I know my type now, in Model G for certain…

[Braingel]

This summer, I hadn’t been able to really counter the arguments of EIE and ILI against me; I was under health concerns and couldn’t get around to internalize it.. After grasping how Model G works overtime, I can say that 100%, I’m also an IEI in Model G. If people had still type me a negativist, it would have be an IEE, rather than EIE or ILI. (I hated every minute of it, but I was only focused on studying marijuana and CBD to quell my physical pain. And studying in that technical way I hated, and I had go in bursts). Even for this model G understanding, I didn’t read directly. I looked at a few things, and filled in the rest on my own.

There are two big issues for me as EIE or ILI; I’ve no Fi+ or Si-… I am result, rather than process… For EIE, there is the issue with me being of rationality.

I feel that people were typing me Fe minus out of seeing my disintegration to the 2. An unhealthy 4 will put their own self out there more, and require external validation (being valued by others) as how will, a 2. Enneagram disintegration is about harnessing negative aspects of the type you have sunken lower into.. And drown within it..
2 is intrinsically Fe-like, which is why so many ESE and EIE are core 2… This is because of how 2 pushes out its emotion. I’m a social lead, and so when I disintegrate, it will manifest as very unhealthy usage of social 2 (and social 1, as you can go both ways, but the 2 aspect is more dominant for an unhealthy 4 and the 1 won’t show up as much and dominate the actual behavior)… With emphasis on the blind spot, which is why I was this summer informing others about various health things; my social, with my blind pull up on SP. I was dumping this to feel valued and more worthy, to quell shame that became unhinged from my health’s fall. When I had criticized that dentist, that was my unhealthy social 1 usage coming out, and also going on about an SP matter.

For Si minus, it is a huge issue, and especially as a PolR function.. Because I don’t dismiss internalizing positive sensation. I value internalizing pleasant sensory input. I am becoming an aromatherapist because of this (and also because I want uncover the hidden depths and meanings of what each essential oil has offer to mankind on an esoteric level, and wand relation to them. I had the most beautiful vision of Frankincense’s soul coming to me, with her in an orange, white and yellow robe, long flowing blonde hair, and her eyelashes showing of shut eye). I love submerging the comfort of warm bath, and get in trouble for wasting money just going in to feel the warmth.. I will soliloquize “mm”, at the eating of yummy food, and as it reaches into my gut and then permeates to brain, heart, and elsewhere.. I crave being caressed and comforted, and have intensive fantasies of this… And watch ASMR of medical procedures done on me (which more is suggestive Se than Si), and sometimes fictional character ones.

I’m not aversive to, or helpless on Si. Because I’m autistic and have cptsd, it can make it appear like I may have difficulty.

Me as an Fi plus is preposterous; I do not get over my grievances, and harbor them long. I to this day harbor them over Vex and North Star.. And the past abuses from my family.. With their calling me names and physical assaults on me, and ignoring my sexual trauma…

I abhor routines and thrive when I’m unstructured, which makes me an irrational type..

The only type that befits after IEI, is the IEE… But me as a valuer of Te, this feels a stretch.

I am insanely idealistic with my future, and having an authenticated living for the collective (Ni-Fe+).. I am so idealistic and indulgent over this, it sweeps me off my feet and away from reaching to this ideal itself, because I live it inside.. And I frustrate over outer conflicting this inner fantasy within.

People this summer had not realized I was in the process of developing an autoimmunity that is both genetic and stressor origin. The Nod2gene runs in my family, and my SEE sister is very ill. I was very down to the 2, from this… And my negative expressed sentiments weren’t of the collective or hierarchical (Fe base), but rather of my own inner experience and pain.. Which is more Fi, because it’s an internal expression coming out because of my line to 2..

I was diagnosed with the illness this past November, when a youth shelter had me taken to a neurologist… And I now have see a rheumatologist this month’s end.

My behavior was from my neurotic pull up of my blinded SP (having focus on practicality and ignore social and sexual matters), and the disintegration… It was all enneagram-related…. Some people believe that the PolR function can flare under stress. I sort of saw this in myself, with how all I did was study CBD in a technical way… And I hated it. It felt very out of my element… I’d written on my own personal Facebook how this had strained my focus direction, and made a shell out of my energetic charge…

If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.. As it is the only thing that fits me by dichotomy (result, irrational) and the +/- minus functions I’ve. There’s issue with me as a delta, and with me as ignoring Ni… But it is the only alternative there’s to IEI, and that if others want confine me to negativist, only negativist type that possibly can fit me.

