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    Default Two subtypes of SLEs-ESTps: which one are you?

    ESTP:

    COORDINATOR (Se subtype, Se-ESTp)

    Description by Meged & Ovcharov:

    Appearance


    Seems clever, impulsive, seemingly concealing within him a latent threat. Far from being easygoing and appeasable. In reality, he can be sharp, sufficiently aggressive, and persistent. Can hold a grudge and be sufficiently resourceful to make the life of his ill-wishers become intolerable. Has a contrasting and unpredictable character. With those whom he loves can be kind, tender, even sentimental. Possesses a sense of humor, that easily molds into sarcasm and caustic irony. Talkative, charming, witty, critical and sharp. Likes epithets and slang expressions. His movements are springy and fast. Gait is somewhat waddling, with knees slightly bent, which yields a stealthy feline semblance. Has a characteristic evaluating gaze with slight squint. Usually looks after his health, periodically takes up physical sport, exercise of gymnastics. Dresses expensively and with taste. Most often he makes a bright impression of a self-assured and prospering person.

    Character

    Insistent, energetic, resolute person. While trying to achieve his goals, he acts both directly and through intermediaries. As a rule, he is capable of becoming the winner. Knows how to manage people, can impose on them his wishes and will, to involve and draw them in by useful and interesting projects and tasks. Knows how to be liked and how to please others: charming, possesses a sense of humor, a good conversationalist. Natural leader: needs competition, struggle, passion, victory, without these his vitality wanes. Boredom is his first enemy. An absence of decent employment and application of his abilities makes him quite a difficult partner.

    He is oriented at achieving major concrete goals, but often runs into difficulty when trying to choose them. It takes time for him to get going, he doubts, thinks things over again. But once he makes a choice, he acts swiftly, amping up his pace and not resting until he has realized the conceived. A very resourceful and flexible tactician. Active and operative, in periods of elation his capacity for work is very high. Doesn't like unasked for advice, prefers to make decisions independently. Can hear out his conversation partner, but leave the last word to himself. Doesn't tolerate commanding tone in others. If someone tries to pressure him, he resolutely counters it. In the interest of his business, shows diplomatic abilities, be considerate and courteous.

    Dislikes it very much when others show initiative that seems to be out of place, for example, try to impose something or hurry others - in this case, can do the opposite. Very self-loving and easily offended, but tries to hide it, considering this to be his weakness. Doesn't forgive tactlessness and injustice towards himself. This can provoke a flash of aggression in him.

    Insightful, witty, has a critical turn of mind. When angry shows intolerance towards other people's shortcomings. Knows how to give a brief and succinct description of a person, to ridicule him in presence of strangers, to put him on the spot. Actively asserts his interests, and those of his loved ones. Can create an unfavorable environment for disagreeable people, but for those whom he loves, he tries to provide the necessary comfort, showing care and attention.

    Feels proud of his successes and seeks high valuation of himself. Has a tendency to overestimate his abilities, which leads to arrogance and a wish to teach others. Self-instilled confidence in his own rightness and insufficient self-criticism do not simplify his relations with others. Respects people who are influential and authoritative. Lenient and forgiving towards those who are compliant, soft and vulnerable, in need of help, especially towards children. Often provides them his protection and support. Nonetheless, he is strict, even harsh both at home and at work.

    Very stubborn and demanding. In personal relationships with difficulty adjusts to his partner, as he is rather uncompromising. Using willpower, can make himself subdue feelings to reason. Proud and independent. It is often unpredictable in his actions, depends on the changes in his mood. Changes his interests and his hobbies often, but his affection tries to keep for a long time. Cherishes old friendships, although he usually doesn't show sentimentality in his relationships.

    Strives towards high material level of life. Has a good aesthetic taste, gourmand, cannot deny himself that which gives him pleasure. Bold in sex, but mistrustful of love, afraid of being deceived in his hopes or to get lost in wishful thinking. Quickly grows tired of monotony: he is attracted by psychological games with a partner, when hope interchanges with doubt - in this lies an element of excitement for him.

    Description by Victor Gulenko:
    Sharp, demonstrative, attacking style of behavior. Can be expressive and expansive to the point of being aggressive. Feels at home in emergency and crisis situations, abruptly joins into conflicts, can apply pressure in order to create order. If he finds himself unoccupied by anything, can even provoke a conflict, so that later he can take initiative into his own hands. Emotional and sociable, with his attention won't pass by a single person of the opposite sex. Women of this type also take initiative in getting to know potential partners. Usually muscular, active and mobile, somewhat thin. Has a well developed taste, a gourmand. In fashion drawn to exquisiteness and prestige.



