So my 1 year anniversary came and went

[Gilly]

Somehow that reply doesn't entice me to try too hard.

Then by all means, don't bother.

[Gilly]

plus, i mean, god, "permanent sensory and emotional recharge" pretty much describes you.

I'd say "discharge" would be more accurate.

[Dioklecian]

I don't have any money, and even if I did, it wouldn't be wasted on self-discovery (at least not this kind :wink: )

You can convince me with a good solid argument about functional manifestation, and perhaps a few dichotomies thrown in.

By the way, I think I have found your type. (alas, not ESFJ, they much more simple than you and more malicious and what others think ofthem is rule numero uno for them).

[Gilly]

I don't have any money, and even if I did, it wouldn't be wasted on self-discovery (at least not this kind :wink: )

You can convince me with a good solid argument about functional manifestation, and perhaps a few dichotomies thrown in.

By the way, I think I have found your type. (alas, not ESFJ, they much more simple than you and more malicious and what others think ofthem is rule numero uno for them).

So you've found my type? Should I go get my credit card number, or are you in a charitable mood?

[Dioklecian]

Credit card sounds good. I just came back from prayer meeting in which these evil things were done to me:


1-An ISTJ whom I like and lieks me was not there because her ESFJ sister doen't like me

2-An ESTJ that I like was made to dislike me by my ESFP "friend" who is married

3-An ENFJ has somehow developed a dislike for me and makes everyone dislike me if she can get them to including her entire family with whom I had great relationships before.

4-The meating leader, ENFJ, looks for tiny bad things in me so that he can feel superior to me.

5-An ENTJ has develpped a liking (not reciprocated) for my ISTJ and so he dislikes me.

6-An ESFP who developed a (unrequited) crush about me now hates me.

[cracka]

Credit card sounds good. I just came back from prayer meeting in which these evil things were done to me:

1-An ISTJ whom I like and lieks me was not there because her ESFJ sister doen't like me
2-An ESTJ that I like was made to dislike me by my ESFP "friend" who is married
3-An ENFJ has somehow developed a dislike for me and makes everyone dislike me if she can get them to including her entire family with whom I had great relationships before.
4-The meating leader, ENFJ, looks for tiny bad things in me so that he can feel superior to me.
5-An ENTJ has develpped a liking (not reciprocated) for my ISTJ and so he dislikes me.
6-An ESFP who developed a (unrequited) crush about me now hates me.

all this happened at, of all things, A Prayer meeting?

[Dioklecian]

Credit card sounds good. I just came back from prayer meeting in which these evil things were done to me:

1-An ISTJ whom I like and lieks me was not there because her ESFJ sister doen't like me
2-An ESTJ that I like was made to dislike me by my ESFP "friend" who is married
3-An ENFJ has somehow developed a dislike for me and makes everyone dislike me if she can get them to including her entire family with whom I had great relationships before.
4-The meating leader, ENFJ, looks for tiny bad things in me so that he can feel superior to me.
5-An ENTJ has develpped a liking (not reciprocated) for my ISTJ and so he dislikes me.
6-An ESFP who developed a (unrequited) crush about me now hates me.

all this happened at, of all things, A Prayer meeting?

Exactly.

[Gilly]

I was being quite sarcastic. Your mention of religion in such close proximity to your greed makes me laugh.

To make it explicit: I'm not going to pay you (for crying out loud! ), but I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion.

[Dioklecian]

I was being quite sarcastic. Your mention of religion in such close proximity to your greed makes me laugh.

To make it explicit: I'm not going to pay you (for crying out loud! ), but I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion.

Well, if I can convince you, how much would you be willing to part with?

As to prayer meeting, many of the meeting revolve around our monetary contribution for the spiritual salvation.

[Gilly]

I told you before, I have nothing to part with But if you REALLY DO convince me, I could see my way around to offering some kind of reward or service, should I have anything that you want/need.

[Dioklecian]

I told you before, I have nothing to part with But if you REALLY DO convince me, I could see my way around to offering some kind of reward or service, should I have anything that you want/need.

How do you buy your pot? 100 bucks?

[cracka]

I was being quite sarcastic. Your mention of religion in such close proximity to your greed makes me laugh.

To make it explicit: I'm not going to pay you (for crying out loud! ), but I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion.

Well, if I can convince you, how much would you be willing to part with?

