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    Default How to change type?

    How can someone change from a rational into an irrational?
    How can someone change from an introvert to an extrovert?

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    you can't
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    I wasn't asking if it's possible or not.
    I was asking for a "how".
    Let's not close the conversation so fast.
    Let people think, speculate and discuss.

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    Try first by getting some concussions.

    I also think that functions can be strengthened via transcranial magnetic stimulation.
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    I doubt it.
    However, I find some use in viewing each type as an archetype with a set of qualities unique to that type. With such view, one can meditate/contemplate the archetype of type and try to resonate with its qualities in effort to cultivate some of those qualities in one's consciousness.
    Of course, I hold the belief in oneness where each individual is a distortion of that oneness in the sense of how the individual differs from another in terms of type, sex, gender, generation, ethnicity, nationality, and so on. The great challenge is finding the self in the other self who is outwardly very different, but faith that separation is an illusion helps expediate this process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouslikeacat View Post
    I wasn't asking if it's possible or not.
    I was asking for a "how".
    Let's not close the conversation so fast.
    Let people think, speculate and discuss.
    I believe it's possible, but something done progressively if it's natural. Otherwise that person would be a self hating ESI or ideal glazing LSI. However this case isn't common and gets rarer as people grow older. Young brains are surely malleable, but grown adults show more inertia towards personality shifts.

    I'd say the shift in change in mindset, actively increasing experience to the extent that one's low dimensional functions become more developed as a person self-actualizes. Or trauma, hormone imbalances(temporary usually, explains why I go from a chill person to a lowkey schizoid batman LSI), or taking action on the desire to change one's personality/outlook on life and how they metabolize the surrounding information. There is a lot I can go off of and explain, but meh.

    Though if something is impossible, then there is no way for it to even happen.

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    With enough drugs and surgery an ILI could resemble an EIE; I was acquainted with one that had a secret fetish for this kind of thing before. He lived in a van.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creep View Post
    With enough drugs and surgery an ILI could resemble an EIE; I was acquainted with one that had a secret fetish for this kind of thing before. He lived in a van.
    He had a fetish for autoenfjphilia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    He had a fetish for autoenfjphilia?
    Pretty much. He was like a wannabe EIE and I suspect that he masturbated to clown porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creep View Post
    Pretty much. He was like a wannabe EIE and I suspect that he masturbated to clown porn.
    Clown porn! What a world.

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    Cognitively you can't do anything

    Behaviorally, imitate the behaviors of the dichotomy you desire to be , of course this won't change your type really, but you will be able to deceive those who believe in the validity of dichotomies from a behavioral standpoint
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Clown porn! What a world.

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    I almost want to do investigation in the crazy world of clown porn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Reality Denialist View Post
    I almost want to do investigation in the crazy world of clown porn.
    While you are at it, maybe look into furry porn, too. There might be common factors.

    I watch porn, but I try to stay far, far away from this stuff. If I were to offer an opinion on it, I'd say that both varieties were coming from the same place, but clown porn is Se and furry porn is Si.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange
    While you are at it, maybe look into furry porn, too. There might be common factors.

    I watch porn, but I try to stay far, far away from this stuff. If I were to offer an opinion on it, I'd say that both varieties were coming from the same place, but clown porn is Se and furry porn is Si.
    You should apply for a grant to continue this research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    While you are at it, maybe look into furry porn, too. There might be common factors.

    I watch porn, but I try to stay far, far away from this stuff. If I were to offer an opinion on it, I'd say that both varieties were coming from the same place, but clown porn is Se and furry porn is Si.
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    You should apply for a grant to continue this research.
    I agree. By the way, Adam. Since you're like a genius, can you invent me a whip that makes people like me when I hit them with it?
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    Marry your conflictor and work on making it awesome.
    If you don't develop neurosis or psychosis, you'll certainly change your type.

    Actually, your type may not matter so much...just look at the typing in this forum. You'll rarely ever get to a consensus, what about being accurate.