    ORGANIZER (Ti subtype, Ti-ESTp)

    Description by Meged & Ovcharov:

    Appearance

    Leaves an impression of calm strength and self-assurance. Rational and consistent in his affairs. Hardworking and enduring. Usually he is cold-blooded, restrained, collected and unfazed, but in moments of irritation does not conceal his anger, which shows in his look and in sudden categorical gestures. When he is calm, he is polite and courteous, tough keeps his conversation partners at a distance. His humor is blunt and can be somewhat crude. Sometimes he has a fast moving, distrustful look that looks from under his eyebrows. Appearance is usually serious, somewhat guarded and alert. Gait and gestures are harmonious, flowing, and precise. Dresses somewhat monotonously, and strictly, although at times surprisingly brightly and extravagantly. Values quality in clothing, occasionally putting together sets from only a few items. In most cases has a tendency to not stand out. This applies both to how he behaves and how he dresses. Seems cold and inaccessible, even though he tries to be appropriate, even-tempered and well-wishing towards others. Holds himself with dignity.

    Character

    Balanced and self-controlled. Tries not to lose his composure under any circumstances. Restrained and appropriate in his statements, but at times can flare up. Feels very upset when he has lost his temper in front of other people. Authoritative and serious, has a well-developed sense of self-worth. Prefers to talk about that in which he considers himself competent. Relies on official and trusted source of information. Distrustful of new theories, hypotheses, and assumptions that haven't been tested in practice. Skeptical of the occult and the esoteric.

    This is a person of action and not reflection. When the time comes to react, he orients quickly in the changing circumstances, boldly takes risks, carefully weighting all chances and not losing his interests from sight. Enthusiastically takes up new tasks, projects, or business. Interested in laws and instructions. Can maintain good documentation. If he is asked for advice or a consultation, delves into the details of the issue and gives concrete advice. Predisposes other people towards himself by giving them his attention and providing his services.

    Mobilizes beforehand to overcome obstacles, calculating ahead of time all the risks of current situation. Always has a good sense of the real situation, and knows how to extract benefit from it. Knows how to properly arrange people to carry out a job or assignment. Well perceptive of other people's business acumen and capabilities. However, finds it difficult to evaluate more distant prospects of projects and relationships.

    Grows bored if he doesn't find an application to his abilities, or if he has to finish something he's lost an interest in or that which has no practical interest for him. Only new experiences and impressions and frequent changes in activity raise his vitality.

    Rationalistic, pragmatic, and hard working. Very logical and practical in his activities and in business. Punctual, responsible, demanding of himself and expects the same from others. Looks to quality in everything. Unforgiving of simulation and negligence. Evaluates efficacy not by the efforts expended but by the final outcome. Likes to act boldly, takes big risks, but prepares for it thoroughly and in detail.

    Discerning and sensible, speaks with a confident tone, tries to convince by facts. Very practical, dislikes theories and pointless activities. In contact with strangers via indirect questions assesses their position in society, connections and capabilities. Looks for common ground and ways in which it is possible to come together to solve common business interests. Undemonstrative, but when a chance presents itself likes to emphasize his achievements. Proud, if he has achieved everything in his life by his own effort.

    Authoritarian and possesses a strong will, but, if needed, can demonstrate flexibility in communication, even make temporary concessions for the sake of reaching his ultimate goal. Understands the importance of material and financial incentives, knows how to use them, without losing his own benefit. Shows a friendly, well-wishing attitude towards others, but in work and business requires unity and unanimity.

    Considers restraint in expressing feelings to be a guarantee of their seriousness and reliability. Proud, doesn't impose his company, doesn't know how to entertain guests. Rarely makes compliments even towards women. Lives by his mind and puts business above personal sympathies, due to which may unwittingly offend other people, himself not attaching any importance to this. Afraid of falling into dependency, even on people who are close to him. Quite secretive, doesn't like when others try to "climb into his soul". Can deflect a direct conversation and skillfully place his conversation partner on the spot.

    In his heart, he is a bit guarded, mistrustful and suspecting. Afraid of trickery and betrayal by those whom he trusts. Inclined to fall into pessimism and melancholy. Ponders over his problems, especially of personal nature, tries not to share them with people around him. Opens up his heart and soul only to very close and tested friends. In moments of despair, needs understanding, compassion and consolation, but due to his mistrust he doesn't risk to open up and be honest. Not seldom turns to alcohol to relieve stress and tensions.

