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    so I wrote a pretty long article about socionics for my own website. I wrote it somewhere between july 2023 and october 2023. I've published it on october 31st. Today I have published the english version on my website, so I thought I might as well post it here. @Subteigh

    the article is around 23 pages long and takes roughly 60 minutes to read so it's quite long and mainly deals with a description of introverted intuition. I think it still needs a bit of work regarding the formatting, but I created the page on my train drive to venice just now and I won't be spending much more time on it in the next week. let me know if you find any spelling mistakes so I can correct them. I wish the last third of the article was longer and explained more about Te and Ti but at the time of writing the article I was so burned out I just wanted to get it over with since it took so long.

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics-2/

    the english page on my site will be updated with other stuff from time to time so it might be worth taking a look at it once a month or so if you're interested. I will probably mainly post type examples for IEI, EIE, LIE in the near future like I have already done here, though.

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

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    Your perspectives are bad, until you think as adequate to think almost anyone as IEI.

    And until mistake in own type as LII, while having clear F, most possibly EIE.

    If you'd used Socionics on yourself to check own type, what supposes IR effects besides a behavior, then you'd had much higher chance to understand your correct type. Socionics is about IR, mainly and you, same as most other noobs who doubt or mistake in own types for long, - just do not use Socionics on themselves. Hence may understand nothing in "Socionics".

    Then...
    You are trying to use physiognomy too.

    It's sad situation.
    May be this game in types, which immitates thinking and mb activates your weak F, can be helpful for you.

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    Maybe also interesting when you read the article: I mention that I have a very broad understanding and a lot of experience with art. I have a profile that tracks most of the music I've liked and the films I have seen, so you get an idea where I'm coming from and how absurd and downright stupid the extroverted typing is for me

    https://rateyourmusic.com/~soundofconfusion

    I think typology and its insights can be very sophisticated, but it sadly often attracts mediocre minds like sol.
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    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asleep View Post
    I think typology and its insights can be very sophisticated, but it sadly often attracts mediocre minds like sol.
    How dare you call Sol's mind mediocre. That would be a vast improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudomorph View Post
    How dare you call Sol's mind mediocre. That would be a vast improvement.
    I have my own opinion of course, but I'm trying my best to be as polite as possible in this thread. It's hard, though
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

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    Alive / @Asleep you mentioned @Subteigh.

    Seems, being "hater of Socionics", he supports your actions in Socionics. In what you name so, at least.

    Don't know what personal reasons for his negative are behind. Most possible for such cases is wrong application of the tool. A hammer is "guilty", certainly.
    So by supporting misleadings to make a harm to the perception of Socionics would fit his negative attitude.

    While what you do has objectively noticed anomaly as overtyping to IEI / INFP.
    Physiognomy, which was damned by "scientific psychology", helps too.


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    I mentioned him because I think he's one of the smartest people on this site, while you seem like a barely sentient being that repeats the same messages over and over again
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asleep View Post
    I mentioned him because I think he's one of the smartest people on this site, while you seem like a barely sentient being that repeats the same messages over and over again
    Of course he's barely sentient. He listens to schlager music. How could anyone be aware of their surroundings and want that in their surroundings?

    For one time on this entire site I'm agreeing with Alive.

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    Alive, the +/- dichotomy was not invented by Gulenko and it does not indicate positive or negative. It's reducing (-) or expanding (+) and can be viewed as short-range (+) or long-range (-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellohellohello View Post
    Alive, the +/- dichotomy was not invented by Gulenko and it does not indicate positive or negative. It's reducing (-) or expanding (+) and can be viewed as short-range (+) or long-range (-)
    I honestly don't know. It's hard for a westerner to really understand what is happening in eastern europe and the article basically explains my own interpretation of it. While many IEI can be very critical of their environment and see the flaws in everything, they usually try to hold onto a hopeful perspective. The other points don't matter as much to me personally
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

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    fixed a formatting issue on my site, so it should be readable on your phone now. I'm not a big fan of wordpress anymore. haven't really worked on my site all that much this year and the constant changes and plug-in requirements are starting to annoy me.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

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    i read (well rather, scanned the main points) up about your definition of Ni. I dont agree with all of it , but at some points there is convergence of beliefs. (I also thought Ni is connected with maths, just as you did). Evolution being an Ni discovery I also agree with.

