The blueprint for ennea and sociotypes are animals

[lavos]

In most people, there are three animals combined: one for the sociotype, another for the enneatype, and another for the stacking. This can be appreciated in behavior. This can also be appreciated in VI to the keen eye.


There are implications if this is true, that I won't bother discussing unless asked.

[Muira]

At first, it seemed like a good idea. But you have to first think about how all animals actually act in whatever way that is most beneficial for their survival as most animals don't have complex societies like ours that allows for the existence of sensitive individuals that cannot tolerate violence or any injustice. Which humans are still animals at the end of the day, meaning we revert to our animistic ways when we regress.

it doesn't seem practical to see weaker Se users surviving alone without a functioning society, that's because without any order or security, Se becomes a function that is vital. Society allows people who are lets say blind or too sensitive to violence have a possibility of surviving and be able to embrace their other talents that can be useful in a society, thus become valued at least.

For enneagrams, connecting it to animals would be more of an interpretation thing that is tied to the meaning we assign to these animals, which is usually subjective.

So enneagrams and socionics are still based on people for the most part, as our personalities are highly diverse and with a society that gives space for a lot more personality types to develop.

Even still, we are barely educated or know the surface of our own psychology, and barely even understand other animals other than their instinctual basics that we both share.

[anotherperson]

i think it might be impossible. we assume that we are the smartest animal. but animals might have Xi and Xe functions we can't even comprehend. or enneatype 10w9 or something.

[Muira]

i think it might be impossible. we assume that we are the smartest animal. but animals might have Xi and Xe functions we can't even comprehend. or enneatype 10w9 or something.

Indeed, animals do function in a much more different way than us, they can sense things we can't, etc. To really restrict or assume their psychology would be 100% or even 70% like us wouldn't be something we should do, like octopi tend to be very smart and vary in personality, but their lives are too short to have meaningful ambitions like us, but could they? We have no idea because we don't know animals that well, not more than how they act in terms of instinct. We aren't even sure if animals have personalities that shift and change like ours.

So how could we really base a system that is rigid and defined on something we lack so much knowledge on? Unless it wasn't based on animals, but the archetypes that are assigned to animals that we subjectively assign based on cultures, etc. Which really wouldn't be basing archetypes on actual animals, even if they were, they were archetypes that were seen in humans first.

[lavos]

Some examples (since the op seems to not have been properly understood)

SLE-Se and 8w9 (one of the forms, because there can be multiple. I think several for sociotype, and 2 for enneatype — one for each subwing) are a Bear.

LIE-Te and 7w8 (sw?) are a Tiger.

4w3sw3w2 (? Not too sure about subwings yet) is a Swan

4w3sw5w4 is a Leopard

SLE-Ti can be a Cobra, a Crocodile, or a Hedgehog.

It goes like this.

It can be seen VI wise in the appeareance of the individual, and also in concept and behavior (iow. The person looks and acts like a bear/tiger, etc).