    Type is not clear until you get really close to someone OR you have a lot of experience with a certain type. Now reflect that back at you

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    Just start labelling yourself as the preferred type and LARP. It’s that easy. You’re gonna be fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    Just start labelling yourself as the preferred type and LARP. It’s that easy. You’re gonna be fine!
    You're whatever type you want to be as long as you believe it and people agree with you.

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    You can mimic a type through force of circumstance and have access to feelings if you are a T type, like finding a role if you are looking to keep peace in fishbowl scenarios, as an example. It is not you though, or a core person, it is a projected motion, probably someone high agreeable ala Big 5.

    It is interesting to look at the basis for I vs E with it working in thru acetycholine or in dopamine domains, in binary, where the reward is one or the other, in these two lands where we hail from. You can detect the energy gain or energy loss in personal observations.

    It is still an energy spectrum, some are more bouncy than others, but you are one handed IRL, or dominant with a side of yourself.

    So in short, IQ is in place at age 5, so is personality in written hard code that manifests in time. You can act out a scene, but where is the "you," in where you find yourself hailing from?

    Theory of Mind forms around here.

    In essence, i feel the same internal persona since kindergarten in my MO thru life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creep View Post
    You're whatever type you want to be as long as you believe it and people agree with you.
    People outside this circle also accept that people change, they might just try to rationalize it that you changed bec of circumstances

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    In this days and Age you have the chance to be whatever you want. You can change Type, gender, sexual orientation, Mental Health Disorders Different Orders etc... All you have to do is say the words ! You are wonderful whatever you chose to be and you'll always find a place in this marvelous inclusive world. Enjoy the Zeitgeist while you can because you never know what the future might bring !

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    In this days and Age you have the chance to be whatever you want. You can change Type, gender, sexual orientation, Mental Health Disorders Different Orders etc... All you have to do is say the words ! You are wonderful whatever you chose to be and you'll always find a place in this marvelous inclusive world. Enjoy the Zeitgeist while you can because you never know what the future might bring !

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    I do think that people can change subtypes to some extend, but they are undefined yet from my point of view. I thinn you can see those as general national tendences. People always say "well, he just has an italian temperament". Maybe there's a part of our psyche that we can fundamentally change on a typlogy level.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    I do think that people can change subtypes to some extend, but they are undefined yet from my point of view. I thinn you can see those as general national tendences. People always say "well, he just has an italian temperament". Maybe there's a part of our psyche that we can fundamentally change on a typlogy level.
    Indeed, that's what Dr.G said about DCNH, events like adolescence and midlife crises as well as things like major traumas (physical and/or psychological) are usually what induce change in subtypes.

    As for the idea of the Temperament at the cultural/country level, I think it has to do with the superego formation which also encompasses elements of the essence of the cultural environment and with it of course some stereotypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    Indeed, that's what Dr.G said about DCNH, events like adolescence and midlife crises as well as things like major traumas (physical and/or psychological) are usually what induce change in subtypes.

    As for the idea of the Temperament at the cultural/country level, I think it has to do with the superego formation which also encompasses elements of the essence of the cultural environment and with it of course some stereotypes.
    I honestly think DCNH is more of a genetic characteristic like I have mentioned before here, so the tall person will be D and the person with disabillities or other characterstics is going to be an H sub. I had an attack last year due to multiple sclerosis and it caused my right arm to be of no use for 7 weeks. in that time I had noticed that I became much more passive and friendly. I suspect that I have been an H subtype during that time period, but I switched back to my initial subtype after everything healed and I got my energy back. I think it's sociotype first, which is way more broad than most people think and doesn`t tell you too much about a specific person, then it's subtype which might also be unchangeable (being analytical, scientific, esoteric, philosophical, emotional, concrete and so on), then DCNH, and then the parts that differ from person to person with unique characteristics that are changeable. I would have to define the subtypes first for it to really make sense though. I think some subtype groups get along better with each other. the artistic person will be more drawn to the scientific person, the concrete person will be more drawn to the analytical person for example.
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    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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