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[Ezra]

What an absolute legend.

Whoever suggested my being an ENFp is gravely mistaken, by the way.

[eunice]

he is so not funny

and kind of nutty as well.

[meatburger]

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[Animal]

Make him stop?

[Ezra]

Make him stop?

[raisonpure]

My stomach hurts from laughing

Michael J Fox leaped into my mind. Ne subtype fits.

[Slacker]

ROFL he's hilarious. I think ENFp.

[Ms. Kensington]

Why do people think ENFp?

honestly I think ENFps are even more spazzy than that.

So we have one Ti vote, the rest are Ne votes?

Do you think ENFp Fi subtype seem like ENTp Ti subtype?

I've been wondering forever which ENTp subtype is which.

raison: michael J fox? Hm never considered that.

[discojoe]

ENFp Ni subtype

[raisonpure]

raison: michael J fox? Hm never considered that.

Yes, it's like looking right at him. Same vibe, even.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo[/youtube]

[eunice]

I agree with ENFp subtype as well, although I find him a little too.....exaggerating and effervescent to the point of irritation. I see the correlation of him with Michael J. Fox, except that Fox presented himself more naturally.

[Ms. Kensington]

hm. I think they look similar physically but not the same type? I will watch it with sound later.

so why enfp? btw, might it be that an NeFi person finds an NeTi person irritating, as an Ne Ti person like myself finds an Ne Fi person irritating?

[Steve]

hm. I think they look similar physically but not the same type.

so why enfp? btw, might it be that an NeFi person finds an NeTi person irritating, as an Ne Ti person like myself finds an Ne Fi person irritating?

I agree they look similarly but are not the same type. The guy in the video is ENTp-Ti, but one with prolly more 7-enneagram tendencies (whether wing or base), whereas an ENTp-Ti such as myself has more 5-ish tendencies (prolly 5 wing), which is why I would come across a bit differently than him, but yet we're both ENTp-Tis.

And for future reference on differentiating ENTps from ENFps, remember: ENTPS USE FE. ENFps do not.

[Expat]

I agree with Steve.

Also, was that an Alpha or a Delta thing to do? Alpha.

[Ms. Kensington]

And for future reference on differentiating ENTps from ENFps, remember: ENTPS USE FE. ENFps do not.

exactly. You can't tell from just that one video, but I think it's obvious-er with more info. But I'm pleased you picked it up from that one.

[Slacker]

Of course ENFps use Fe. Why on earth would you think ENFps don't use Fe?

[Logos]

Of course ENFps use Fe. Why on earth would you think ENFps don't use Fe?

"Of course INTjs use Ni. Why on earth would you think INTjs don't use Ni?" This is what you statement sounds like. Kind of like something mikemex would say, incidentally enough. With that sort of logic, every expression of any function will indicate an ENFp.

Answer: It is not that they do not use Fe, it is because they use it differently from those who have it as a Quadra function. :wink:

[Ms. Kensington]

the life of an INTj is made difficult because they pay attention to words without context normally, so when we're editing so many convos in real life we can sometimes get sloppy in our choices. So, I actually thought "someone might say yes they do use Fe" but I didn't correct it, sorry.

I meant that it's an area where ENFps will different from ENTps.

[discojoe]

Yeah, I can see the guy as ENTp now. I was mistaking Fe for Fi, because he reminds me of a really sensitive ENTp who would cry all the time and who wasn't that smart.

Of course ENFps use Fe. Why on earth would you think ENFps don't use Fe?

"Of course INTjs use Ni. Why on earth would you think INTjs don't use Ni?" This is what you statement sounds like. Kind of like something mikemex would say, incidentally enough. With that sort of logic, every expression of any function will indicate an ENFp.

Answer: It is not that they do not use Fe, it is because they use it differently from those who have it as a Quadra function. :wink:

So, you take what people say out of context and then apply logical criticism?

What she was saying is that in her experience ENFps use plenty of Fe. Now, assuming she's watched the video, that statement would apply to the guy in question, meaning she was arguing against making a ENTp/ENFp distinction based on the Fe in the video.

So your critique is inapplicable. :wink: Though I guess you need social skills to actually see what someone is trying to say.

[Logos]

Of course ENFps use Fe. Why on earth would you think ENFps don't use Fe?