    Description by Victor Gulenko:
    Prefers to remain in the shadow, not showing his aspirations, but constantly holds his hand on the pulse of all that is happening around him. Outwardly appears balanced and phlegmatic. Before acting, checks all the variations of possible consequences, and only then enters into the game. Distrustful, careful, skeptic, conservative and realistic. Due to his low sociability makes an impression of being introverted. Once he has identified a target, acts slowly, by the method of "slowly compressing ring".


    I think those subtypes are much better than the subtypes described by Gulenko.

    By this token I'd be a Se one more than a Ti, although it also depends on the environment: in comparison to the ESTps I know @ university, I'm a Se subtype, but in comparison to the ghetto ESTps, I'm super Ti.
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    From this Daniel is both depending on his environment. He often seems to change depending on the company. For instance with me or my family he acts very , with his dad or his friends he's very
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    i think i'm more of the subtype. certain characteristics of the subtype also fit. i dunno i guess it depends on who i'm with. when i really let go of myself i'm clearly . but in general i try to keep a appearance so people won't flee from me. when confronted with my more demeanour, some people find me too loud for their tastes but i just think they're pussy. :wink:

    i get that mostly from the gamma IRL and sometimes delta. "what happen to the guy i used to know " or (my fav) "stay as you were yesterday". honorable mentions: "you've changed"; "you two-faced bastard"; "you rat"; "people are so much nicer when you first meet them... ".

    i think growing up in a mostly gamma environment forced me to maybe tone down my personality, doubt myself and my own judgements. when i was 20 i broke out and was forever changed. yeah, maybe i'm more of the black sensing kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyburger
    From this Daniel is both depending on his environment. He often seems to change depending on the company. For instance with me or my family he acts very , with his dad or his friends he's very
    I act much more creative function around my family as well... but more so with people I do not feel very connected too.

    Is that how he is?
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    ESTp Subtypes


    Sensory subtype: (The Coordinator)

    (Valentine Meged & Anatoly Ovcharov) The sensory subtype is witty and impulsive… while seemingly concealing within them latent threats they appear unappeasable. However, they are sharp, aggressive and persevering people. Notably resourceful, they are able to manifest vindictiveness in doses that make life for their ill-wishers simply intolerable. Their character appears full of contrasts and unpredictability. Towards those whom they love they are often tender, even sentimental. Their sense of humor easily incorporates sarcasm and caustic irony. Are talkative, charming, witty, critical and sharp, love epithets and slang expressions. Their movements are fast and gait centered, When walking their slightly bent knees provide them with an ingratiating feline resemblance. Appreciate life and tend to watch over their health, periodically exercising through sports/gymnastics. Dresses tastefully and expensively. Usually provide a bright impression of a self-assured and prospering person.

    (Victor Gulenko) Sharp, demonstrative, attacking style of behaviour. Expressive and expansive to the point of being aggressive. Feels at home in emergencies; find themselves in conflicts; can pressure people in order to rapidly introduce order. If conflicts do not occur, they can provoke some in order to then take the initiative into their own hands. Emotional and sociable, will want the attention of more than one person of the opposite sex. Women also display initiative in their acquaintances with men. This subtype is sinewy, mobile, often thin, has a well developed taste, is an epicure. In fashion are drawn to refinement and prestige.

    (Sexual behaviour) Demonstrative and behave unpredictably. Are sexually daring and energetic; animated in interaction and possessing feelings of humor. Are sexual and diverse in both moods and erotic reactions. Strongly emotional, are inclined to ignore the feelings and attitudes of other people and to consider their interests. An imperious and demanding partner, but can be thoughtful and affectionate. Find it difficult to restrain jealousy. Require an attentive, loyal, and reliable partner, whom will remain utterly submissive to their initiative.










    Logical subtype: (The Organizer)

    (Valentine Meged & Anatoly Ovcharov) The logical subtype constructs an impression of quite force and confidence for themselves. They are rational and sequential in affairs; hardworking and hardy. Usually appear cool, sustained and collected, however, in moments of irritation they express their fury in demonstratively sharp, absolute gestures. Within a quiet atmosphere they are kind and polite, while keeping the interlocutor at a distance. Their humor is sharp, sometimes rude, and they bare a quick, mistrustful glare from under their eyebrows. They’re kind but also serious and guarded. Their gait and gestures appear harmonious, smooth and precise. Tends to dress rather monotonously, however, from time to time can also clothe themselves brightly, even extravagantly. Appreciate quality in apparel and often creates many outfits from a few articles. Thus they show concern for both their behaviour and appearance; though they often seem cold and inaccessible they themselves try to appear proper, equal and benevolent, while maintaining their advantages.

