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    I hope Netanyahu gets arrested, jailed, raped, and then hangs himself Epstein-style.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    35k killed and the only people writing constantly here are a middle-aged woman who posts while drunk and a male-equivalent pedant who's anal about definitions. lame

    >fabricate violent situations
    >point to protesters and tell them how violent and antisemitic they are
    >continue to kill (one in three are children btw.)
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    List of wars by death toll - Wikipedia

    Thousand Days' War 120,000–180,000+ 1899–1902 Colombian Conservatives vs. Colombian Liberals Colombia Famine and Civilian casualties are included.[69][70]
    Boxer Rebellion 100,000 1899–1901 Boxers vs. Foreign powers China
    South African War (Second Boer War) 73,000–90,000 1899–1902 United Kingdom and allies vs. South African Republic and Orange Free State South Africa [71]
    Philippine–American War 234,000+ 1899–1912 Philippines vs. USA Philippines [72] – Also known as the Philippine War
    Russo-Japanese War 101,300–206,100 1904–1905 Russia vs. Japan Northeast Asia
    Mexican Revolution 1,000,000–3,500,000 1910–1920 Pro-government vs. Anti-government Mexico [73]
    1911 Revolution 220,000 1911 Qing China vs. Revolutionaries China
    Balkan Wars 140,000+ 1912–1913 See Balkan wars Balkan Peninsula
    World War I 17,000,000-40,000,000 1914–1918 Allied Powers vs. Central Powers Worldwide [27] – Also known as the Great War
    Russian Civil War 7,000,000–12,000,000 1917–1922 Red army and allies vs. White army and allies Russia [74]
    Kurdish separatism in Iran 15,000–58,000 1918–present Qajar dynasty vs. Shekak (tribe) Iran [75]
    Iraqi–Kurdish conflict 138,800–320,100 1918–2003 Kurdistan/Iraqi Kurdistan and allies vs. Iraq and allies Iraq [76][77]
    Rif War 90,000 1921–1926 Spain vs. Republic of the Rif Morocco [78]
    Kurdish–Turkish conflict 100,000+ 1921–present Turkey vs. Kurdish people Middle East
    Second Italo-Senussi War 40,000+ 1923–1932 Italy vs. Senussi Order Libya
    Chinese Civil War 8,000,000–11,692,000 1927–1949 ROC vs. PRC China [79]
    Chaco War 85,000–130,000 1932–1935 Bolivia vs. Paraguay Gran Chaco
    Second Italo–Ethiopian War 278,000+ 1935–1936 Ethiopian Empire vs. Italy Ethiopia According to Italian government statistics, the Italians suffered 1,148 KIA, 125 DOW, and 31 MIA.[80] According to the Ethiopian government, at least 275,000 Ethiopians died in the brief war.[80][81] – Also known as the Second Italo–Abyssinian War
    Spanish Civil War 500,000–1,000,000 1936–1939 Nationalists vs. Republicans Spain [31]
    Second Sino-Japanese War 20,000,000–25,000,000 1937–1945 Republic of China and allies vs. Japan China [82] – Part of World War II
    World War II 80,000,000 1939–1945 Allied powers vs. Axis Powers Worldwide [27] – Largest and deadliest war in history
    Winter War 153,736–194,837 1939–1940 Finland vs. Soviet Union Finland – Part of World War II
    Greco-Italian War 27,000+ 1940–1941 Greece vs. Italy Southeast Europe – Part of World War II
    Continuation War 387,300+ 1941–1944 Finland and Germany vs. Soviet Union Northern Europe – Part of World War II
    Soviet–Japanese War 33,420–95,768 1945 Soviet Union and Mongolia vs. Japan Manchuria – Part of World War II
    First Indochina War 400,000+ 1946–1954 France vs. Việt Minh, Lao Assara, and Khmer Issarak Southeast Asia – Also known as the Indochina War
    Partition of India 200,000–2,000,000 1946–1948 India and Pakistan South Asia Partition of India
    Greek Civil War 158,000+ 1946–1949 Greek Government army vs. DSE Greece [83][84][85][86]
    Kashmir conflict 80,000–110,000 1947–present India vs. Pakistan North India / Pakistan
    La Violencia 192,700–300,000 1948–1958 Colombian Conservative Party vs. Colombian Liberal Party Colombia
    Internal conflict in Myanmar 130,000–250,000 1948–present Myanmar vs. Burmese Insurgent Groups Myanmar [87]
    Arab–Israeli conflict 116,074+ 1948–present Arab Countries vs. Israel Middle East [88]
    Annexation of Hyderabad 29,000–242,000 1948 Dominion of India vs. Hyderabad India – Also known as Operation Polo
    Korean War 1,500,000–4,500,000 1950–1953 South Korea and allies vs. North Korea and allies Korea [89] American casualties in the Korean War included 54,246 dead and 103,284 wounded.
    Algerian War 400,000–1,500,000 1954–1962 Algeria vs. France Algeria [90] – Also known as the Algerian War of Independence
    Ethnic conflict in Nagaland 34,000+ 1954–present India and Myanmar vs. Naga People Northeast India [91]
