Why I don’t believe Si egos or sensors without Ti as a general rule of thumb make very good typists..

[Braingel]

I think it's weird, coming from my own background in esoteric studies, to build a school of typology on a dead person's writings, since that person can no longer speak up, change their mind, or evolve their own teaching. There is no way to be "in the know", it's a bit like evangelicals basing everything they believe on the bible, who's authors are long dead and who's writings are usually taken out of context (if the context is even known with exactitude). There is athing called transmission of knowledge from teacher to student, and this doesn't happen through writing, but through face to face communication.

Also, many things mostly make from dead peoples’ ideas, passed on from generation and yes, they evolve each time, add in their own idea. But some ideas are purely made if they are good enough and wouldn’t evolve as much or have much controversy.

[Braingel]

I am going to post what I’d written to someone, the vision I’m referring to, before I even had my mega realizations with self-healing and had planned post about here, @WVBRY:

But it’s very interesting how almost all his definitions of the model overlap scs ego placements and equivalencies, other than a few things he took further to pathologize.
I have the opinion it’s highly compatible with scs.. from what I’ve intuited about scs, haven’t studied it much, filled in things..
And would even expand scs.. like, for instance, his work being better to approach in questionnaires for a very, very unhealthy person.. or considering the health level. Maybe there would be indicators for healthy use or not.
And vice versa, believe scs would do better in healthy use for things like the ignoring. So I believe they both cover blind posts, if you will.
Almost as if like.. trauma stores in that unconscious gateway… and then if it opens and floods, it gets neurotic. But with the gate closed, it can approach and just lend some unconscious means that may aspire towards better.. There is nothing obscuring a bias.
I believe the ignoring is a gateway to the unconscious.. and that this in trauma, complex trauma especially, will harbor a lot.
And I believe Beebe found out how that works.
I just perceive a lot of potentials for them to highly compliment, and I can’t help but want share this, because I believe this would make jungian functions highly transformative and result in a more ideal world and even have a lot of clinical potentials and to undo bias and neurosis…
Because.. They literally all at least in what I’ve intuited from it, as I’ve this tendency to just fill things in and not actually read it all.. Mean the equivalent things in their placements and even in some of the direct interactions
And so if they all are looking at things from the same placements, now it’s just a matter of a few differences in opinion, and also a varied focus on health and potentiality in how certain placements may manifest in the psyche, relative to health, relative to other factors..
Is also very interesting for two ILE’s to have come to these formations of a system…
Aushura had missing gaps in her model, and scs tries fill them in.. well, I believe one thing to fill in would be potentialities of certain function placements.
How I perceive typology, is that peoples’ biases and own function elements and their placements can hinder how a system is defined. Often, this will take people of various elementals overtime, to contribute “parts” to the whole, and one day, typology will be a model that is set into place… With the right parts and all..
This is true for anything, of course, not even merely typology.
I mean, the parts that are contributed, you interweave together to complete the whole.. this is how life works in my view, as much as I wouldn’t want it to, as with myself, I want be completely original.. enneagrammatic biases and coping, that I am@working to evolve past..
You have all these different models and definitions, to begin with, I feel, because if people focusing on different elements in respect to Jung’s original work. Some of these things perfected.. And can add on, now, others are made from myopic access of one’s inner faculty… Some of it may not even be clouded by function, but by enenagrammatic bias, or psychiatric disorders or traumatization…


Now, it’s about taking what is accurate and put it to its place, then typology will stand on its own and actually be something that has potentials to eliminate bias and to evolve psyches
I am more skeptical of models that rely on surface qualities of a person.. maybe a few of those have their own place

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[Braingel]

I knew aushura and beebe were focusing on different health levels, before I even remembered my childhood self being like how Aushura defined the Fe ignoring in an EII. And today, now, my Fe is neurotic and unhinged and even makes me look like an eie/enfj, because of trauma and abuse.

It is now like this:

One of the shadow archetypes of consciousness, the opposing personality, consists of a cluster of defenses of the self that are used to oppose, rather than one and work with others. The opposing personality fuels the defensive character styles— passive aggressive, paranoid, avoidant and histrionic— we sometimes see in our patients. Deployed internally, this consciousness can end up opposing one’s own best interests in perverse ways.

-p. 58 John Beebe Energy Patterns in Psychological Type

But I was once like this, which is equivocal to gulenko’s conception of Fe+ (Gulenko and aushura do not transfer over, but gulenko’s ignoring is slightly aligned to Beebe’s positional function, which I wrote about, but it isn’t enough).
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[Braingel]

I knew all these things, before I remembered how I was before, as my mid teen self puts it that “something snapped”, and I pleaded to be unrid of “it”. The it being the monster flare of my Fe shadow that consumed me and my Fi+ base purity.

[Braingel]

That whole thing aushura called Fe ignoring in an eii would be a model G “Fe+ type”. Cheering others up and whatnot. That would’ve been me, before I was shadowed. My shadow state has made me act more 4D Fe-, but it isn’t my actual type and is a defensive switch.

[Braingel]

I knew aushura and beebe were focusing on different health levels, before I even remembered my childhood self being like how Aushura defined the Fe ignoring in an EII. And today, now, my Fe is neurotic and unhinged and even makes me look like an eie/enfj, because of trauma and abuse.