"Of course INTjs use Ni. Why on earth would you think INTjs don't use Ni?" This is what you statement sounds like. Kind of like something mikemex would say, incidentally enough. With that sort of logic, every expression of any function will indicate an ENFp.

Answer: It is not that they do not use Fe, it is because they use it differently from those who have it as a Quadra function. :wink:

So, you take what people say out of context and then apply logical criticism?

What she was saying is that in her experience ENFps use plenty of Fe. Now, assuming she's watched the video, that statement would apply to the guy in question, meaning she was arguing against making a ENTp/ENFp distinction based on the Fe in the video.

So your critique is inapplicable. :wink: Though I guess you need social skills to actually see what someone is trying to say.

I understood what she was saying, and what I said was in context of what she said. So your critique is inapplicable. See how easy it is to dismiss someone? :wink:

[Slacker]

Discojoe is right about what I meant. I don't think use of Fe is anything to base his type on. The only reason I think he's ENFp > ENTp is because he's obviously an type, and I didn't see anything in the video that would indicate , and I'm pretty hypersensitive to so it seems like I would have seen it. I wouldn't necessarily notice as much. I wish people would discuss whether he is showing a preference of one of those two functions, or a PoLR of one of them, because I don't see anything that would strongly indicate either, and that seems like the best way to establish type in this case. It seems like people are thinking that Alphas are more likely to make jokes about computers? Or Alphas are more likely to be computer geeks? Is that what it is? I can't see anything else that clearly indicates one over the other. I only watched it once - maybe someone noticed some preference I didn't notice?

[Gilly]

IEEs DEFINITELY use Fe. DEFINITELY.

[Logos]

Discojoe is right about what I meant. I don't think use of Fe is anything to base his type on. The only reason I think he's ENFp > ENTp is because he's obviously an type, and I didn't see anything in the video that would indicate , and I'm pretty hypersensitive to so it seems like I would have seen it. I wouldn't necessarily notice as much. I wish people would discuss whether he is showing a preference of one of those two functions, or a PoLR of one of them, because I don't see anything that would strongly indicate either, and that seems like the best way to establish type in this case. It seems like people are thinking that Alphas are more likely to make jokes about computers? Or Alphas are more likely to be computer geeks? Is that what it is? I can't see anything else that clearly indicates one over the other. I only watched it once - maybe someone noticed some preference I didn't notice?

Try his entire line of logic by which he decided his screen name.

IEEs DEFINITELY use Fe. DEFINITELY.

I never said that they did not, but merely that they use it differently from those who have Fe as a quadra value.

[Slacker]

That was logic? That was throwing out ideas in a frenzy. Exactly how ENFps make decisions too.

[discojoe]

Of course ENFps use Fe. Why on earth would you think ENFps don't use Fe?

"Of course INTjs use Ni. Why on earth would you think INTjs don't use Ni?" This is what you statement sounds like. Kind of like something mikemex would say, incidentally enough. With that sort of logic, every expression of any function will indicate an ENFp.

Answer: It is not that they do not use Fe, it is because they use it differently from those who have it as a Quadra function. :wink:

So, you take what people say out of context and then apply logical criticism?

What she was saying is that in her experience ENFps use plenty of Fe. Now, assuming she's watched the video, that statement would apply to the guy in question, meaning she was arguing against making a ENTp/ENFp distinction based on the Fe in the video.

So your critique is inapplicable. :wink: Though I guess you need social skills to actually see what someone is trying to say.

I understood what she was saying, and what I said was in context of what she said. So your critique is inapplicable. See how easy it is to dismiss someone? :wink:

Think about it.

What she said is that the Fe being used by the ENFp in the video is a) compatible with delta, and b) indicative of her view of an ENFp. She was refuting the claim that an ENFp would not be as expressive as the supposed one in the video was. If you take what she said out of context (as you have done) it is easy to falsely construe what she said (as you have done). The point of her argument is that an ENFp uses Fe to the extent that it is used in the video, so your rebuttal was pretty meaningless.

[Gilly]

IEEs DEFINITELY use Fe. DEFINITELY.

I never said that they did not, but merely that they use it differently from those who have Fe as a quadra value.

And this is something you can determine by this video? Not that I don't think it's possible, but I'd like to hear what you think.