    Vietnam War 1,300,000–4,300,000 1955–1975 South Vietnam and allies vs. North Vietnam and allies Vietnam [92][93][94] American casualties in the Vietnam War included 58,226 dead and 304,000 wounded. – Also known as the Second Indochina War - Includes deaths in Cambodia and Laos
    First Sudanese Civil War 500,000+ 1955–1972 Sudan vs. South Sudanese Rebels Sudan
    Congo Crisis 100,000+ 1960–1965 DRC, USA, and Belgium vs. Simba and Kwilu Rebels Congo [95]
    Angolan War of Independence 83,000–103,000 1961–1974 Angola vs. Portugal and South Africa Angola
    North Yemen Civil War 100,000–200,000 1962–1970 Kingdom of Yemen and Saudi Arabia vs. Yemen Arab Republic and United Arab Republic Yemen [96]
    Mozambican War of Independence 63,500–88,500 1964–1974 FRELIMO vs. Portugal Mozambique [97]
    Insurgency in Northeast India 25,000+ 1964–present India and allies vs. Insurgent Groups Northeast India [87]
    Colombian conflict 220,000-450,000+ 1964–present Colombia and allies vs. Far Left guerillas and Far Right paramilitares Colombia [98]
    Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000–3,000,000 1967–1970 Nigeria vs. Biafra Nigeria – Also known as the Biafran War
    Moro conflict 120,000+ 1969–2019 Philippines vs. Jihadist Groups vs. Bangsamoro Philippines [99]
    Communist rebellion in the Philippines 30,000–43,000 1969–present Philippines vs. Communist Party of the Philippines Philippines [100]
    Bangladesh Liberation War 400,000–3,600,000+ 1971 India and Bangladesh vs. Pakistan Bangladesh [101] – Also known as the Bangladesh War of IndependenceFigure includes 30,000 military dead, 300,000 to 3,000,000 Bengali civilian and 64,000 to 600,000 Bihari civilian deaths [102][103]
    Ethiopian Civil War 500,000–1,500,000 1974–1991 Derg, PEDR, and Cuba vs. Anti-Communist rebel groups Ethiopia
    Angolan Civil War 504,158+ 1975–2002 MPLA and Cuba vs. UNITA and South Africa Angola
    South African invasion of Angola 50,000+ 1975–1976 Cuba and MPLA vs. South Africa, FNLA, UNITA and Zaire Angola 50,000 Angolans dead (mostly civilians)[31] – Part of the South African Border War and the Angolan Civil War
    Indonesian invasion of East Timor 100,000–200,000 1975–1976 Indonesia vs. East Timor East Timor
    Lebanese Civil War 120,000–150,000 1975–1990 Various groups Lebanon
    Insurgency in Laos 100,000+ 1975–2007 Laos and Vietnam vs. "Secret army" and Hmong people Laos [104]
    Ogaden War 60,000 1977–1978 Ethiopia and Cuba vs. Somalia Ethiopia [105]
    Afghanistan conflict 1,400,000–2,500,000 1978–present see Afghanistan conflict Afghanistan [106]
    Kurdish–Turkish conflict 45,000+ 1978–present Turkey vs. KCK Middle East [107] – Part of the Kurdish rebellions in Turkey
    Soviet–Afghan War 600,000–2,000,000 1979–1989 Soviet Union and Afghanistan vs. Insurgent groups Afghanistan [108][109][110] – Part of War in Afghanistan
    Salvadoran Civil War 70,000–80,000 1979–1992 El Salvador vs. FMLN El Salvador [111][112]
    Iran–Iraq War 500,000–1,500,000 1980–1988 Iran and allies vs. Iraq and allies Middle East [113]
    Internal conflict in Peru 70,000+ 1980–present Peru vs. PCP-SL and MRTA Peru [114]
    Ugandan Bush War 100,000–500,000 1981–1986 ULNF and Tanzania vs. National Resistance Army Uganda [115][116] – Also known as the Luwero War
    Second Sudanese Civil War 1,000,000–2,000,000 1983–2005 Sudan vs. South Sudanese rebels Sudan
    Sri Lankan Civil War 80,000–100,000 1983–2009 Sri Lanka vs. Tamil Tigers Sri Lanka [117]
    Somali Civil War 300,000–500,000 1986–present Varying Somali governments vs. insurgent groups Somalia [118][119]
    Lord's Resistance Army insurgency 100,000–500,000 1987–present Lord's Resistance Army vs. Central African states Central Africa [120]
    Nagorno-Karabakh conflict 50,000+ 1988–2024 Artsakh and Armenia vs. Azerbaijan and allies Caucasus region – Also known as the Artsakh Liberation War
    Gulf War 25,500–40,500 1990–1991 Iraq vs. Coalition Forces Kuwait, Iraq and Saudi Arabia
    Rwandan Civil War 500,000–807,500 1990–1994 Rwandan Patriotic Front rebel forces vs. Rwanda Rwanda – The majority of casualties were civilians killed by Hutu rebels in the Rwandan genocide.
    Algerian Civil War 44,000–200,000 1991–2002 Algeria vs. FIS loyalists vs. GIA Algeria [121]
    Bosnian War 97,000–105,000 1991–1995 Bosnia and Herzegovinian governments and allies vs. Republika Srpska and allies Bosnia
    1991 Iraqi uprisings 85,000–235,000 1991 Iraq vs various rebels Iraq [122][123][124] – Also known as the Sha'aban Intifada
    Tajikistan Civil War 20,000-150,000 1992-1997 Tajikistan and supporters vs United Tajik Opposition and supporters Tajikistan [125][126]
    Eritrean–Ethiopian War 70,000–300,000 1998–2000 see Eritrean–Ethiopian War Eritrean–Ethiopian border
    Sierra Leone Civil War 50,000–300,000 1991–2002 see Sierra Leone Civil War Sierra Leone
