i love Michelle Rodriguez too, go figure
IEI's never get the feeling SLE's try too hard at being "badass"? I don't know, maybe they think it's cute but it's so obvious and kinda sad to me and makes me cringe sometimes. Sorry for hating on your dual lol.
lol numbers you're cute.
IEI-Fe 4w3
yes, definitely. depending on the person and how they go about it, it can look really overcompensatory and pathetic. some Beta NF males turn me off for this reason, trying way too hard to look like tough guys when they're really just being pathetic assholes. i guess it might be unhealthy ones who are more likely to do this..
i'm glad you don't do that Numbers, lol.
I am happy that both of you guys stick up for a loser like me. Yes I am not the toughest soul out there but its these support that gives a loser like me with inner strength to stand up to injustice in this world and whole hearty fuel me and to forever cheer for the under-dog.
I'm not convinced subtypes are credible yet. I've read up on (wikisocion), the SLE one fits with those I have been involved/ attracted too, rather well. Strange.. i think i experience semi-duality more with ILE-Ti's than SEE's. I just can't decide which subtype I fit.
Weird, you guys have liked ILE-Ti's? I've never been romantically interested, or just interested, in an ILE. With SEEs though.. I love SEEs, they're so fun and happy, lol
^which subtype are you?
umm.... Probably Ni subtype?
Some parts of the Fe description on wikisocion fit me but.. Overall probably Ni > Fe.
Also get along better with the Se subtypes of SLE and SEE.
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
Originally Posted by Abbie
They both don't do well with taking directions from anyone else.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
just curious, since i'm not really good in distinguishing the different subtypes in SLEs. i type brian austin green SLE (and i think he is a rather obvious one). is he Se or Ti sub (or something in between)? just that i have something as a reference point.
with some SLEs i notice the duality effect right away (because their presence is energizing) while others i don't really notice any effect even after prolonged interaction and i wonder whether this could be subtype related. (maybe it's something else)
That interviewer is fucking retarded.
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He looks much more similar to the Ti-sub SLE composite than the Se-sub. Ti-subs have this cool, steely look in their eyes that to me looks a little bit mean. Se-subs look much warmer due to having stronger Fe HA, and somehow unpredictable. Se-subs will sometimes give you this static stare like they are trying to figure you out but are having some trouble with this. I find Ti-subs to be more composed, reserved, and self-directed in conversation, and very set in their opinions, and Se-subs to be more spontaneous and really really quick when they are up to something.
He's also likely syn-flow 6w7. His mannerisms and how he holds himself reminded me of these SLE-6w7 and SLI-6w7 guys I've been acquainted with.
Ti-SLE
Se-SLE
https://www.pinterest.com/socionixga...-sle-iei-eie-/
So this little clips has got a Ti-SLE woman who is totally mobilized, mobilizing herself really via an effusive Se boundary cross when she hugs the interviewer in his lap. These are types that can give energy to the surrounding world. She has the hard eyes silke was talking about.
the face composites are very helpful. thank you! i'm inclined to type the SLEs i'm more likely to interact with and have better chemistry as Ti-sub in that case. i recognize that 'cool, steely' look. however, this doesn't really match up with the subtype descriptions i have read ( http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t...ESTp/subtypes/ ). the Ti-sub description could easily apply, but they are described as "cool, sustained and collected" and "often seem cold and inaccessible", and that is definitely true, but only when there's no Fe-type around to lighten up the atmosphere, otherwise the SLEs i have mostly interacted with could easily resemble the Se-sub description as well. (unpredictable, warm, spontaneous) and not serious in the slightest. i wonder whether the boundaries between subtypes are just as blurry as they appear to me, or whether this might be because they are oriented towards the interaction style/emotional atmosphere of an IEI-Fe which messes up my perception.
"The ethical subtype makes an impression of a soft, charming and emotional person. Usually looks inspired and optimistic. Possess a fine sense of humor. May talk of his problems and failures with a smile. Ironic, crafty, unpredictable and inconsistent in behavior and conversation. Creates original contrasts, can unexpectedly jab at someone and then just as quickly embrace and kiss his conversation partner. Artistic and charming; unconstrained in conversation, occasionally even with shades of familiarity and impudence. Knows how to bridge the distance."
another thing which adds to the confusion that exactly the SLEs i've met who apparently are "in moments of despair, in need of understanding, sympathy and consolation, but because of the distrust is often not decided to be frank. Quite secretive, does not like him "climb into the soul" can avoid a direct conversation, skilfully put a person on location" (from the Ti-sub description. is that different in Se-subs?) seem to hunt literally after the slightest semblance of an opportunity to talk about their (emotional) problems and struggles . (or is that just mirroring an IEI-Fe who "Readily shares his problems with others, seeking their sympathy, understanding, and support.") the Se-sub description doesn't mention anything in regards to that. do they have different (emotional) needs?
i've been interacting with an SLE every once in a while this year, and was always inclined to type him Ti-sub, but now i wonder about that too. he could be Se-sub after all...
I think what you mean are the "contact/inert" subtype differences. I didn't really understand what you referring to until a bit a later. The Ti-SLE is a contact subtype so yeah those guys are going to come across as being more "engaged" and needing the give-and-take in interaction - which, in combination with the social instinct, could come across as accentuated Fe. There is a little bit of difference that I've observed with the Se-subtypes: the Se-SLEs are either full head on, just like a train - there is just a kind of massiveness about it - or they retreat and have some quiet time to themselves to think about things. Being an "inert" subtype that sort of a difference makes sense, since inert subtypes have some difficulties integrating situational give-and-take due to weakened creative function, while creative function subtype will become much more responsive in these situations.
IME the Ti-subtypes waits for you to poke around and show off their Fe/Fi problems at every turn, and might speak in riddles, and that coincides with IEI-Fe being a "contact" subtype and an instigator. The Se-SLE subtypes seem calm and stable - until that moment when they break down about their situation which requires an almost immediate and very strong emotional response. I'm much more comfortable providing the later which is how I've figured that I'm a Ni/inert-subtype.
Old thread, but these descriptions were great, I identify 100% with the SLE-Ti description in the first post. That 4D Te really can make us look superficially like Te-users but there's a big difference in temperament and motivations.
What, you don't believe in subtypes or just not inert/contact subtypes?
silke had some good observations too, they describe well how my current SLE boss and I differ despite being the same type. Se subtype is more energetic and more concerned about appearances. Probably part of the reason why he's the department manager with people and sales focus and I'm a technical team lead with technological focus.
Regarding the "wait and see"-attitude, I admit to behaving like that in relationships that I care about. Very paranoid about people liking or not liking me and need to gather a lot of evidence before trusting any such feelings.