Why are you a Marxist when there's transhumanism?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

From what I understand about Marxism is they don't believe in any kind of hope or positivity though, like our mutual decay is how we find strength sort of thing. So they aren't even going to care if something is better because it doesn't factor into their thinking. Being a Marxist is kind of like worshiping the Idea of Entropy I think, they see the decay and decline of everything and not really some way of life being better than others because that way of life will eventually decay too etc.

I mean it might sound like I'm picking on the site owner but nah, every Marxist I met was also pretty much like that so it's not just him.

[Metamorph]

From what I understand about Marxism is they don't believe in any kind of hope or positivity though, like our mutual decay is how we find strength sort of thing. So they aren't even going to care if something is better because it doesn't factor into their thinking. Being a Marxist is kind of like worshiping the Idea of Entropy I think, they see the decay and decline of everything and not really some way of life being better than others because that way of life will eventually decay too etc.

I mean it might sound like I'm picking on the site owner but nah, every Marxist I met was also pretty much like that so it's not just him.

Same. Whenever I tell Marxists "Why would I want to die fighting for Serbia if I don't believe in an afterlife and also it's Serbia?" their response is usually stuff like "Well, you're going to die anyway." It always seems like a sort of nihilism to me. And my unironic impression of Marx is he was a member of an occult organization called the League of the Just that's likely to have been an actual offshoot of the Bavarian Illuminati, he only wrote the Communist Manifesto because they basically blackmailed him and Engels into it, he never bathed so he was covered in boils, his room was full of smoke, he begged his way to the top 1% of the top 1% in England yet spent it all on luxuries, he wrote about Lucifer as being the ultimate rebel against God, he also wrote about suicide pacts before many of his relatives and their spouses coincidentally killed themselves in suicide pacts, and all his babies kept dying which Richard Wurmbrand thinks was because Satanic cults sacrifice babies. In other words, my impression of Marxism isn't even that Marx was some misguided guy trying to bring a utopia to Earth, my impression of Marx is that he was a Satanic cultist who didn't care about utopia, unless you define utopia as hedonism before you die for Serbia and Lucifer (instead of God and Country, but to be honest, Death Korps of Krieg is unappealing no matter who you're dying for, life is infinitely valuable like Nietzsche says.)

This isn't even irrelevant to Marx's philosophy. As I Can't Believe It's Not Buddha puts it, "Live well. Laugh often. Love much." — Adolf Hı̇tler. Additionally, some other things make sense in light of that. For example, Marx never actually says there's no God, Marx simply disavows the idea of God as being irrelevant. Doesn't that sound a little like something a Satanic cultist would say to you? Everything Marx ever wrote sounds rather like a double-entendre once you see things that way. Why does Marx seem to hate technology? He knows getting rid of technology and getting rid of the idea of city and country would bring back the bicameral mind along with his favorite being, Lucifer. Everything about Marxism makes way more sense once you see him as a cultist.

I say Serbia in these examples because I've only ever heard Marxists and some more-optimistic leftists ever defend Serbia as being the bastion of socialism or the like, but we all know what Serbia is like... "Remove Kebab" and all that. If I tell Marxists maybe I don't want to die at all despite the fact that, frankly, I've seen a spiritual world firsthand, because death is bad and Heaven is really just a holdover until Paradise, they just seem to have no clue what to say. I don't believe I'm "going to die anyway" so I "might as well die for Marxism," I believe I could live forever and even minus the religious afterlife including the fact that life on Earth is often pretty crappy, living on Earth is better than not living on Earth, and I would be for indefinite life extension even with an afterlife. After all, the author of John is supposedly living until the Last Day, and more life on Earth tends to correlate to more rewards, so as long as I'm not trying to get out of judgment and aware of the Last Day being inevitable it seems fine to me to extend life indefinitely with science.

Yes, I'm basically just agreeing with you, but I'm also under the impression many cynics are cynics because they think it's inevitable rather than just because they want to be cynical, and those are the ones I'm asking why they're not transhumanists. Additionally, to the cynics who do just like being cynics, I'm asking them why I should be a cynic as a way of getting them to defend their beliefs. Like if you're just a cynic and there's no reason to be a cynic, and I don't want to be a cynic, why should I start being a cynic?

[FreelancePoliceman]

From what I understand about Marxism is they don't believe in any kind of hope or positivity though, like our mutual decay is how we find strength sort of thing. So they aren't even going to care if something is better because it doesn't factor into their thinking. Being a Marxist is kind of like worshiping the Idea of Entropy I think, they see the decay and decline of everything and not really some way of life being better than others because that way of life will eventually decay too etc.

I mean it might sound like I'm picking on the site owner but nah, every Marxist I met was also pretty much like that so it's not just him.

"Marxists" are morons. I have never met any self-proclaimed "Marxist" in real life who's seemed to have read Marx or understood what he was talking about. This is common with many geniuses and influential people. How many "Christians" have bothered reading the words of Christ, and how many fewer have seriously thought about how to apply them to their lives? It took until the 1780s for anyone to realize Matthew and Luke had plagiarized Mark; that's how little anyone in Europe bothered to think about or read their holiest possession. People who profess adherence to an ideology rarely seriously consider what has grasped them. In the case of Marxism I think it's especially pitiful because Marx's work was directed against ideology itself, and because "Marxists" these days are generally educated people who are completely convinced of their own intelligence and qualification to call themselves "radicals," even though they're totally unreflective people incapable of original thought.

What is Marxism? Maybe it's about worshiping entropy. Maybe it's when you hate science. Maybe it's when you hate God. Maybe it's when you want to "establish communism," whatever that means. Marxism means anything and everything because literally no one who uses the term has any interest in anything but giving their own uninformed and stupid opinions.

[Poptart]

"Marxists" are morons. I have never met any self-proclaimed "Marxist" in real life who's seemed to have read Marx or understood what he was talking about. This is common with many geniuses and influential people. How many "Christians" have bothered reading the words of Christ, and how many fewer have seriously thought about how to apply them to their lives? It took until the 1780s for anyone to realize Matthew and Luke had plagiarized Mark; that's how little anyone in Europe bothered to think about or read their holiest possession. People who profess adherence to an ideology rarely seriously consider what has grasped them. In the case of Marxism I think it's especially pitiful because Marx's work was directed against ideology itself, and because "Marxists" these days are generally educated people who are completely convinced of their own intelligence and qualification to call themselves "radicals," even though they're totally unreflective people incapable of original thought.

What is Marxism? Maybe it's about worshiping entropy. Maybe it's when you hate science. Maybe it's when you hate God. Maybe it's when you want to "establish communism," whatever that means. Marxism means anything and everything because literally no one who uses the term has any interest in anything but giving their own uninformed and stupid opinions.

TBH I thought I was the only one who has never read Marx or the Bible

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