    Burundian Civil War 300,000+ 1993–2005 Burundi vs. Hutu rebels vs. Tutsi rebels Burundi [127]
    First Congo War 250,000–800,000 1996–1997 Zaire and allies vs. AFDL and allies Congo
    Second Congo War 2,500,000–5,400,000 1998–2003 See Second Congo War Central Africa [128][129][130][131] – Also known as the Great War of Africa
    Ituri conflict 60,000+ 1999–2003 Lendu Tribe vs. Hemu Tribe and allies Congo [132] – Part of the Second Congo War
    War on terror 272,000–1,260,000 2001–2021 Anti-Terrorist Forces vs. Terrorist groups Worldwide [133][134][135][136] – Also known as the Global War on Terrorism
    War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) 212,191+ 2001–2021 See War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) Afghanistan [134] – Part of the War on Terror and Afghanistan conflict
    Insurgency in the Maghreb 70,000+ 2002–present See Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present) Algeria, Libya, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Chad, Mauritania and other Maghreb and Sahel countries Part of the War on Terror. Includes Mali War, Libyan crisis (various factions of Libyan crisis vs Islamists) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso and Jihadist insurgency in Niger.
    US Invasion of Iraq 800,000-1,000,000[citation needed] 2003 United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland vs Iraq Iraq The invasion phase began on 19 March 2003 (air) and 20 March 2003 (ground) and lasted just over one month
    Iraq War (US lead Coalition Invasion of Iraq & subsequent war) 405,000–654,965 2003–2011 See Iraq War Iraq [135][136][134]– Part of the War on Terror See: Casualties of the Iraq War
    War in Darfur 300,000+ 2003–present SRF and allies vs. Sudan and allies vs. UNAMID Sudan [137]
    Kivu Conflict 100,000+ 2004–present see Kivu Conflict Congo – Part of the Second Congo War
    Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 46,872–79,000 2004–present Pakistan, USA, and UK vs. Terrorist groups Pakistan [134] – Also known as the War in Waziristan– Part of the War on Terror and War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
    Mexican drug war 200,000–400,000+ 2006–present Mexico vs. Drug cartels, including inter-cartel conflicts Mexico [138][139] – Also known as the Mexican War on Drugs
    Boko Haram insurgency 350,000+ 2009–present Multinational Joint Task Force vs. Boko Haram Nigeria with spillover into Cameroon, Chad, Mali and Niger 2,400,000 internally displaced
    Libyan crisis 30,000–43,000[140][141][142][143] 2011–present First stage: Libyan Arab Jamahiriya vs Anti-Gaddafi forces; Second stage: Libyan National Army vs various militias (including jihadists); Third stage: House of Representatives vs Government of National Accord vs Islamic State and other jihadist militias Libya Includes the First Libyan Civil War, Factional violence in Libya and the Second Libyan Civil War
    Syrian civil war 580,000–613,407+ 2011–present Syrian Arab Republic vs. Republic of Syria vs. ISIL vs. Syrian Democratic Forces Syria See: Casualties of the Syrian civil war
    Rojava–Islamist conflict 50,000+ 2013–present Syrian Democratic Forces vs. Islamic States of Iraq and Levant vs. al-Nusra Front Syria 100,000[144] Syrian Kurds fleeing to Turkey
    South Sudanese Civil War 383,000+[145] 2013–2020 South Sudan vs. SPLM-IO South Sudan About 190,000 died of violence and 383,000 died if healthcare services disruption and war-caused food scarcity factored in as of 2018
    War in Iraq (2013–2017) 195,000–200,000+ 2013–2017 Iraq and allies vs. ISIL Iraq
    Yemeni Civil War 377,000+ 2014–present Yemen's Supreme Political Council vs. Hadi Government, Saudi-led Coalition and the UAE-backed Southern Movement vs Al-Qaeda Yemen UNDP estimate for the end of 2021. 60% attributable to hunger and disease. Also part of the Arab Winter.
    Tigray War 162,000–378,000+ (Total civilian casualties including famine victims, per Ghent University)[146] 2020–2022 UFEFCF vs. Ethiopian and Eritrean Government Ethiopia (Tigray, Afar and Amhara Regions) Part of the Ethiopian civil conflict.
    Myanmar Civil War 49,219 2021–present National Unity Government vs. State Administration Council Myanmar Part of the Internal conflict in Myanmar.
    Russian invasion of Ukraine 300,000+ 2022–present Russia vs. Ukraine Ukraine Estimates of deaths vary widely.[147][148] The Ukrainian government stopped publishing country's demographic statistics starting from January 2022. Part of the Russo-Ukrainian War.
    Hamas–Israel war 38,709–47,656+ 2023–present Israel vs Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups Israel, Gaza Strip, spillover into West Bank, Lebanon, Syria Part of the Israeli–Palestinian con