As to prayer meeting, many of the meeting revolve around our monetary contribution for the spiritual salvation.

dude, I can save you for less...how much salvation are you in need of...I can arrange payments if you'd like. I tell ya what...i'll take 10% off of what you're contribution is already...so you're saving money...NOW, you don't have to go to this "prayer meeting" and have any of this shit happen to ya...

Think about it, I get paid, you get saved, and everyone's happy...cuz all the people there will have nothing to talk about or "not like" since you won't be there. Everybody's a winner.
As Will Shatner says "show me the money."

or option # 2 for you...
get me on a plane to come visit, take me to the "prayer meeting" and I will just run around kicking all the guys in the nuts and telling all the women how ugly and mean they are. Unless you still like one of course, then i'll say that you're the best fella i've ever known and set up a date for ya. Just let me know how much you're willing to part with.

[Gilly]

I told you before, I have nothing to part with But if you REALLY DO convince me, I could see my way around to offering some kind of reward or service, should I have anything that you want/need.

How do you buy your pot? 100 bucks?

I don't get it any more. Friends hook me up until I can afford to hook them up. That's how it works :wink:

[Animal]

I'll tell you your type for the dowry of your eldest daughter (not the daughter, just the dowry), three hens, a rooster, your finest milking cow, and a peach cobbler.

[cracka]

I'll tell you your type for the dowry of your eldest daughter (not the daughter, just the dowry), three hens, a rooster, your finest milking cow, and a peach cobbler.

mmmm, peach cobbler.

this sounds like a good deal Gilligan...

[Gilly]

Eldest daughter? Hmmm...I may have to consider; I don't wanna deal with female puberty if it's at all avoidable. But you have to take her.

[aestrivex]

i'll give you a type prediction in exchange for one (1) 3/32'' philips head screwdriver. i'll even throw in free delivery! (sorry, no COD. you must be 18 years or older to purchase. express shipment available. have your credit card ready.)

[Dioklecian]

I was being quite sarcastic. Your mention of religion in such close proximity to your greed makes me laugh.

To make it explicit: I'm not going to pay you (for crying out loud! ), but I wouldn't mind hearing your opinion.

Well, if I can convince you, how much would you be willing to part with?

As to prayer meeting, many of the meeting revolve around our monetary contribution for the spiritual salvation.

dude, I can save you for less...how much salvation are you in need of...I can arrange payments if you'd like. I tell ya what...i'll take 10% off of what you're contribution is already...so you're saving money...NOW, you don't have to go to this "prayer meeting" and have any of this shit happen to ya...

Think about it, I get paid, you get saved, and everyone's happy...cuz all the people there will have nothing to talk about or "not like" since you won't be there. Everybody's a winner.
As Will Shatner says "show me the money."

or option # 2 for you...
get me on a plane to come visit, take me to the "prayer meeting" and I will just run around kicking all the guys in the nuts and telling all the women how ugly and mean they are. Unless you still like one of course, then i'll say that you're the best fella i've ever known and set up a date for ya. Just let me know how much you're willing to part with.

A couple of grands would be fine with me

[Gilly]

Ok, ok, enough. Back on topic, please.

[UDP]

INFP
Socionic Perspective: The Lyricist
Mood

wacky, goofy, dreamy; clown; interested in people’s inner life and where people are going with their emotional life

You may have typed yourself correctly in your sig.

You are NOT an INTj, and I don't know why you thought I was INFp for so long.

You entirely mistook my intentions in approaching you. The INFp thing, if you haven't figured it out by now, was a poke at heath for his comments about my friend and I.

No, I doubt I would ever figure that out. I don't really read the "the16types.info" tabloids extensively at all. My bad.

[implied]

can you tell us about your incredible absent-mindedness?

[Gilly]

No, I doubt I would ever figure that out. I don't really read the "the16types.info" tabloids extensively at all. My bad.

I was not implying any sort of imperative for you to do so. Apologies if I seemed condescending/negative.

[Gilly]

My absent-mindedness is characterized by:

-My propensity to forget to do things until the very last minute
-My propensity (failing the first) to completely forget to do things
-My spacy/day-dreamer nature

I'll think of more later?

[Creepy-aurora_faerie]

My absent-mindedness is characterized by:

-My propensity to forget to do things until the very last minute
-My propensity (failing the first) to completely forget to do things
-My spacy/day-dreamer nature

I'll think of more later?

err =/

[Gilly]

I dunno. Implied asked =\

[Kim]

Ok, ridicule me all you want, tell me you don't trust my typing, but do muster some Ne before you read this and remember that we are not clones of type descriptions and slaves of our functions. Also, this won't be as technical and theoretical as many of you would like. I am NeFi after all. This is purely subjective, fabulously NeFi, and an ENFp's point of view. Enjoy!