[Slacker]

Gilly - does he strike you as either ENTp or ENFp in particular? He ought to be hitting one of our PoLRs.

[Logos]

That was logic? That was throwing out ideas in a frenzy. Exactly how ENFps make decisions too.

If it is just a frenzy, then there is nothing which would necessarily rule out ENTp or indicate ENFp over ENTp. If I cannot see the Fi, and you cannot see the Ti, then what other methods will you use to determine his type?

Think about it.

What she said is that the Fe being used by the ENFp in the video is a) compatible with delta, and b) indicative of her view of an ENFp. She was refuting the claim that an ENFp would not be as expressive as the supposed one in the video was. If you take what she said out of context (as you have done) it is easy to falsely construe what she said (as you have done). The point of her argument is that an ENFp uses Fe to the extent that it is used in the video, so your rebuttal was pretty meaningless.

You are right.

IEEs DEFINITELY use Fe. DEFINITELY.

I never said that they did not, but merely that they use it differently from those who have Fe as a quadra value.

And this is something you can determine by this video? Not that I don't think it's possible, but I'd like to hear what you think.

Is this not something that is done just about everytime some brings a video or photo for VI?

[Gilly]

IEEs DEFINITELY use Fe. DEFINITELY.

I never said that they did not, but merely that they use it differently from those who have Fe as a quadra value.

And this is something you can determine by this video? Not that I don't think it's possible, but I'd like to hear what you think.

Is this not something that is done just about everytime some brings a video or photo for VI?

I'd like to see what you think with regards to this video, that's all.

[mooveefone]

guys you do realize the reason he's entp is because the story is true, right? i imagine people may be looking over this major detail.

[Logos]

IEEs DEFINITELY use Fe. DEFINITELY.

I never said that they did not, but merely that they use it differently from those who have Fe as a quadra value.

And this is something you can determine by this video? Not that I don't think it's possible, but I'd like to hear what you think.

Is this not something that is done just about everytime some brings a video or photo for VI?

I'd like to see what you think with regards to this video, that's all.

If he was an IEE, would be his demonstrative 8th function, and he would not be very conscientious of its usage. But he seems to be more aware of how to use it in his style manner to create the mood of trying to get friendly with the audience. Also if you finish watching his video, he has another video in the links entitled ENTP. It is just his Myers-Briggs type, so it is not necessarily indicative, but additional potential viewing evidence for the -minded crowd never hurts.

[Steve]

To clarify: ENFps can use Fe in a small capacity, just as ENTps can use Te but limit their use of it, however here I clearly see Fe>Fi AND Ti>Te.

For example:

"Im only at the cusp of my 'nerd-dom' if you will" - Articulated very Ti-ishly. Making up words to grammatically fit and label an unlabeled concept in that way is classic Ti and classic ENTp-ness. <- :wink:

"I'm like Joey in hackers; I haven't developed an internet name for myself" - Ne metaphor explaining a Ti concept.


"Basing my name off of pop-culture references and insults to my friends, changing them every single round until one, fateful moment" - just sounds more Ti>Te to me.



Also, and this seems to be a misconception, any outward emotional tone changes doesn't necessarily = Fe

[Ms. Kensington]

That was logic? That was throwing out ideas in a frenzy. Exactly how ENFps make decisions too.

I think I agree with Logos on this. He has a clear rationale. He also seems self centered . I don't think he was making the decision based on the Ne frenzy, but I dont know if an ENFp makes the decision on an Ne frenzy either.

As I said it becomes more clear with more exposure that he doesn't show much Fi but tends to talk about things without references to people at all but on self standing evidences between abstracts. no references to facts.

And I was confused by the Fe as expressiveness, it wasn't what i was saying. I was just saying in general, not about the video. But I do think it's a good way to tell apart ENFps and ENTps IME ENFps seem a lot more earnest, though ENTps can seem really naive about the good of mankind, they are always more snarky and dont seem as naive in another way as ENFps because they are mostly thinking in abstract terms rather than involved ones.

For this video in particular, because this is the one that's posted, he jumps around a lot but they're self standing and complete. It's like how my paragraphs are in this post (separated points grouped by idea).

Honestly though I wasn't prepared to get in a discussion about ENTp as his type. I just recognized this as a type of ENTp i have seen many times .