    (Victor Gulenko) Prefer to remain in the shadows, not to demonstrate their aspirations, but constantly hold their hands on the pulse of all proceedings around them. Outwardly appears balanced and phlegmatic. Before acting, checks all versions of possible consequences and only then enters into the game. Distrustful and careful, skeptic, conservative and realistic. Because they are not very sociable, may appear to be introverted. If they have their aim on a victim, they act slowly, by the method of the "compressive ring".

    (Sexual behaviour) Tend to occupy a “wait and see attitude” as they are prone to doubt others feelings towards them. Their emotional expression may appear somewhat forced as they prefer to await the initiative of others; afterwards are tender and attentive with an aim of improving sexual techniques. Internally are sentimental; love uncommon adventures. Not quick to forget past offences. Have need of someone reasonable, flexible and diplomatic. Their partner should be affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.
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    according to the above description my ex would be a Ti organizer subtype. he is definitely initally quiet and watches the dynamics so he can ascertain the power base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy
    According to the descriptions that Misutii gave, I'm much more of a logical subtype.
    bullshit

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    Default Re: ESTps: which subtype of those two are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    By this token I'd be a Se one more than a Ti, although it also depends on the environment: in comparison to the ESTps I know @ university, I'm a Se subtype, but in comparison to the ghetto ESTps, I'm super Ti.
    I agree; I know I can be seen as both in different situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy
    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    Quote Originally Posted by Herzy
    According to the descriptions that Misutii gave, I'm much more of a logical subtype.
    bullshit
    You know, because you've met me IRL and everything. You must have a crystal clear picture of my personality patterns etched into your grey matter, because of all those intimate conversations we've had IRL. I don't know a single person who knows me better than you. Congratulations, dipshit.
    lol my ex used to say dipshit all the time too

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    Default SLE-Ti

    Edit: What is this type like? How would I recognize them? Do you guys know any celebrity examples or could you please post some pictures for VI purposes? Also does this type display hidden aganda differently than the Se subtype? If so, how?

    Thank you : )
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    Are they "goal oriented"? Would they be likely to set a goal in their career, or getting a girl/or guy, or getting some material thing like a specific car or house, and then telling people "I am going to do this thing" . . . and then doing it?

    Se types I have known seem less inclined to formally set goals, but maybe Ti is not the same.
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    um.... i dont know.. maybe a bit more strategic.. but it could be taken that Se subs are just as strategic in that they are able to act on weaknesses they see very well.

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    Ti is more like the ESTp description in the Articles forum. Phlegmatic enough to be (initially) mistaken for an introverted judger; truly the ISTj's mirror.

    Se is more like the ESTp description on socionics.com.

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    Oh - I found another - Maybe this one?

    http://oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=9...1cbc6d67266992

    In their struggles SLE will never yield initiative. If necessary they will wait for the proper moment to act and will never forsake the opportunity at hand. Their influence is governed by their power, often they don’t think, to themselves of other [strange] ways to solve problems. Acting with pressure they do not submit themselves to the success of a common cause but rather are capable of entirely taking the responsibility of leadership amongst themselves. They are inflexible and rigid in conducting other people towards the execution of activities/problems. Decisively they manifest their interest in work and are not tormented or distracted by pangs in their consciousness, even if, for the achievement of their goals, they must pinch, punish or offend someone. When that, which they desire, is impossible to reach quickly and directly, they seek alternate routes and without fail tend to attain one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    what, like lokivanguard? like mario? I don't understand
    Iam wondering in real life what the SLE-Ti type acts like, looks like, and how they present their hidden agenda. I think I can recognize the Se subtype, but am not sure I would recognize Ti if I was faced with them.

    Maybe, if someone could tell me how they differ from the Se-subtype I would have something to compare them to. . .?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cudcat View Post
    Thanks. Who would be considered Ti?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy B View Post
    Iam wondering in real life what the SLE-Ti type acts like, looks like, and how they present their hidden agenda. I think I can recognize the Se subtype, but am not sure I would recognize Ti if I was faced with them.