    25 of these wars or conflicts are still happening today.
    As you can see, the Hamas-Israel war is actually one of the least bloody wars in the last century. It's also probably one of the most justified ones, considering it from Israels standpoint, but of course it's the one you people are most enraged about.

    I could possibly respect an absolutist position that no war is ever acceptable under any circumstances. I don't agree with that, I think the argument would be very easy to tear apart, just war theory gives plenty of adequate justification for war given certain conditions... but at least an absolutist position would be internally consistent and contend with the full issue. Instead you people act as if war is outrageous in just this instance, not because of any particular rationale (your rationale was thoroughly shredded numerous times), but just "the poor children"... but I don't see anyone here suggesting this logic should apply to other wars or all wars... frankly I don't see anyone who opposes this war contending with any of the logical consequences of their statements... (incidentally alot of the larger numbers in that table occurred during communist or socialist revolutions, something most of you openly advocate for on a regular basis... but you people don't even give a moments pause to the fact when it's mentioned to you).

    Almost 8x the people have been killed in Ukraine and that's a situation that isn't religiously motivated, so it could actually be resolved through political means... plus the US administration along with NATO actually had a role to play in instigating Russias actions.. and are continuing the war / using Ukrainians and the Russian citizenry as pawns to further their own geopolitical schemes there. If you're outraged by the war in Gaza, why aren't you outraged over the Wests involvement / continued funding in Ukraine...? It seems to be only Hamas and the pro-terrorism brainwashed Palestinian population that you sympathize with, perhaps because they are the "oppressed" according to your very inverted, dumbed down worldviews... worldviews you didn't come up with but just hopped on board with because it was trendy.

    Hell, look at the Mexican drug war - 200K-400K have died in that war, and it's been going on for the last 20 years. Those cartels would not exist without the drug trade over the US-mexico border. And most of you people arguing in favor of Hamas here are also strongly in favor of political parties that have open border policies, policies which enable that drug trade. ~300K - that's about 9x the deaths in Gaza. And what about the 100K US citizens who die of overdoses a year now, mostly from fentanyl, mostly teens and young adults...? But you certainly do not care about that.

    Beheading a government intent on annihilating its neighbor, when otherwise the problem will only get worse and nuclear weapons are a long term prospect, is the safest / least bloody option, as been explained many times... this is a fact which you, being a mindless toddler, have ignored many times.

    When it comes down to it you don't understand the first thing about Islam or Palestine, you shy away from conversation about the actual problems there and what to do about it... you crash and burn when you try to talk about it. But rationale doesn't matter when you are just set on proclaiming to everyone your unearned moral virtue, or looking to cause chaos / take out your anger toward your father on something.
    We can only be thankful that for now you dunces aren't the ones making these decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    I hope Netanyahu gets arrested, jailed, raped, and then hangs himself Epstein-style.
    You Palestinians sure have a thing for rape, don't you? With all those Jewish women that you raped on Oct 7, honor rape that occurs in your backwater religious culture, the taking of Islamic sex slaves, and so on.
    It is sad that your culture never moved out of the medieval era from an ethics standpoint. I guess you are still learning the consequences - but still much learning left to do I'm afraid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    35k killed and the only people writing constantly here are a middle-aged woman who posts while drunk and a male-equivalent pedant who's anal about definitions. lame

    >fabricate violent situations
    >point to protesters and tell them how violent and antisemitic they are
    >continue to kill (one in three are children btw.)
    Here's me sober. We've seen the videos you Marxist political gimp pretending to care about the Palestinian people.

    Hamas is still killing them and stealing their aid btw. I've seen it.

    Your generation has a lower IQ btw...shit happens.
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    People, go on X. They all hate Jews. Real free speech lets you see the truth.

    No Muslim countries will take the Palestinians in. Why? History.

    There are no Jews in surrounding Arab countries. There are no Christians either.

    Numbers don't lie. People do.

    Hamas are killing Palestinians when they go for the aid. Hamas shot mortars at America bringing in aid.