[Slacker]

To clarify: ENFps can use Fe in a small capacity, just as ENTps can use Te but limit their use of it, however here I clearly see Fe>Fi AND Ti>Te. I don't see a preference of Fe > Fi. I see someone who seems to use a lot of both, if anything. Where do you see Fe>Fi preference, or even more useful - do you see any evidence of Fi PoLR? And what specifically makes you think Ti > Te in this video?

For example:

"Im only at the cusp of my 'nerd-dom' if you will" - Articulated very Ti-ishly. Making up words to grammatically fit and label an unlabeled concept in that way is classic Ti and classic ENTp-ness. <- :wink: How is this Ti? Everyone makes words gramatically fit to label unlabeled concepts. At least I do and I don't think I'm ENTp. I think this is Ne if anything in particular.

"I'm like Joey in hackers; I haven't developed an internet name for myself" - Ne metaphor explaining a Ti concept. Maybe this is a PoLR thing but what is the Ti concept here? I just see Ne.


"Basing my name off of pop-culture references and insults to my friends, changing them every single round until one, fateful moment" - just sounds more Ti>Te to me. Doesn't sound particularly one or the other to me. Again, more Ne than anything else.



Also, and this seems to be a misconception, any outward emotional tone changes doesn't necessarily = Fe

So I hear he's labeled ENTp in MBTI. But smart people often get labeled T in MBTI regardless of whether they are actually T so I'm not going to take that as proof of one over the other either. I don't see any clear Ti or Fi, so I don't see why this particular video would make people think ENTp. I think I'm more likely to not notice Fi than Ti - that's the only thing that made me think ENFp over ENTp. But there isn't any strong evidence either way in this particular video IMO.

[Ms. Kensington]

I think I'm more likely to not notice Fi than Ti - that's the only thing that made me think ENFp over ENTp. But there isn't any strong evidence either way in this particular video IMO.

thank you for explaining

[Logos]

So I hear he's labeled ENTp in MBTI. But smart people often get labeled T in MBTI regardless of whether they are actually T so I'm not going to take that as proof of one over the other either. I don't see any clear Ti or Fi, so I don't see why this particular video would make people think ENTp.

And now you are taking what I said out of context. That was an informational aside, not a proclamation of truth.

I think I'm more likely to not notice Fi than Ti - that's the only thing that made me think ENFp over ENTp. But there isn't any strong evidence either way in this particular video IMO.

Ms.K and Steve have provided evidence to support the existence of Ti in the subject and a most likely preference of Fe > Fi. So how much dancing around the Ti do we have to do? Just because the Ti does not appear in a form in which is apparent or familiar to you does not necessarily mean that it is not present. Just as an acknowledgment of my logical loop, just because we cannot see the Fi does not mean that it is not present either (:wink.

[ScarlettLux]

Well, after looking at almost all his other videos (HILARIOUS) ... I can say he's ENTp

[posablethumb]

haha this dude reminds me of eric foreman from that 70's show. he even looks like him. type? i dunno.

[Exodus]

If he was an IEE, would be his demonstrative 8th function, and he would not be very conscientious of its usage. But he seems to be more aware of how to use it in his style manner to create the mood of trying to get friendly with the audience.

I would argue that it is the fact that he is not using Fe to be friendly (which is how an ENFp might use it) but to dramatize the story that indicates Fe > Fi. It is something that would appeal more to an ISFp than an ISTp.

Anyway, I think ENTp-Ti, mainly because he uses Fe to a ridiculous extent. He also seems almost INFp, as ENTp-Tis are more likely to.

More evidence for ENTp:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMMDfh5phdE[/youtube]

"Exams, my friend, is the answer. 'Are the answer'? 'Is the answer'? How would you phrase that?"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpKtnqE4ulI[/youtube]

[Logos]

If he was an IEE, would be his demonstrative 8th function, and he would not be very conscientious of its usage. But he seems to be more aware of how to use it in his style manner to create the mood of trying to get friendly with the audience.

I would argue that it is the fact that he is not using Fe to be friendly (which is how an ENFp might use it) but to dramatize the story that indicates Fe > Fi. It is something that would appeal more to an ISFp than an ISTp.

Thanks. That would be a better way to word it.