    Read a little of the Ne section too. again some similarity of envisionment.

    the major difference then is of what creates the "fundamentals".

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    @Awake we've had many discussion on Socionics so you already know I agree with your comments about Socionics being a pseudoscience etc., it's difficult for me to comment on what you said about the IMs as I don't even believe in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    @Awake we've had many discussion on Socionics so you already know I agree with your comments about Socionics being a pseudoscience etc., it's difficult for me to comment on what you said about the IMs as I don't even believe in them.
    Yeah that's fair enough. While I do think empiricism is pretty important, I do not place a lot of importance on it myself, as I am not a scientist. I'm pretty convinced the IM's can be catalogued in a variety of subcategories, but it's not so important for me that the structure is bullet-proofed and doesn't contradict itself. Socionics is more like an intellectual game to me. I think I have a point with Ni inventing things and I have ultimatively interacted with so many people, the rigidness of the ITR just doesn't make much sense to me. I would also rather live with intuitives in the city than with a dual somewhere else. People can think what they want about the theory, it's whatever.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

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    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

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    I'm inclined to think the most noticable specifics of Alive's "perspective on socionics" in his activity on the site, where he almost anyones says to have IEI as intentional lie (~80% possibility). Based on his humoristic profile title "Professional IEI Identifier" and some other factors. For example, he looks as infantile but generally normal on a video and not as people with hard psychiatry diagnoses, which may believe seriously in delusional paranoid idea that almost anyone has a single Jung type.

    The practical approach is to say random Jung type for a human and then to play in its logical rationalization. The quality of which Alive overesteemates, having EIE and so weakest T.

    A similar trolling approach I suspect is used by @Subteigh, sometimes. Who is Alive's pal and said to be disappointed in Socionics and seems Jung typology in general. As his Trump EII (possibly opposing to most voted ESTP), Doyle as EIE (as opposing to general sense as the author is famous by excellent logical explanations) are beyond typology "good and evil" borders. His exaggerated usage in Napoleon's theme of strange Augustinavichiute's idea about a link of health disorders and types show his humor in Jung types application more evidently, taking his claim to be sceptical and hence not too naive one. That should not be the only examples where Subteigh says baseless exotics opinions about types with his trolling games.

    What pushes these two decent gentlemen on so not decent behavior as intentional lie to people on typology site? What is their moral credo? I suspect the reason is the illusion that is if they were unable to notice usefulness in Jung typology usage by _them_, having their approach to theory, methods, data and practical skills, - then everyone is the same and hence Jung typology is objectively wrong mess. While who thinks the other are just fooling themselves. So to say random types and then to rationalize them would be what everyones does and they are not different in this. Where they are alike just honest and attract the attention of people on the idiocy they do, by showning them own openly unreasonable rationalizations. And also by the intentional sabotage they express accumulated negative emotions to "bad theory" of their touchy F souls (I saw no video of Subteigh still, but seems he said to have INF* and that is possibly, closer to INFJ by his attraction to stats data what fits to Te value).

    It's rather egocentric position of them what leads to lack of objectivity. Especially, when is known about real typing matches (2 experiments, at least) to be significantly >1/16 (up to 20%) even with usage of only nonverbal behavior data with random bloggers by random forums noobs. Where normal typing data, good trained people, better when a human is known good irl promise to allow mb twice better accuracy than extrapolated 40% average in those experiments, - >70%. While those 70% is where by today speculative psychology standards starts the basis for mass practical application (check correlations researches).

    It's about real Alive's "perspective on socionics".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    A similar trolling approach I suspect is used by @Subteigh, sometimes. Who is Alive's pal and said to be disappointed in Socionics and seems Jung typology in general. As his Trump EII (possibly opposing to most voted ESTP), Doyle as EIE (as opposing to general sense as the author is famous by excellent logical explanations) are beyond typology "good and evil" borders.
    That assumes that Doyle based Sherlock Holmes on himself (when he didn't), and that Socionics is famous by excellent logical explanations. Your logic is extremely poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    That assumes that Doyle based Sherlock Holmes on himself (when he didn't), and that Socionics is famous by excellent logical explanations. Your logic is extremely poor.
    Please do me a favor and just ignore him here. I don't want to look at another thread of mine and find the same messages again. If other people want to add something they are more than welcome to do it, but please spare me Sol this time.
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

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