    It's an ideology brainwashing shit show here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogOfDanger View Post
    You Palestinians sure have a thing for rape, don't you? With all those Jewish women that you raped on Oct 7, honor rape that occurs in your backwater religious culture, the taking of Islamic sex slaves, and so on.
    It is sad that your culture never moved out of the medieval era from an ethics standpoint. I guess you are still learning the consequences - but still much learning left to do I'm afraid!
    Hehe. I am neither Palestinian nor a Jew. And neither do I lump everyone from the same nationality, ethnicity, or religion in the same group, like a narrow-minded, genocide applauding asshole such as yourself would. Furthermore, the few jews that I know are on the same side on this issue as I am. And there is only one right and just side to be, same as when the Holocaust happened.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    pretty iconic pic

    https://twitter.com/tory4heisman/sta...43657726664830

    the video that showes her will make you like her more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    Furthermore, the few jews that I know are on the same side on this issue as I am. And there is only one right and just side to be, same as when the Holocaust happened.
    Your irrelevant anecdotes do not reflect the facts, I'm afraid - Poll: Overwhelming majority of American Jews support Israel’s fight against Hamas (jewishinsider.com)

    I suppose the difference between the holocaust and this scenario is the Nazis were not attempting to behead a murderous Jewish regime that could prospectively acquire nuclear weapons, nor did the Jews broadly support the unprovoked mass execution and rape of large numbers of German women / children / babies, etc.. The Jews were also executed in the millions, while the Israeli military is making efforts not to kill the Palestinians and has only killed about 35K or so according to Hamas's estimates. 35K seems like alot, but it is less than 1% of the Palestinian population and really is not very many as far as wars go - see the table above. Covid actually killed a comparable percentage of the population... Many of the deaths are probably due to things like starvation, lack of medical supplies, etc. - these sorts of things often account for the majority of civilian casualties in wars. And I'm sure some fraction of those civilians were accomplices to Hamas in some way as well.
    But war sucks - which is why you should not elect governments that declare war on their neighbors. Hamas made this intention clear during its run for election, the Palestinian people knew this was the ultimate goal. I guess they just expected to win, not get completely owned - very stupid population, they needed to be broadcast video of modern military weapons and then be reminded they don't have any.
    They should have watched this video-

    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    And neither do I lump everyone from the same nationality, ethnicity, or religion in the same group, like a narrow-minded, genocide applauding asshole such as yourself would.
    But you do strongly support a genocidal regime that persecutes Jews based on nationality / religion / ethnicity, so what is the difference effectively? What good is a person who's compassionate toward Jews while simultaneously voicing support for a regime that strives to provoke a war with them and kill them?
    71% of the Palestinian population supports the Oct 7 attack according to polling conducted a while back - Poll shows Palestinians back Oct. 7 attack on Israel, support for Hamas rises | Reuters

    I am afraid that the Palestinians are a medieval and barbaric culture that considers rape just punishment for their enemies... this is not a narrow minded caricature, it is an accurate description of the real attitudes of the average Palestinian - a population that is 100% Muslim and completely in the grips of that insane, medieval belief system. This is reality, it does not change in accordance with peoples outrage.
    You're correct that not every single Palestinian holds these attitudes, but generic statements do not imply that, nor do they need to. Not every German was a Nazi in WW2 either, but enough of them were, so we bombed them to hell and would do so again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    Hehe. I am neither Palestinian nor a Jew.
    Strange, because I distinctly remember you stating publicly you were from Palestine.
    Well with the way you prescribe rape as punishment for your enemies it's understandable someone could easily be confused.
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    You guys should check out Elica Le Bon. She's Iranian and talks about the injustice in the middle east and here in the west.

    We should support the Iranian people. Their new government changed their flag and brutalizes women in the street.

    Iranian Jews whose families fled persecution in Iran for being “Zionists” (used interchangeably with Jewish, if you hadn’t caught on yet, and executed for that reason) then displaced as refugees to Israel now being attacked for the same reason by the children of the privileged American elite who have no idea what we’ve been through in the Middle East not only makes me fuming mad, but also confirms that they are recreating the Islamic Republic here - the place we left to be safe from extremism, Islamism, tyranny, oppression, and fascism. This America is unraveling. Who is this America working for, out of curiosity?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    Anyway, I was just upset. I had just watched a video of the cutest little Palestinian 4 year old boy. His father made him walk to the IDF and he screamed "don't be afraid, walk to them" then he screamed "shoot him! Shoot him! I know you like killing children!"

    The little boy walked up and shook the soldiers hand. He just saw them as soldiers. Which are cool to a small boy.

    They believe in martyring their children.
    I don't know what you saw, but no -- "they" don't believe in martyring their children in this obscene manner. Almost no human being wants their children to be murdered. What you wrote is straight-up dehumanizing propaganda, and anyone who believes it is a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    No, they don't believe in martyring their children. Almost no human being believes this. What you wrote is straight-up dehumanizing propaganda, and anyone who believes it is a racist.
    You're obviously crazy. I posted the videos of Palestinian TV. They literally said it. Go look.

    You woke propaganda promoting Marxist. You're just another brainwashed hivemind lunatic.

    Too bad this isn't Twitter. The community notes get you crazies.

    They raise their children to become martyrs. This is a fact. That's what the mother's were saying.