[inaLim]

Uh, you're blatantly IEI. Whoever told you you're not has no idea what they're doing.

[Sol]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

> Join Date Jun 2021

After 1,5 years you still trust to someone's doubtful opinions about your type, instead of own thinking (incl by IR). With this approach you are loosing your time and have high risk to get problems if will use Jung types (same for Gulenko's types).

Among problems of what Gulenko does - he too much types by what people say about themselves. If you know types theory, - you'll get what you want from him. You fantasied your type as IEI before, described so to him and so you got it. Even with his own typology you have nearly same possibility to fool a typer, as Gulenkos' typology partly uses Jung types.

[Braingel]

Uh, you're blatantly IEI. Whoever told you you're not has no idea what they're doing.

I am definitely an IEI, but as I’ve further gotten into enneagram (and reflected it upon), I understand why others typed me EIE… I’ve made a metaphor for how people don’t like at anatomy right, it a in my book..

I’ve put it into my enneagram take thread.. A 4 core goes down to 2.. Under extreme stress, and this will mean that it becomes more expressive and heavily seeking outward validation, for their personal sentiments.. Putting things out there.

They were confusing my emotional body with my mental and inherent countenance. It was maligned and not energetically where it is in more optimal function.. They were looking at me deformed, rather than me upright and in my normative presentation.

I am IEI in both A and G… PolR Si is ludicrous for
me, with reasoning explained… And even in model G with charge, -Si is just the same; an absurdity…

[Braingel]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

I’m definitely not an SEI. Me as high Si is very bad… But I just don’t have it as PolR.

In Carl Jung, I am Ni-F. In MBTI, I am an INFP, without Fe, because the way mbti defines Fe, is unbeffiting me.

[Braingel]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

I lead with my own imagination, imagery, insights, and am obsessive with archetypes and my own symbolism. I made my own spiritual philosophy…. The only sensory interest I’ve is aromatherapy, and I even make archetypes and spiritual meanings out of them. Whilst I can like internalizing their sensation, I value them for spiritual and esoteric reasoning.. There is nothing else about me that has any sensory focus or value, other than this… As an interest or big part of my life… Other than I can rest in Si when needed, with asmr and bath.. But it isn’t my primary focus and lead.

I’m so detached from my body, I run into walls and people. SEI is a very bad typing for me, worse than EIE and ILI.. I know you type by ITR, but I dualize with SLE. That guy whom I thought was LIE you once based on wasn’t LIE and ended up being SLE..

I am not peaceful and represent nothing of alpha value. I even lean towards ESI in the benefit ring.. I am an IEI who is more ESI than LII-like.

[Braingel]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

You missed what I’d said in my other channel; I don’t even believe Model G is good for anything but the enneagram…

[Braingel]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

> Join Date Jun 2021

After 1,5 years you still trust to someone's doubtful opinions about your type, instead of own thinking (incl by IR). With this approach you are loosing your time and have high risk to get problems if will use Jung types (same for Gulenko's types).

Among problems of what Gulenko does - he too much types by what people say about themselves. If you know types theory, - you'll get what you want from him. You fantasied your type as IEI before, described so to him and so you got it. Even with his own typology you have nearly same possibility to fool a typer, as Gulenkos' typology partly uses Jung types.

You also have made way to an assumption that I’ve not met anyone, from here. I have met 4 people in person, from here… And they ubiquitously type me IEI. I used to mistype EII, but I learnt I am IEI from ITR patterns and also from other means.. One was a typist; it is the hotel ambush/Ibrahim.. One was an EIE, the other an SLE, the other an ILE.

These people all used to type me EIE, actually, until they has met me in person…
@Tim may as well count as an in person mer case, as I’ve been on voice chat, even overnight with him, for 400 or more hours.. If you count him, then it is 5 people… He’s always typed me IEI.. Even from prior to exchanging intimately. There are others I’ve been in voice calls with, who’ve known me 60+ or more hours through calls, and have also typed me IEI. Two of those people are typists… One model A, one model G. The majority of these people who’ve typed me are model A.

I definitely clash with LSE.. And LIE also corrects me, but I don’t have as awful a time I do with them, as I do LSE…

You also had assumed I agreed with the people typing me EIE and ILI. I didn’t, ever agree. I once used to mistype myself EII, but I’ve been typing IEI accurately, now, since March of 2021…

Your approach is too empirical and concrete, for my liking. It relies less on pattern and abstraction.. And correct it to “Sol doesn’t care”, rather than “no one cares”.