    Maybe, if someone could tell me how they differ from the Se-subtype I would have something to compare them to. . .?
    Right, evidently no one who has posted here has given satisfactory descriptions for a Ti subtype and for a Se subtype. They're useless turds. Fabio amongst others have posted subtype descriptions for the SLE before. Here's a link to the thread about SLE subtypes.

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    why are you showing sergei ganin's bullshit? nearly all of these are wrong.
    Are you referring to socionics.com (owned by Ganin), in which case you're provided the wrong link or to socionics.us (owned by Rick), in which case you're slagging off Rick, not Ganin?

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    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ead.php?t=7322


    Sensory- logical ekstravert: LEADER
    Appearance SLE is very diverse. This type of personality is not always simple for visual diagnostics as type Eie. It is possible to isolate these common features:
    Cold, evaluating view, sufficiently tenacious, entire noticing, but with the light haze or the languishing eyes, which imparts to it at times the expression of innocence, romanticism or pensiveness. Smile SLE does not always correspond to the expression of eyes; therefore it can appear stretched. Most frequently it smiles on the specific occasion, but not in order to arrange to itself.
    Motions well coordinated, harmonious, although somewhat irregular can be. Gait usually is smooth, is confident, is flexible, "cat". It is noticeable that man cans himself tax, to emphasize the merits of its body. SLE knows how to easily bear its body, even having significant weight. It dresses, as a rule, with the taste, it loves expensive, rare things. Style on each day of business or sport.
    If in a good mood - it is weakened and oars. In the poor mood of lip they are compressed, view sullenly. Poses moderately flattened, gestures important-looking, willingly demonstrates force and confidence in itself. It is time it is impatient, with the unexpected drops in the mood: first it is impulsive and cuttings, then it is ironic and affectionate with the notes of intimacy in the voice.

    COORDINATOR
    Sensory subtype seems by person ingenious, impulsive, who conceals the concealed threat and by no means reasonable. In actuality it is sharp, sufficiently aggressive and persistent. It can be rancorous and it is sufficient to resourceful in order to make life of the svikh ill-wishers of that of simply not tolerated. Has a nature contrasting and unpredictable. With those, whom it loves, it is periodically is very affectionate and even it is sentimental. It possesses such feeling of humor, which easily passes into the sarcasm or the caustic irony. Is talkative, obayatelen, it is ingenious, critical and cuttings, it loves epithets and slang expressions. Its motions are elastic and rapid, gait only waddle, elbows are slightly bent with walking, which gives cat ingratiating tones to it. Is characteristic the evaluating view with light prishchurom. Usually it follows its health, it is periodically occupied by sport or gymnastics. It dresses dearly and with the taste. The bright impression of confident in itself, flourishing person usually is produced.

    ORGANIZER
    Logical subtype leaves the impression of calm force and confidence in itself. It is rational and sequential in the matters. It is industrious and hardy. It is usually cold-blooded, sustained and imperturbable, but into the minutes of irritation it does not hide its fury, which is manifested in the view and the sharp, categorical gestures. In the calm state it is polite, amiable, although it holds collocutor on a certain distance. Its humor of cuttings is rather rough. In it there is rapid, distrustful view from under the eyebrows. Form usually is serious, is alerted. Gait and gestures are harmonious, are smooth and are clear. Somewhat monotonous dresses, and it is strict, although with the times of unexpectedly thrust or it is extravagant. It values qualitative clothing, rarely creating ensembles from a few things. In the majority of the cases it has a tendency too not to be separated. This relates both to the behavior and to the clothing. It seems cold and inaccessible, although he tries to be correct, flat and benevolent. It is held with the merit.
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    Default SLE-Ti subtype romantic behaviour

    This is probably Gulenko, but I don't know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wikisocion
    (Sexual behaviour) Tend to occupy a “wait and see attitude” as they are prone to doubt others feelings towards them. Their emotional expression may appear somewhat forced as they prefer to await the initiative of others; afterwards are tender and attentive with an aim of improving sexual techniques. Internally are sentimental; love uncommon adventures. Not quick to forget past offences. Have need of someone reasonable, flexible and diplomatic. Their partner should be affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.
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    Sounds like Victim to me. Thoughts from Aggressors and Victims alike?

    Herzy, as an SLE-Ti, what do you reckon? Does this sound like you?