*drumroll*

Gilligan is ENFp


The history: at first when he visciously posted pictures of dead baby seals I thought (admittedly biased) "damn Fi PoLR." My apologies, I did not know better at the time. He is most certainly extroverted, definitely intuitive and without a doubt Ne-dominant. He got on my nerves with his erratic temper and aggressive outbursts over (seemingly) nothing ("Jeez, dude, get a grip. Not everyone is after you!). I was in denial that I was/am not that much different. ENFps with a temper (yes, they do exist). Then I started talking to him more and there was a side that was so freakingly familiar. I just got this weird identical vibe. As if looking at a 20-year-old me.

Most importantly, whenever I needed advice or was really low or such, he ALWAYS said the exact right thing. I mean, this guy seriously saved my sanity on occasions. And he offered to be of help. I think the first time we had a conversation about a serious issue I was dealing with, he asked me first if everything is ok without me saying anything (if I remember correctly). You might not believe it, but he has an uncanny ability of assessing people and their behavior and emotions. BUT only when he is not emotionally involved - ENFp or what? And I don't think I have ever seriously disagreed with his assessments. When I whined to him in crisis, he knew exactly where I was coming from, where I needed to go, why I said the things I said and especially he was aware of the things I didn't say. And most importantly: he responded to me the same freaking way I respond to people in crisis. That was NeFi at its finest. And I would know, wouldn't I? If Gilly has an Fi-PoLR, then I do, too.

Here is the thing: he says (I think) he often does not know how people perceive him and is not good at maintaining stable relationships. It is fabulously ENFp to not know how people perceive you. ENFps understand how people perceive and interact with other people. But young ENFps, possibly even in a new environment? Forget it. There is a thread in delta where a number of ENFps agreed with that. That is not necessarily an Fi PoLR, but paranoid NeFi. Happens to me all the time. As for stability and chaos, ENFps are just as erratic as ENTps. Our lives are chaotic and Ne generates a million idea. That is not ENTp-specific.

As for Ti, Gilly is perfectly capable of using Ti logic. But it is a freaking myth that ENFps are not capable. It is just not what we necessarily like best. But there are ENFp math teachers, thus there are exceptions. I have been quite successful in teaching argument using logical reasoning and enjoy it. But Gilly's primary function in genuine communication is not Ti. Look at how defensive he gets when his logic gets criticized. I used to be the exact same way. I think that since ENFps are so eager to learn and open to learning new things, intelligent and ambitious ENFps come to terms with the Ti PoLR and do Ti things. I hated math in school, but I did very well in my advanced statistics course at uni. As long as Ti is tied to Te, we can handle Ti and tackle it for the greater good (hehe). Look at ann. That woman seems to be using Ti all over the place, eh?

In his assessment of people, Gilligan never gets defensive. Or perhaps I have missed something. Remember, the PoLR means that you avoid criticism. You hate it. It hurts. I don't think Gilly cares much about criticism in Fi-related matters. I see it all the time, however, when it comes to his Ti-driven concepts. I think it is a good example of how the PoLR can work: you can use that function and you can even enjoy it, but you generally remain unsure of it. And you might want to overcompensate, which I think he might be doing around here, pulling off the ENTp. One sure sign? He talks about being logical or other people not being logical an awful lot, hehe. Well, so does Fabie. Nevermind then.

Remember that around here, you have to come up with boring abstract models to be deemed intelligent. Peer pressure in alpha land is what I call Gilly's eagerness to use Ti. He does not at all feel defensive about Fi stuff. He reacts emotionally to assessments of his own person by others when it's unfavorable, which again is paranoid NeFi in my mind, not Fi as PoLR.

The way he reacted to someone being bashed in the chat one day was very ENFp: trying to help out the one bashed. It hurt him to watch it and he asked people to stop. When it all got worse and he realized he couldn't do anything, he left. When ENFp sees people in emotional pain, they want it to stop and ask people to stop. They often will not stick around to watch it because it HURTS. And Gilly knew in this particular situation that it was not mindless idiotic bashing, but extremely hurtful for the person in question. And for him. I don't ever see ENTps react like that.

He gets as bitchy as I get when people don't get things and act as if I am stupid when I know I am right. Again, mostly in Ti-related situations.

Something I wrote to him:

I think the reason why you go back and forth is peer pressure and a desire to conform and belong. Insecure young ENFp who has not yet really found his space. I was wondering why I never did that, but it's because I had a very close, solid group of friends.