    I saw it with my own eyes.

    You're the real racist and you don't care about the Palestinians. You especially don't care about their children.
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    Note the crazy left "you're racist!'

    That's all they have; lies.

    There are Muslims and Palestinians who reject their ideology on Twitter.
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    I go to a store owned by Middle Eastern people. They are wonderful; I even met their kids.

    They barely speak English but they conveyed to me they are afraid.

    I said "how are you?" He said "not good, not good, news"

    I was sad. He shouldn't have to be afraid.
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    The war between Palestinians and Israel is religious. @xerx would have you not believe that because it makes his argument more simple. He's Marxist who hates the west. He uses the Palestinian people as his talking point.

    All the dead in Syria and other places with real genocide will haunt him.
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    If you ever wondered how the Holocaust happened? People like @xerx.

    Let them have free speech. We will watch....


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    I don't think Xerx will ever admit defeat but the argument has been reduced to obscurity, the debate is not even a bit interesting at this point. If Hamas cannot acknowledge Israels existence or drop the war declaration there is just no basis for claiming they are attempting to make peace, that is the bottom line.
    Carry onward
    I'm skeptical that Hamas' recognition of Israel would change anything. I don't think that Israel (or anyone, frankly) cares about such empty gestures. The Palestinian Authority recognizes Israel's right to exist, but it isn't any closer to gaining independence from Israel.

    Also, why are the Palestinians under any legal obligation to recognize Israel's right to exist? Where does international law require countries to recognize each others' indefinite continuance into eternity?


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    You cannot have a peace agreement where one party maintains their hostile intent and implicit war declaration. It is not unreasonable to refuse to negotiate under such a false pretense. I suppose such a refusal is inflexible - but this is an inflexibility based in reason. This conversation has now been reduced to basically insisting on Hamas's peaceful intent while ignoring all contrary evidence, including Hamas's own words, and citing some stray commentary by a Jimmy Carter staff member... and not even interpreting the comment well... as if we should just throw away reason and defer to some random persons opinion to decide things anyway.
    If you're referring to Brzezinski, I referenced him because I wanted to quote a non-partisan observer that couldn't be accused of having Hamas sympathies. And he was more than a staffer; he was an influential strategist who made the case that its unconditional support for Israeli foreign policy threatens American geopolitical interests.

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    ^ trying to get out of it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I don't know what you saw, but no -- "they" don't believe in martyring their children in this obscene manner. Almost no human being wants their children to be murdered. What you wrote is straight-up dehumanizing propaganda, and anyone who believes it is a racist.
    Palestinians TV racist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I'm skeptical that Hamas' recognition of Israel would change anything. I don't think that Israel (or anyone, frankly) cares about such empty gestures. The Palestinian Authority recognizes Israel's right to exist, but it isn't any closer to gaining independence from Israel.

    Also, why are the Palestinians under any legal obligation to recognize Israel's right to exist? Where does international law require countries to recognize each others' indefinite continuance into eternity?




    If you're referring to Brzezinski, I referenced him because I wanted to quote a non-partisan observer that couldn't be accused of having Hamas sympathies. And he was more than a staffer; he was an influential strategist who made the case that its unconditional support for Israeli foreign policy threatens American geopolitical interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    The war between Palestinians and Israel is religious. @xerx would have you not believe that because it makes his argument more simple. He's Marxist who hates the west. He uses the Palestinian people as his talking point.

    All the dead in Syria and other places with real genocide will haunt him.
    This massacre of the Palestinians—this plausible genocide—is going to haunt the people who excused it. They'll have a permanent stain on their conscience. Their recorded statements, thanks to television and social media, will be visible for their grandchildren to see, and the epithet of "denier" will appear on their Wikipedia pages.



    Also, I'm not a Marxist, and I don't hate the West (and Marxists don't even necessarily hate the West).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    Hehe. I am neither Palestinian nor a Jew. And neither do I lump everyone from the same nationality, ethnicity, or religion in the same group, like a narrow-minded, genocide applauding asshole such as yourself would. Furthermore, the few jews that I know are on the same side on this issue as I am. And there is only one right and just side to be, same as when the Holocaust happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    This massacre of the Palestinians—this plausible genocide—is going to haunt the people who excused it. They'll have a permanent stain on their conscience. Their recorded statements, thanks to television and social media, will be visible for their grandchildren to see, and the epithet of "denier" will appear on their Wikipedia pages.



