on america's political future... one world government or a 10 year or longer return to warren g harding/calvin coolidge style republicanism?

[Disturbed]

i try not to think about politics too much anymore, but ever since obama became president-elect and with his extension of global corporate and american state power, i've thought paleoconservatism, the reduction of the american government at home and abroad was going to be in the future and that people were ultimately going to be united by their country, that they were ultimately more loyal to their own, and not globalism... vast majority of my closest friends (they were even more conservative and pro-american than i was) opposed obama (i did until i saw what a fraudulent republican w. mitt romney was and how ron paul had a chance against obama had he made it to the general), and i knew they were smarter, more practical than most of his biggest supporters.

i personally think when steve bannon started his paleoconservative, right wing populist strategy, he was realistic and that would be the future of the right (rather than militarism) and eventually a large part of the world. i always questioned/doubted when people said "after fdr, there is no going back", "you can't do isolationism", "the elites will control the government forever"... i still think it's mostly possible and a global government/world dictatorship/world monarchy can be successfully argued against, at least much of the world, especially the u.s.a. not participating in it. i also think marine le pen, or at least her party, has a chance in the future. i know she's lost 3 times, but i still think it's possible for her or her party to win and the idiotic ideology of globalism to go down in flames, and the consistency of national boundaries being restored and respected and even liberty and decentralism within those.

i don't say this at all out of hate for other countries i've always loved japan for example, but i do love the ideas of national borders and decentralization of political power within my own, and my government not going out of its borders. just so much freedom, so much comfort, so much respect for life, such smart ideas.

whether you're pessimistic or optimistic about your position (and your opinions are welcome), what do you think is going to happen between the two? right now, i'm going to say i expect an at least 10 year return to the national borders and decentralist policies of the roaring 20s, more exits from the e.u. and am not going to go much into the disadvantages of centralization of political power right now, it's a lot to go into other than just saying the inevitable result--it backfires or at least is not very successful because it's really not very popular and the happiness of large majorities is really ultimately what wins out.

i don't like to talk much about politics anymore, yet this is one of my favorite topics within it.

[Muira]

I highly doubt there will be a one world order, especially with China screwing the world


I think the US will have internal conflict, avoiding Europe. Since Europe heavily relies on the USA for maintaining peace, Europe would likely get into heavy conflict sooner or later. Western world would likely collapse.

I can see a lot more happening, just not in the mood to talk about it.

[Enters Laughing]

Without the Electoral College, there's no essentially no prospect of future Republican presidents with the party in its current form.

Aside from the political system being somewhat dysfunctional, the future of the United States is likely very good.

[Muira]

Without the Electoral College, there's no essentially no prospect of future Republican presidents with the party in its current form.

Aside from the political system being somewhat dysfunctional, the future of the United States is likely very good.

I have to disagree, the crime rates are going up, there is a lot of turmoil and resentment between people(politically speaking) currently, there is something of a ridiculous culture war going on. Plus, inflation, exploitative congressmen who are sell outs to China, etc.

There is a lot going on, and I just wonder why can't people just be more willing to reach a common ground, be more reasonable and not fueled by fear. Fear limits people's reasonable logic and empathy.

[Enters Laughing]

I have to disagree, the crime rates are going up, there is a lot of turmoil and resentment between people(politically speaking) currently, there is something of a ridiculous culture war going on. Plus, inflation, exploitative congressmen who are sell outs to China, etc.

There is a lot going on, and I just wonder why can't people just be more willing to reach a common ground, be more reasonable and not fueled by fear. Fear limits people's reasonable logic and empathy.

Do you think there's a high probability of a civil war? I don't see it at the moment, I think the critical time has passed, and the military and intelligence services are too well organized and skilled for that to happen.

Inflation is a temporary thing. China has limited hard and soft power and has far worse problems than the USA.



I recommend watching Peter Zeihan's Youtube videos on China and the USA and geopolitics generally.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

One world order. Particularly if Trump is elected. He is a mouthpiece that could easily cause civil war, as well.