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    Yeah, neither of those seems quite right to me, either.
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    It makes sense if you've ever seen their interactions with Fe-IEI.
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    Sensory subtype (The Coordinator)

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    Sharp, demonstrative, attacking style of behaviour. Expressive and expansive to the point of being aggressive. Feels at home in emergencies; find themselves in conflicts; can pressure people in order to rapidly introduce order. If conflicts do not occur, they can provoke some in order to then take the initiative into their own hands. Emotional and sociable, will want the attention of more than one person of the opposite sex. Women also display initiative in their acquaintances with men. This subtype is sinewy, mobile, often thin, has a well developed taste, is an epicure. In fashion are drawn to refinement and prestige.
    Meged/Ovcharov

    The sensory subtype is witty and impulsive… while seemingly concealing within them latent threats they appear unappeasable. However, they are sharp, aggressive and persevering people. Notably resourceful, they are able to manifest vindictiveness in doses that make life for their ill-wishers simply intolerable. Their character appears full of contrasts and unpredictability. Towards those whom they love they are often tender, even sentimental. Their sense of humor easily incorporates sarcasm and caustic irony. Are talkative, charming, witty, critical and sharp, love epithets and slang expressions. Their movements are fast and gait centered, When walking their slightly bent knees provide them with an ingratiating feline resemblance. Appreciate life and tend to watch over their health, periodically exercising through sports/gymnastics. Dresses tastefully and expensively. Usually provide a bright impression of a self-assured and prospering person.
    Sexual behavior

    Demonstrative and behave unpredictably. Are sexually daring and energetic; animated in interaction and possessing feelings of humor. Are sexual and diverse in both moods and erotic reactions. Strongly emotional, are inclined to ignore the feelings and attitudes of other people and to consider their interests. An imperious and demanding partner, but can be thoughtful and affectionate. Find it difficult to restrain jealousy. Require an attentive, loyal, and reliable partner, whom will remain utterly submissive to their initiative.
    Logical subtype (The Organizer)

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    Prefer to remain in the shadows, not to demonstrate their aspirations, but constantly hold their hands on the pulse of all proceedings around them. Outwardly appears balanced and phlegmatic. Before acting, checks all versions of possible consequences and only then enters into the game. Distrustful and careful, skeptic, conservative and realistic. Because they are not very sociable, may appear to be introverted. If they have their aim on a victim, they act slowly, by the method of the "compressive ring".
    Meged/Ovcharov

    The logical subtype constructs an impression of quiet force and confidence for themselves. They are rational and sequential in affairs; hardworking and hardy. Usually appear cool, sustained and collected, however, in moments of irritation they express their fury in demonstratively sharp, absolute gestures. Within a quiet atmosphere they are kind and polite, while keeping the interlocutor at a distance. Their humor is sharp, sometimes rude, and they bare a quick, mistrustful glare from under their eyebrows. They’re kind but also serious and guarded. Their gait and gestures appear harmonious, smooth and precise. Tends to dress rather monotonously, however, from time to time can also clothe themselves brightly, even extravagantly. Appreciate quality in apparel and often creates many outfits from a few articles. Thus they show concern for both their behaviour and appearance; though they often seem cold and inaccessible they themselves try to appear proper, equal and benevolent, while maintaining their advantages.
    Sexual behavior

    Tend to occupy a “wait and see attitude” as they are prone to doubt others feelings towards them. Their emotional expression may appear somewhat forced as they prefer to await the initiative of others; afterwards are tender and attentive with an aim of improving sexual techniques. Internally are sentimental; love uncommon adventures. Not quick to forget past offences. Have need of someone reasonable, flexible and diplomatic. Their partner should be affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.
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    Those hacked together descriptions don't really do much. Practical examples would be more helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Se subtypes are generally more awesome; but you know, that's just based on my opinion.



    everything. The second paragraph is especially accurate.
    I agree would agree with you because I think* my brother Ti-ESTp i think? He uses his logic that only makes sense to him but doesn't really make sense to anyone else. I argue with him and the discussions are really really silly. Really waste my time, i wonder what Se-ESTP's are like?
    Edit*: I thought Ti-SLE's were supposed to be smartasses, maybe it's just my bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Se subtypes are generally more awesome; but you know, that's just based on my opinion.
    Maybe this is a clue that you might be the Ni-subtype. Dualisation probably works better with SLE-Se + IEI-Ni respectively SLE-Ti + IEI-Fe.
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    I know this isn't an enneagram thread, but what are the enneagram types that usually fall under each SLE subtype (that might help to differentiate them)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I think so too.