I think in times of personal crisis, your Ne goes wacko and you don't trust your relationship with people anymore and when your feeling get trampled over, you get equally paranoid.

In the thread asking "what disgusts you the most," Gilly replied:

Morally/Personally: people who repress emotion/empathy or intentionally inflict pain (psychological or physical) on others

Another thread asking "What sort of event upsets you the most"?

Depression, in myself or another.

Now, come on.

Interacting with Gilligan one on one to me feels like interacting with an identical.

If ENTp, Gilligan would be my comparative:

These are relations of deceptive similarity. Comparative partners talk about similar things, have similar interests, obey the norms of politeness and hospitality towards each other but they never really show an interest in each others problems.

Comparative partners look at the same questions from very different angles. One partner feels as if the other is in their opinion trying to solve the same problem in an impractical manner.

When Comparative partners ask each other for advice, the adviser often finds their own advice quite useful for themselves. As a result the person who asked for advice usually leaves with nothing. Comparative partners may view each other as selfish and egoistic, however they do not try to clarify this point to each other.

No, not at all.

Ok, there is more, but I will leave it at that. Have fun with it. Sell me Gilly's Fi PoLR!

And don't you dare question my type! :wink:

[Gilly]

Who voted ENFj/ISTp/INTp/INFp? Any cases/arguments, or are these joke votes?

[aestrivex]

that's an excellently reasoned response, particularly the part about confidence in Fi matters. Ti polr would make all the sense in the world in terms of gilligan's apparent confidence in VI (where i suspect a Ti type would see absolutely no evidence for his findings, which might not necessarily translate to an Fi type) and his "restructuring" of several key terms of socionics.

i'm definitely convinced by that.

[Gilly]

Oh, and thank you, Kim

[aestrivex]

Who voted ENFj/ISTp/INTp/INFp? Any cases/arguments, or are these joke votes?

yes, i voted ISTp as a joke vote because i had no real opinion.

[Kim]

Oh, and thank you, Kim

You are most welcome!


Oh, and I forgot V.I.:
ENFp (bright smile and all)

edit to add:
And most definitely EP temperament.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

Who voted ENFj/ISTp/INTp/INFp? Any cases/arguments, or are these joke votes?

I was the first ENFj vote. I wanted to vote something beta, partly because you said something that annoyed me shortly before creating the poll so I was trying to annoy you back, but INFp - no, and not ESTp either, and certainly not ISTj, so ENFj it was. Doesn't exactly fit, but you could stretch it a bit here and there, modify the corners, dress it up, add a bit here, take some from there, and voila! perfect fit.

<3 Diana. You annoy me too, sometimes, but I think we'll both live

[Elro]

I'd like to change my vote.

It has come to my attention that this fellow we have come to know as "Gilligan" (a subtle play on the old television show Gilligan's Island, no doubt) is actually a warrior from outer space, who (after participating in a faraway battle of galactic proportions) took damage to his ship's gaussian hyperthrusters and was forced to make an emergency landing on Earth. Stranded, he was forced to scour the Earth for lodestones and duct tape to repair his ship's propulsion system. However, at some point he came across human civilization and the internet. Since the rest of the galaxy actually had never invented such a thing, he became fascinated. And so he learned English and discovered Socionics and then this forum. (These aliens have accelerated learning curves, which perhaps explains their lack of the internet - they haven't yet needed one.)

I believe he doesn't have a type, because one of this alien race's abilities is the power to transform one's personality by snapping one's fingers four times. Hence, he is all types and none at once.

Also, he can shapeshift.

[Dioklecian]

I'd like to change my vote.

It has come to my attention that this fellow we have come to know as "Gilligan" (a subtle play on the old television show Gilligan's Island, no doubt) is actually a warrior from outer space, who (after participating in a faraway battle of galactic proportions) took damage to his ship's gaussian hyperthrusters and was forced to make an emergency landing on Earth. Stranded, he was forced to scour the Earth for lodestones and duct tape to repair his ship's propulsion system. However, at some point he came across human civilization and the internet. Since the rest of the galaxy actually had never invented such a thing, he became fascinated. And so he learned English and discovered Socionics and then this forum. (These aliens have accelerated learning curves, which perhaps explains their lack of the internet - they haven't yet needed one.)

I believe he doesn't have a type, because one of this alien race's abilities is the power to transform one's personality by snapping one's fingers four times. Hence, he is all types and none at once.