[Disturbed]

The more people talk about one world government, the more it scares me because it's so ridiculous--it would almost certainly have at least as many problems as the nation state.

I don't have great foresight, but within politics, I just think it's possible and desirable for America to start respecting all other national boundaries, recognizing it's own. I'm far from being a great long term thinker, but I just don't see the foreign interventionism, like the Iraq War, War in Libya, what Biden did in ukraine with the sanctions, etc., as being helpful to our national interests or anyone else... I think people are going to wake up and realize that and elect enough populist isolationist leaders. I just don't see how isolationism is all that unrealistic.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Do you think there's a high probability of a civil war? I don't see it at the moment, I think the critical time has passed, and the military and intelligence services are too well organized and skilled for that to happen.

Inflation is a temporary thing. China has limited hard and soft power and has far worse problems than the USA.



I recommend watching Peter Zeihan's Youtube videos on China and the USA and geopolitics generally.

There is a lot of money in telling people what they want to hear and telling them they're right to close their eyes. Footage of random shoddy construction work does not a falling empire make.

Or saying "firefighting is a foreign concept [in China]." Holy cow lol, didn't take five seconds of watching that video to hear something deranged.

Regarding the fearmongering about projected population decline: populations are always growing or declining. If China's population were expected to grow, do you seriously think the likes of Zeihan wouldn't be talking about how its growth was completely unsustainable, how they can't take of their own people now, and China would be destined for collapse because of population pressure? They absolutely would be saying it; they say today that that's the case, trying to have their cake and eat it too. Not to mention that for almost all world history, global population was under a billion; China has over twice that number living today. And also, even if depopulation will be so sudden and severe as that crowd claims, there's no reason it can't open its doors to immigration like Western countries do to hide plummeting birth rates.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I just don't see the foreign interventionism, like the Iraq War, War in Libya, what Biden did in ukraine with the sanctions, etc., as being helpful to our national interests or anyone else... I think people are going to wake up and realize that and elect enough populist isolationist leaders. I just don't see how isolationism is all that unrealistic.

They're helpful to the interests of the people who run the government. Millions of dollars go to weapons manufacturers with every shipment to Ukraine. Billions of dollars' worth of aid gets sent to Ukraine every few months, and who do you think makes the profit? The fact that you don't feel enriched by this is besides the point and doesn't matter; the people who do matter are satisfied with the state of things. And they aren't going to let a simple thing like voting get in the way of their interests.

[Enters Laughing]

There is a lot of money in telling people what they want to hear and telling them they're right to close their eyes. Footage of random shoddy construction work does not a falling empire make.

Or saying "firefighting is a foreign concept [in China]." Holy cow lol, didn't take five seconds of watching that video to hear something deranged.

Regarding the fearmongering about projected population decline: populations are always growing or declining. If China's population were expected to grow, do you seriously think the likes of Zeihan wouldn't be talking about how its growth was completely unsustainable, how they can't take of their own people now, and China would be destined for collapse because of population pressure? They absolutely would be saying it; they say today that that's the case, trying to have their cake and eat it too. Not to mention that for almost all world history, global population was under a billion; China has over twice that number living today. And also, even if depopulation will be so sudden and severe as that crowd claims, there's no reason it can't open its doors to immigration like Western countries do to hide plummeting birth rates.

It's unique in human history for large populations to have a fertility rate well below 2, and China's population has probably been significant overestimated too, especially amongst the younger age groups who are supposed to generate the next generation. That's unsustainable. Combined with migrants making up 0.1% of the population and a highly xenophobic nationalist mentality, it's difficult to see China's economic future being rosy unless robots save us all.

China's going to be in a situation where they have de-growth due to not enough young people raising children, and not enough young people to care for the elder generations.

China is also riddled with debt due to building pointless infrastructure at the regional government level, and its citizens are being riddled with debt paying off mortgages for homes worth less than they purchased them (that's separate from the issue of the infrastructure often being lousy).