    Johnny Knoxville is a good example of a Se - SLE, imo.

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    I believe Chelsea is SLE too. Not sure what subtype.

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    Thanks, Starfall! That's helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Johnny Knoxville is a good example of a Se - SLE, imo.
    I think Knoxville is Se-ESFp. I don't see any Ti/Fe, but I see plenty of Fi.

    Here are some good examples, imo, of ESTp subtypes: Se-ESTp - Ti-ESTp

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    Weird, you guys have liked ILE-Ti's? I've never been romantically interested, or just interested, in an ILE. With SEEs though.. I love SEEs, they're so fun and happy, lol

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    ^which subtype are you?

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    umm.... Probably Ni subtype?
    Some parts of the Fe description on wikisocion fit me but.. Overall probably Ni > Fe.
    Also get along better with the Se subtypes of SLE and SEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    umm.... Probably Ni subtype?
    Some parts of the Fe description on wikisocion fit me but.. Overall probably Ni > Fe.
    Also get along better with the Se subtypes of SLE and SEE.
    *decides to become Se-subtype just for Jenna *
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    just curious, since i'm not really good in distinguishing the different subtypes in SLEs. i type brian austin green SLE (and i think he is a rather obvious one). is he Se or Ti sub (or something in between)? just that i have something as a reference point.



    with some SLEs i notice the duality effect right away (because their presence is energizing) while others i don't really notice any effect even after prolonged interaction and i wonder whether this could be subtype related. (maybe it's something else)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    just curious, since i'm not really good in distinguishing the different subtypes in SLEs. i type brian austin green SLE (and i think he is a rather obvious one). is he Se or Ti sub (or something in between)? just that i have something as a reference point.



    with some SLEs i notice the duality effect right away (because their presence is energizing) while others i don't really notice any effect even after prolonged interaction and i wonder whether this could be subtype related. (maybe it's something else)
    So watched this twice and it looks as though Green is responding favorably towards the Fe from the TMZ blushing/ gushing interviewer. More laid back Ti subs are said to be.

    edit: Ti sub for this guy was what I meant to say. Ti subs want more Fe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    just curious, since i'm not really good in distinguishing the different subtypes in SLEs. i type brian austin green SLE (and i think he is a rather obvious one). is he Se or Ti sub (or something in between)? just that i have something as a reference point.

    with some SLEs i notice the duality effect right away (because their presence is energizing) while others i don't really notice any effect even after prolonged interaction and i wonder whether this could be subtype related. (maybe it's something else)
    He looks much more similar to the Ti-sub SLE composite than the Se-sub. Ti-subs have this cool, steely look in their eyes that to me looks a little bit mean. Se-subs look much warmer due to having stronger Fe HA, and somehow unpredictable. Se-subs will sometimes give you this static stare like they are trying to figure you out but are having some trouble with this. I find Ti-subs to be more composed, reserved, and self-directed in conversation, and very set in their opinions, and Se-subs to be more spontaneous and really really quick when they are up to something.

    He's also likely syn-flow 6w7. His mannerisms and how he holds himself reminded me of these SLE-6w7 and SLI-6w7 guys I've been acquainted with.




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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    He looks much more similar to the Ti-sub SLE composite than the Se-sub. Ti-subs have this cool, steely look in their eyes that to me looks a little bit mean. Se-subs look much warmer due to having stronger Fe HA, and somehow unpredictable. Se-subs will sometimes give you this static stare like they are trying to figure you out but are having some trouble with this. I find Ti-subs to be more composed, reserved, and self-directed in conversation, and very set in their opinions, and Se-subs to be more spontaneous and really really quick when they are up to something.
    the face composites are very helpful. thank you! i'm inclined to type the SLEs i'm more likely to interact with and have better chemistry as Ti-sub in that case. i recognize that 'cool, steely' look. however, this doesn't really match up with the subtype descriptions i have read ( http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t...ESTp/subtypes/ ). the Ti-sub description could easily apply, but they are described as "cool, sustained and collected" and "often seem cold and inaccessible", and that is definitely true, but only when there's no Fe-type around to lighten up the atmosphere, otherwise the SLEs i have mostly interacted with could easily resemble the Se-sub description as well. (unpredictable, warm, spontaneous) and not serious in the slightest. i wonder whether the boundaries between subtypes are just as blurry as they appear to me, or whether this might be because they are oriented towards the interaction style/emotional atmosphere of an IEI-Fe which messes up my perception.