    Also, I'm not a Marxist, and I don't hate the West (and Marxists don't even necessarily hate the West).
    There is no genocide. There is war. Everything will be seen. You're right. A population that increases despite "genocide"

    Go find some real research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I don't know what you saw, but no -- "they" don't believe in martyring their children in this obscene manner. Almost no human being wants their children to be murdered. What you wrote is straight-up dehumanizing propaganda, and anyone who believes it is a racist.
    Well she literally posted a video of that event, so you're just making a fool out of yourself here. She also posted video with children of all ages in a school being trained to fight Israel, carrying guns / talking about martyrdom and reciting Jew hatred, and I posted a long form interview with the Son of Hamas who says outright that was the attitude of the adults he was with, and it's what he was taught to do and to believe from his childhood.
    I'm sure there's variance to the degree to which this is promoted in different subcultures within Palestine, but that's another matter - this sort of thing is definitely happening. And how many suicide bombers are required to kill hundreds of innocent people? Not many. If Iran were ever to supply Hamas with a nuclear weapon how many suicidal Jihadis would be required to detonate it? Not many at all. When suicidal martyrdom is being encouraged by a countries government that is a serious problem.
    And infact the problem looks to be quite widespread in the culture, looking at the polling data on general attitudes. This is the population that elected Hamas, after all.
    Propagandist slogans, even the really strong ones like "racist!", are just not enough when there is video and testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    This massacre of the Palestinians—this plausible genocide—is going to haunt the people who excused it. They'll have a permanent stain on their conscience. Their recorded statements, thanks to television and social media, will be visible for their grandchildren to see, and the epithet of "denier" will appear on their Wikipedia pages.



    Also, I'm not a Marxist, and I don't hate the West (and Marxists don't even necessarily hate the West).
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    All those elite liberal art students. Pro Palestine! Let's go @xerx



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    >drunk, middle aged woman with a failed existence rambles around with her hate-filled doggy friend about why killing civillians is the right and just thing to do. - the thread

    I think the interesting thing to me is that xerx would probably be someone that would have hidden jews from the nazis back then, but people without a soul and conscience aren't capable of seeing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    If you ever wondered how the Holocaust happened? People like @xerx.
    this person is just too dumb to see it. there's nothing you can really do except to accept that some people are just really miserable human beings
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    I think the interesting thing to me is that xerx would probably be someone that would have hidden jews from the nazis back then, but people without a soul and conscience aren't capable of seeing that.
    You would have needed to oppose the allies bombing of Germany and mass killing of German civilians to be consistent with your current position. And back then you would have been widely mocked for that viewpoint. Now that we have Marxist leftist institutions and a brainwashed culture it's a different matter, but back then the US population would not have stood for this anti-patriotism, which is based in a deeply impractical stupidity. Though in actual fact you would never have held such a position, because it would not have been trendy back then - you're a feeble minded person, you didn't come up with your worldview it was provided for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    >drunk, middle aged woman with a failed existence rambles around with her hate-filled doggy friend about why killing civillians is the right and just thing to do. - the thread
    this person is just too dumb to see it. there's nothing you can really do except to accept that some people are just really miserable human beings
    The fact this sloppy babble is your mental summary of this conversation is just a testament to your complete lack of thinking ability or reading comprehension. And every time you join the conversation it is immediately brought down into the most mindless name calling and self congratulation, literally I cannot beg you hard enough to follow the conversation or use your brain for 2 seconds. I think everything you have said at any point in this conversation has been addressed 4 different times in a comprehensive way, and at no point have you ever contended with any of that rationale regarding your arguments, at all... just completely ignored it and repeated the same thing again, and again...

    For example, there have been long winded posts talking about just war theory. It's also been pointed out repeatedly that your position implies an absolutist anti-war position, which is patently absurd and untenable - and is a position that no one takes seriously anywhere. I have never heard a single word from you addressing any of these problems with your position, just seen you come back and mindlessly repeat it again. If your goal is to promote yourself as a beacon of human virtue you are failing, intentional ignorance is not a sign of virtue.

    But... I can sense it, I said something to you and now you're about to respond with more stupid, pointless, irrelevant shit. Not going to address any of the points raised, none of it at all. Absolutely no critical thought in your empty head at all.
    I hereby revoke your right to ever call anyone dumb in this thread. Not even the dumb people that agree with you are you allowed to call dumb, because you are dumber than all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    >drunk, middle aged woman with a failed existence rambles around with her hate-filled doggy friend about why killing civillians is the right and just thing to do. - the thread

    I think the interesting thing to me is that xerx would probably be someone that would have hidden jews from the nazis back then, but people without a soul and conscience aren't capable of seeing that.



    this person is just too dumb to see it. there's nothing you can really do except to accept that some people are just really miserable human beings
    You really are the worst. I talk to the most intelligent people on Twitter. You're a joke on this website. You're a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogOfDanger View Post
    The fact this sloppy babble is your mental summary this conversation is just a testament to your complete lack of thinking ability or reading comprehension. And every time you join the conversation it is immediately brought down into the most mindless name calling and self congratulation, literally I cannot beg you hard enough to follow the conversation or use your brain for 2 seconds. I think everything you have said at any point in this conversation has been addressed 4 different times in a comprehensive way, and at no point have you ever contended with any of that rationale regarding your arguments, at all... just completely ignored it and repeated the same thing again, and again...

    For example, there have been long winded posts talking about just war theory. It's also been pointed out repeatedly that your position implies an absolutist anti-war position, which is patently absurd and untenable. I have never heard a single word from you addressing any of these problems with your position, just seen you come back and mindlessly repeat it again. If your goal is to promote yourself as a beacon of human virtue you are failing, intentional stupidity is not a sign of virtue.