[Braingel]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

> Join Date Jun 2021

After 1,5 years you still trust to someone's doubtful opinions about your type, instead of own thinking (incl by IR). With this approach you are loosing your time and have high risk to get problems if will use Jung types (same for Gulenko's types).

Among problems of what Gulenko does - he too much types by what people say about themselves. If you know types theory, - you'll get what you want from him. You fantasied your type as IEI before, described so to him and so you got it. Even with his own typology you have nearly same possibility to fool a typer, as Gulenkos' typology partly uses Jung types.

Re-reading closer, you definitely are idiotic, in the last paragraph. I didn’t ever go to Gulenko, as I said. His students were typing me as an EIE and ILI… And I didn’t want to be these two types.. You didn’t even read what I had said, and you don’t know me and have felt you can comment and interject, without reading closely. There was no typing session with Gulenko, to begin with…

I used to fantasy myself as EII… I mistyped it for a year. I didn’t want to be a beta, because I don’t even like how people view the beta Quadra, that much… It actually made me feel shitty, to accept I’m a beta, especially with how people see beta types. I even broke down and cried over being hate typed an EIE….

If there was a type I could be that I fantasied, it would be EII or LII…. I do like the uniqueness I have in being beta.. But it’s a hard type to be. And people also dismiss beta NF…. I can’t track my own surroundings, am lost in the sea of my imagination and insights. I have weak motor skills, and cannot keep up with my environment, very well…

You are imaging a person that doesn’t exist; an SEI who went to gulenko and fantasied herself as IEI.. That never happened, and I never would be an SEI in this lifetime….

I type myself an IEI, because:
-I lead with my own imagination, mental imagery (as how I had explained with even that frankincense angel).. And I’m constantly reading signs and patterns to weave a narrative..
-I seek out Se, and get stimulated by it.
-I am too detached from my sensory surroundings, and even that’s why I like how Se can push it out. I have to REALLY indulge a warm bath to even just feel the warmth and comfort of it.. Otherwise it is blank paper with no color, in the sensory level, for me. I can get overwhelmed if it’s too much, because I’m autistic.
-I am a result type. I don’t do things in order and skip around and can leave right off where I took break from, even if it’s a matter of months or years..
-I dualize with SLE. I’ve dualized 6 times.. I forecast to the SLE what will happen, and they push me out of myself and it’s a spiritual, intense exchange with no issue communicating
-I conflict LSE… They admonish me for not sourcing things, going solely by insight and imagination, and not being efficient and practical enough, or out into the world…

[Braingel]

Model G is not Socionics, but partly other typology.
As methods are same and a part of theory is bs - it has same problem of typing accuracy. And nothing objective to be sure in someone's good typing skills in its borders.
Hence - no, you may only muddy suppose your type in that typology, but not to know it. In Socionics you can check own type with good rational basis by IR, at least.

> If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.

It's not important what you think. You may agree with any other Jung type tomorrow, until will not get positive IR check (with >10 people IRL) - what you did not and doutbtful to do.
The mentioned types names are Socionics/Jung types. So when you or other one uses this notation - this means Socionics types, except when near said the different.
What type you got in other doubtful typology no one cares. It's Socionics section, so anything here about types is supposed about Socionics types, but not Gulenko's types.

You have SEI / ISFP Jung type, as I remember. If you want to get a usefulness - Socionics theory has it, based on my experience and of other interested people. What is with Gulenko's types is not known for almost no one here (including you), - most probably another baseless fantasy.

> Join Date Jun 2021

After 1,5 years you still trust to someone's doubtful opinions about your type, instead of own thinking (incl by IR). With this approach you are loosing your time and have high risk to get problems if will use Jung types (same for Gulenko's types).

Among problems of what Gulenko does - he too much types by what people say about themselves. If you know types theory, - you'll get what you want from him. You fantasied your type as IEI before, described so to him and so you got it. Even with his own typology you have nearly same possibility to fool a typer, as Gulenkos' typology partly uses Jung types.

Also, the only social interaction I’ve ever had aside from meeting a few people from this community, prior to dropping out of high school.. Is that I’ve attended a clairvoyant and mediumship circle.

all my time is spent idealizing my future fantasies, brooding on my own hurts, and imagining various things.. When I don’t do this, I engage typology and make my own philosophies, write poetry, and also touch aromatherapy.. I also play video games, sometimes, but my own inner world of fantasy enough, for me.