It is now like this:


-p. 58 John Beebe Energy Patterns in Psychological Type

But I was once like this, which is equivocal to gulenko’s conception of Fe+ (Gulenko and aushura do not transfer over, but gulenko’s ignoring is slightly aligned to Beebe’s positional function, which I wrote about, but it isn’t enough).
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...519ea4403b0d3&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9ed5208e93296&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d1aa0ca815f2e&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...600193e88e7cf&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d100fcae8036b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...98a71f280f817&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f65a9536f0337&

Before I was impacted and deteriorated psychologically from my childhood abuse, bullying and other trauma, I fit Aushura’s unconscious caretaking Fe ignoring of an EII. This would be equivocal to model G’s iei uplifting moods.. But now, in my shadowed, disintegrated state, only Beebe correctly identifies me as an INFP in terms of the unhealthy Fe behavior working against others, now. And recognizes it as an enfj shadow, acting enfj, but not being enfj.

[Braingel]

I knew aushura and beebe were focusing on different health levels, before I even remembered my childhood self being like how Aushura defined the Fe ignoring in an EII. And today, now, my Fe is neurotic and unhinged and even makes me look like an eie/enfj, because of trauma and abuse.

It is now like this:


-p. 58 John Beebe Energy Patterns in Psychological Type

But I was once like this, which is equivocal to gulenko’s conception of Fe+ (Gulenko and aushura do not transfer over, but gulenko’s ignoring is slightly aligned to Beebe’s positional function, which I wrote about, but it isn’t enough).
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...519ea4403b0d3&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9ed5208e93296&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d1aa0ca815f2e&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...600193e88e7cf&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d100fcae8036b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...98a71f280f817&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f65a9536f0337&

Before I was impacted and deteriorated psychologically from my childhood abuse, bullying and other trauma, I fit Aushura’s unconscious caretaking Fe ignoring of an EII. This would be equivocal to model G’s iei uplifting moods.. But now, in my shadowed, disintegrated state, only Beebe correctly identifies me as an INFP in terms of the unhealthy Fe behavior working against others, now. And recognizes it as an enfj shadow, acting enfj, but not being enfj.

[Braingel]

By my filling in the gaps and connecting the systems (even though I’ve only skimmed them, and skimmed more beebe than aushura), I have reached really important insights about my psychological defenses in terms of functions and views and bias. My Fe is the weapon I show to the world now, from my unconscious, it isn’t controllable. It used to manifest as an unconscious need to take care of and over-empathy, which I still have the over-empathy (affective empathy. My cognitive empathy is poor).

[Braingel]

15+ years of bullying and parental abuse has turnt my unconscious Fe into a weapon that destroys my own life and defensively can attack others when cptsd triggers fire.

[Braingel]

My Fe being oppositional and an arsenal now for me, is quite the opposite of a model G 4D Fe social mission.

[Braingel]

The reason why EIE-H, the Asian user, had been typed an eii by Jack Oliver was because she was in an FiNe shadow and a 3 fallen into 9..

[Braingel]

My reactions to my parents show the Fe a lot, how I reacted in the summer of 2022 was my Fe shadow and 4 line down into 2 very severely, my reaction to Qaz was my oppositional Fe, I said the “community” doesn’t need him, that’s Fe global generalization, and I loaded that as an insult in his rebuking towards my inner boundary (4D Fi boundary defending with Fe opposition, but the Fi went dormant and was silenced).

[Braingel]

My oppositional function is very loud and dramatic, because it’s Fe. So it will happen in a histrionic, emotionally charged and emotionally loud and aggressive way, as a negatively charged.

[Braingel]

So, my real type is EII, but in model G, with how the polr works in aushura and with how the ignoring works there, it would more transfer over into an IEI in G, which is actually my real type on model G probably (IEI), but others would type me eie-h, because of how my shadow shows up..

[youfloweryourfeast]

Am not sure abt se who’s being more common or sensors yet so idk. I do think I still may run into same types I use to cuz I think some people may be able to mask well if they are intutive type I’ve been seeing some pattern am picking up possibilities but am gonna research soon

[Squirrel]

I don't think it's really about Ti, SLI has 4D Ti yet they're one of the worst typists you might ever see

[Ave]

Also, many things mostly make from dead peoples’ ideas, passed on from generation and yes, they evolve each time, add in their own idea. But some ideas are purely made if they are good enough and wouldn’t evolve as much or have much controversy.

Yes, obviously I'm not denying that dead people's ideas can and do inspire living people, lol. I think my point might be hard to grasp if you don't understand the concept of "the living teacher", which comes from esoteric movements.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying that SCS is not interesting (it is). What I am saying is that it simply cannot claim origins in Aushra in a deeper way than her writings (btw, I am not saying SCS thinkers intend to do this). That's okay though. I'm simply saying it's modern school, despite what the name would imply.

[youfloweryourfeast]

it doesn't have anything to with their ti its just their ni

[WinnieW]

I can see you definitely have mental Se and Ne and consider alternatives that aren’t visible a lot— but also look at raw facts and observable things (could be leading Se, could be Ne, could be extrovert), later, I will analyze things. And gather more.

Thank you. That matches my type test result.
I just asked myself why my perception is that Se is my biggest weakness and not Fi.

My latest Socionics online test result: https://www.sociotype.com/tests/result/tst/63195