The situation in China is worse than that too, because its official GDP is estimated to be have been inflated by up to 60% and Western companies are starting to move away or at least diversify away from China because they see China as too much of a risk for them (in terms of geopolitics as well as things like lack of human rights there and arbitrariness of the government).

China is not known for quality or innovation - it produces goods that could easily be produced in the West, it's just not economically productive to do so (it's better to produce jet engines, and let China produce paper airplanes essentially). China's population is officially about 60 times that of Taiwan's, but Taiwan represents 60% of the world's market share for producing semiconductors. China has similar nearby rivals with Japan and South Korea, despite them being much smaller in terms of population. India is now officially the world's largest country too and has better institutions than China for being the new factory of the world (if numerous countries together don't take that role), in terms of democracy, a stock exchange comparatively free of government interference, a respectable legal system etc.

[Muira]

It's unique in human history for large populations to have a fertility rate well below 2, and China's population has probably been significant overestimated too, especially amongst the younger age groups who are supposed to generate the next generation. That's unsustainable. Combined with migrants making up 0.1% of the population and a highly xenophobic nationalist mentality, it's difficult to see China's economic future being rosy unless robots save us all.

China's going to be in a situation where they have de-growth due to not enough young people raising children, and not enough young people to care for the elder generations.

China is also riddled with debt due to building pointless infrastructure at the regional government level, and its citizens are being riddled with debt paying off mortgages for homes worth less than they purchased them (that's separate from the issue of the infrastructure often being lousy).

The situation in China is worse than that too, because its official GDP is estimated to be have been inflated by up to 60% and Western companies are starting to move away or at least diversify away from China because they see China as too much of a risk for them (in terms of geopolitics as well as things like lack of human rights there and arbitrariness of the government).

China is not known for quality or innovation - it produces goods that could easily be produced in the West, it's just not economically productive to do so (it's better to produce jet engines, and let China produce paper airplanes essentially). China's population is officially about 60 times that of Taiwan's, but Taiwan represents 60% of the world's market share for producing semiconductors. China has similar nearby rivals with Japan and South Korea, despite them being much smaller in terms of population. India is now officially the world's largest country too and has better institutions than China for being the new factory of the world (if numerous countries together don't take that role), in terms of democracy, a stock exchange comparatively free of government interference, a respectable legal system etc.

This sums up my own thoughts, genius.

[Michelle Obama]

the elite pedophiles will continue everything they can to create order out of chaos. they need chaos. this chaos they are causing; in the economy, in the streets, in the classrooms, it's all being done on purpose, because of the walking dead theory. why do big government socialists like crime, chaos, ANTIFA, BLM, chairs being thrown at teachers, COVID scam, the incarceration and censorship of free speech, drag queens trying to make pedophilia acceptable, men with wigs in the girls bathroom, tatooed feminists living in a house full of cats, economic malaise, UFO ET creatures, WWIII and nukes, border chaos, etc?

whyy do they love all this so much?

fear.

because of the fear it creates, people will look for a safe haven and run inside that building to save themselves from the scary walking dead zombies chasing them and beg the government for normalcy. this is where your one-world government comes in.

everything you see is being manufactured and done on purpose. they are not stupid. never in history has there been such a disconnect between the people and the government and there is absolutely no turning this around; biden is currently being run by obama, and we will continue 8 more years of obama through michelle, when she suddenly appears to become the president. this will further destroy the country and other countries will follow suit and be destroyed as well.

literally everything you see is just an illusion, just one of the many distractions. distracting you from seeing the broader picture of the evil that is taking place to literally reverse and destroy everything moral, good, and upright.

anyone who opposes and fights back will be completely silenced, raided by FBI and labeled as some kind of sex offender, rapist, human trafficker, drug abuser, racist/bigot by the deep state run by the elite pedophiles, thus, creating more fear in the people as they further isolate themselves and happily eat their tofu while paying taxes to the elites because the sun is hot.