Also, he can shapeshift.

Actually, this description might not be that far fetched, if you are making reference to Calvin and Hobbes that is.

[Mea]

I'd like to change my vote.

It has come to my attention that this fellow we have come to know as "Gilligan" (a subtle play on the old television show Gilligan's Island, no doubt) is actually a warrior from outer space, who (after participating in a faraway battle of galactic proportions) took damage to his ship's gaussian hyperthrusters and was forced to make an emergency landing on Earth. Stranded, he was forced to scour the Earth for lodestones and duct tape to repair his ship's propulsion system. However, at some point he came across human civilization and the internet. Since the rest of the galaxy actually had never invented such a thing, he became fascinated. And so he learned English and discovered Socionics and then this forum. (These aliens have accelerated learning curves, which perhaps explains their lack of the internet - they haven't yet needed one.)

I believe he doesn't have a type, because one of this alien race's abilities is the power to transform one's personality by snapping one's fingers four times. Hence, he is all types and none at once.

Also, he can shapeshift.

Umm, I'm still not convinced that Gilligan's ENFp. > <
He doesn't come across as ENFp from his posts.
I dunno... I didnt vote. > <

[Gilly]

I'd like to change my vote.

It has come to my attention that this fellow we have come to know as "Gilligan" (a subtle play on the old television show Gilligan's Island, no doubt) is actually a warrior from outer space, who (after participating in a faraway battle of galactic proportions) took damage to his ship's gaussian hyperthrusters and was forced to make an emergency landing on Earth. Stranded, he was forced to scour the Earth for lodestones and duct tape to repair his ship's propulsion system. However, at some point he came across human civilization and the internet. Since the rest of the galaxy actually had never invented such a thing, he became fascinated. And so he learned English and discovered Socionics and then this forum. (These aliens have accelerated learning curves, which perhaps explains their lack of the internet - they haven't yet needed one.)

I believe he doesn't have a type, because one of this alien race's abilities is the power to transform one's personality by snapping one's fingers four times. Hence, he is all types and none at once.

Also, he can shapeshift.

Actually, this description might not be that far fetched, if you are making reference to Calvin and Hobbes that is.

So I'm INFp now, eh? :wink: Been there, done that.

[Dioklecian]

I'd like to change my vote.

It has come to my attention that this fellow we have come to know as "Gilligan" (a subtle play on the old television show Gilligan's Island, no doubt) is actually a warrior from outer space, who (after participating in a faraway battle of galactic proportions) took damage to his ship's gaussian hyperthrusters and was forced to make an emergency landing on Earth. Stranded, he was forced to scour the Earth for lodestones and duct tape to repair his ship's propulsion system. However, at some point he came across human civilization and the internet. Since the rest of the galaxy actually had never invented such a thing, he became fascinated. And so he learned English and discovered Socionics and then this forum. (These aliens have accelerated learning curves, which perhaps explains their lack of the internet - they haven't yet needed one.)

I believe he doesn't have a type, because one of this alien race's abilities is the power to transform one's personality by snapping one's fingers four times. Hence, he is all types and none at once.

Also, he can shapeshift.

Actually, this description might not be that far fetched, if you are making reference to Calvin and Hobbes that is.

So I'm INFp now, eh? :wink: Been there, done that.

Why INFP?

[Gilly]

I'd like to change my vote.

It has come to my attention that this fellow we have come to know as "Gilligan" (a subtle play on the old television show Gilligan's Island, no doubt) is actually a warrior from outer space, who (after participating in a faraway battle of galactic proportions) took damage to his ship's gaussian hyperthrusters and was forced to make an emergency landing on Earth. Stranded, he was forced to scour the Earth for lodestones and duct tape to repair his ship's propulsion system. However, at some point he came across human civilization and the internet. Since the rest of the galaxy actually had never invented such a thing, he became fascinated. And so he learned English and discovered Socionics and then this forum. (These aliens have accelerated learning curves, which perhaps explains their lack of the internet - they haven't yet needed one.)

I believe he doesn't have a type, because one of this alien race's abilities is the power to transform one's personality by snapping one's fingers four times. Hence, he is all types and none at once.

Also, he can shapeshift.

Actually, this description might not be that far fetched, if you are making reference to Calvin and Hobbes that is.

So I'm INFp now, eh? :wink: Been there, done that.

Why INFP?

I always thought of Calvin and Hobbes as a very INFp comic.

[Dioklecian]

Hobbes is INFP I think, but the comic, in my opinion, is the type that you are (in my opinion)