    But... I can sense it, I said something to you and now you're about to respond with more stupid, pointless, irrelevant shit. Not going to address any of the points raised, none of it at all. Absolutely no critical thought in your empty head at all.
    I hereby revoke your right to ever call anyone dumb in this thread. Not even the dumb people that agree with you are you allowed to call dumb, because you are dumber than all of them.
    I just don't even see a point in engaging with a dipshit like you and chriscorey who literally spams this thread with countless of pointless videos while chugging down another bottle to fill the empty void where her soul is. I guess that's why she needs to bring up IQ everywhere, the magic number that gives her pointless existence at least some form of value, oh and she also needs to tell a random stranger how big her son's dick is. absolutely comical person. you're just another idiot. the protests are gaining more and more attention. there's really no benefit in talking to you two clowns that write ten messages before I can even reply again. go lecture a spam bot again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    I just don't even see a point in engaging with a dipshit like you and chriscorey who literally spams this thread with countless of pointless videos while chugging down another bottle to fill the empty void where her soul is. I guess that's why she needs to bring up IQ everywhere, the magic number that gives her pointless existence at least some form of value, oh and she also needs to tell a random stranger how big her son's dick is. absolutely comical person. you're just another idiot. the protests are gaining more and more attention. there's really no benefit in talking to you two clowns that write ten messages before I can even reply again. go lecture a spam bot again.
    You're a mindless hive mind piece of shit. I don't care what you think of me. Your Germany idiot just almost got lynched in Palistine for trying to help.

    At least my country will take Palestinians into our country. You worthless cunt.
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    I suspect she's just hoping, sometimes even begging that you will muster a critical thought and contend with what is actually being discussed... and yet every single time is let down. Even when the evidence seems so clear, literally video evidence is provided, multiple credible witnesses, even Hamas's own words in their own charter, the most simple logic, so obvious that even a 3rd grader could figure it out... no, no sign of any recognition of the information... complete denial of it, just more babble. It is just astounding and hard for people who do not suffer from your particular form of mental retardation to wrap their minds around. So we just gawk at it, and try again to explain, and witness again the attempt fail and go ignored... and we remain baffled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    You're a mindless hive mind piece of shit. I don't care what you think of me. Your Germany idiot just almost got lynched in Palistine for trying to help.

    At least my country will take Palestinians into our country. You worthless cunt.
    I feel a certain relief that your life is so miserable. both you and dangerofdogshit have hijacked this thread so much you don't even comprehend that there are other users here who refrain from sharing their perspective because by the time someone else can post you have already posted 5 videos in drunken state again. your whole existence is just a joke.
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    You don't really have a unique perspective, you saw a position propagating in the culture and parroted it. A parrot doesn't understand english, neither do you have a unique perspective. There is no logical core to your thought process that could make up what could be called a "unique perspective", I have searched and probed for it, it is not there.

    And people have been practically begging you to make anything that resembles a logical point and you have been unable to do so. What you want to do is assert your position without any need to justify it with reason, and that is just not happening, the world is under no obligation to accommodate your loopy poorly formed ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    I feel a certain relief that your life is so miserable. both you and dangerofdogshit have hijacked this thread so much you don't even comprehend that there are other users here who refrain from sharing their perspective because by the time someone else can post you have already posted 5 videos in drunken state again. your whole existence is just a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    I just don't even see a point in engaging with a dipshit like you and chriscorey who literally spams this thread with countless of pointless videos.
    The first step in learning to think is not to assert yourself, it is to find the truth of the matter, or approach it at least. You must remain able to integrate information, which means being somewhat flexible and capable of emotionally coping with being wrong. That enables you to refine your position and apply reasoning, and contend with alternative reasoning. Over time your reasoning will flesh out... then you will be able to articulate your viewpoint, and assert yourself, and dispense with wrong viewpoints. Instead what you aim to do is hold steadfast in mindless dogma, and block out facts about reality... dogma that makes you feel good, dogma you inherited from trends in society - it is a kind of anti-thinking that you have.
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    "Jewish women are too ugly to get raped"

    This is among other shit I see on Twitter.
    Alive you are a sick fuck.


    I see your people.

    You know nothing of the Holocaust you wannabe nazi.

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    I create one post and already 20 minutes later I'm confronted with 4 more posts by 2 zionists that have hijacked this thread with videos of X Men (fucking lol). Somehow opposing the bombing of civillians makes you a nazi now.

    Carry onward!
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    Quote Originally Posted by on a peaceful hiatus View Post
    I create one post and already 20 minutes later I'm confronted with 4 more posts by 2 zionists that have hijacked this thread with videos of X Men (fucking lol). Somehow opposing the bombing of civillians makes you a nazi now.

    Carry onward!
    Who are you arguing with? You're so stupid you don't know we want peace with both Palestine and Israel. X-Men made a movie that allowed us moderates to enjoy revenge. We couldn't save the Jews. We wanted to.

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