    "The ethical subtype makes an impression of a soft, charming and emotional person. Usually looks inspired and optimistic. Possess a fine sense of humor. May talk of his problems and failures with a smile. Ironic, crafty, unpredictable and inconsistent in behavior and conversation. Creates original contrasts, can unexpectedly jab at someone and then just as quickly embrace and kiss his conversation partner. Artistic and charming; unconstrained in conversation, occasionally even with shades of familiarity and impudence. Knows how to bridge the distance."

    another thing which adds to the confusion that exactly the SLEs i've met who apparently are "in moments of despair, in need of understanding, sympathy and consolation, but because of the distrust is often not decided to be frank. Quite secretive, does not like him "climb into the soul" can avoid a direct conversation, skilfully put a person on location" (from the Ti-sub description. is that different in Se-subs?) seem to hunt literally after the slightest semblance of an opportunity to talk about their (emotional) problems and struggles . (or is that just mirroring an IEI-Fe who "Readily shares his problems with others, seeking their sympathy, understanding, and support.") the Se-sub description doesn't mention anything in regards to that. do they have different (emotional) needs?
    i've been interacting with an SLE every once in a while this year, and was always inclined to type him Ti-sub, but now i wonder about that too. he could be Se-sub after all...


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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    the face composites are very helpful. thank you! i'm inclined to type the SLEs i'm more likely to interact with and have better chemistry as Ti-sub in that case. i recognize that 'cool, steely' look. however, this doesn't really match up with the subtype descriptions i have read ( http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t...ESTp/subtypes/ ). the Ti-sub description could easily apply, but they are described as "cool, sustained and collected" and "often seem cold and inaccessible", and that is definitely true, but only when there's no Fe-type around to lighten up the atmosphere, otherwise the SLEs i have mostly interacted with could easily resemble the Se-sub description as well. (unpredictable, warm, spontaneous) and not serious in the slightest. i wonder whether the boundaries between subtypes are just as blurry as they appear to me, or whether this might be because they are oriented towards the interaction style/emotional atmosphere of an IEI-Fe which messes up my perception.
    I think what you mean are the "contact/inert" subtype differences. I didn't really understand what you referring to until a bit a later. The Ti-SLE is a contact subtype so yeah those guys are going to come across as being more "engaged" and needing the give-and-take in interaction - which, in combination with the social instinct, could come across as accentuated Fe. There is a little bit of difference that I've observed with the Se-subtypes: the Se-SLEs are either full head on, just like a train - there is just a kind of massiveness about it - or they retreat and have some quiet time to themselves to think about things. Being an "inert" subtype that sort of a difference makes sense, since inert subtypes have some difficulties integrating situational give-and-take due to weakened creative function, while creative function subtype will become much more responsive in these situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    "The ethical subtype makes an impression of a soft, charming and emotional person. Usually looks inspired and optimistic. Possess a fine sense of humor. May talk of his problems and failures with a smile. Ironic, crafty, unpredictable and inconsistent in behavior and conversation. Creates original contrasts, can unexpectedly jab at someone and then just as quickly embrace and kiss his conversation partner. Artistic and charming; unconstrained in conversation, occasionally even with shades of familiarity and impudence. Knows how to bridge the distance."

    another thing which adds to the confusion that exactly the SLEs i've met who apparently are "in moments of despair, in need of understanding, sympathy and consolation, but because of the distrust is often not decided to be frank. Quite secretive, does not like him "climb into the soul" can avoid a direct conversation, skilfully put a person on location" (from the Ti-sub description. is that different in Se-subs?) seem to hunt literally after the slightest semblance of an opportunity to talk about their (emotional) problems and struggles . (or is that just mirroring an IEI-Fe who "Readily shares his problems with others, seeking their sympathy, understanding, and support.") the Se-sub description doesn't mention anything in regards to that. do they have different (emotional) needs?
    i've been interacting with an SLE every once in a while this year, and was always inclined to type him Ti-sub, but now i wonder about that too. he could be Se-sub after all...
    IME the Ti-subtypes waits for you to poke around and show off their Fe/Fi problems at every turn, and might speak in riddles, and that coincides with IEI-Fe being a "contact" subtype and an instigator. The Se-SLE subtypes seem calm and stable - until that moment when they break down about their situation which requires an almost immediate and very strong emotional response. I'm much more comfortable providing the later which is how I've figured that I'm a Ni/inert-subtype.

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