[Braingel]

@Sol since you I see on your activity are looking for VI pictures of me from my thread and now are on that SEI thread probabkt because you’re trying contrast, I will just link you to my Facebook, itself…

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...80145415557378

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...80145415557378

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...5557378&type=3

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...80145415557378

If you must VI me, there…
VI is only one part of a picture, though. It isn’t the whole, big, holistic picture of a person, even though the gaze and energy on superficial
sonere can show and delve into, in some areas of the lake.

[inaLim]

Sol thinks this IEI mb INTP.



Facebook pics ain't gonna help him type better. You are gonna drive yourself crazy taking these ppl seriously. You gotta know a lost cause when you see one and cut your losses.

[Braingel]

Sol thinks this IEI mb INTP.



Facebook pics ain't gonna help him type better. You are gonna drive yourself crazy listening to these ppl. You gotta know a lost cause when you see one and cut your losses.

It’s funny, because he made all these presumptions.. That I take Gulenko’s opinion seriously, and that I got typed by him, and assumed I haven’t met anyone from here.. And convinced people I’m an IEI, when no, people who thought I was Eie or iee for sure and met me typed me IEI…. and all gulenko students typed me Eie or ILI, and I was upset and didn’t even want be seen as those types. I even cried and got emotional, with the ones who hate typed me Eie..

I don’t have care for Ne that much, but that definitely is PolR rather than Ne ignored,
in him. He’s likely LSI 1w9… 163…

My Te PolR is bad, yes.. I keep going even when it isn’t of matter or has no efficiency….

[inaLim]

When I've dualized with IEI I get overconfident and overestimate how much I understand them. I can draw out the real personality and the communication is like nothing else, but Enneagram anxieties & motivations are beyond me. I do not understand e4 need for other ppl to acknowledge their identity. Or e6 fear/need for guidance. IRL behavior is more driven by enneagram, its just the way its expressed is colored by Jung/Socionics functions.

[Braingel]

When I've dualized with IEI I get overconfident and overestimate how much I understand them. I can draw out the real personality and the communication is like nothing else, but Enneagram anxieties & motivations are beyond me. I do not understand e4 need for other ppl to acknowledge their identity. Or e6 fear/need for guidance. IRL behavior is more driven by enneagram, its just the way its expressed is colored by Jung/Socionics functions.

Yes, I was actually going to comment about how hard it is for me being an image and social lead, but I decided to leave out the enneagram, in this, since I had talked a lot about it today… But it is a 4 core and social lead issue. Then, I am a 6 fix…

It’s a weakness I’ve to transcend beyond..

[Braingel]

Me being a 4 and social lead is what makes people think I’m Eie, in the first of places, because an EIE can also be highly sensitive to how others view them.

I hate being a social lead, in addition to being image. It sucks. But, it is a type with depth and that can transcend immensely.. The ability to dive and reach depths… Shells and sea crystal unseen to eyes, with their sedimentary emotions.. And pull them to shores.

[Braingel]

When I've dualized with IEI I get overconfident and overestimate how much I understand them. I can draw out the real personality and the communication is like nothing else, but Enneagram anxieties & motivations are beyond me. I do not understand e4 need for other ppl to acknowledge their identity. Or e6 fear/need for guidance. IRL behavior is more driven by enneagram, its just the way its expressed is colored by Jung/Socionics functions.

I am glad you recognize it of the enneagram. That is correct spotting of anatomy.. I made this metaphor… That is in my book, I’m writing. For how people cut into wrong anatomies.

[inaLim]

I'm more of the belief that enneagram is just describing neurotic sticking points to break free from, not actual types, but I've never been able to convince an IEI of that. You guys seem to fall in love with archetypes and patterns, and leave the actual transcending for some day in the far off future

[Braingel]

I'm more of the belief that enneagram is just describing neurotic sticking points to break free from, not actual types, but I've never been able to convince an IEI of that. You guys seem to fall in love with archetypes and patterns, and leave the actual transcending for some day in the far off future

I see the enneagram as spiritual point of ascension.. When one goes up their line.. It is the downfall and battle, a life lesson and the closest there is to demon in this realm, at the mercy of one’s own inner battling. It is more than neurotic point.. Naranjo makes it this way, but RH more is of esoteric principle.

Angels and demons birth from their enneagram line.

[Braingel]

A human angel is one who is outgrown of ego; they’ve integrated to their spiritually intrinsic potential.. One’s who are demonic live in the hell of their mind, and imprisoned to ego limitations.

[Braingel]

I'm more of the belief that enneagram is just describing neurotic sticking points to break free from, not actual types, but I've never been able to convince an IEI of that. You guys seem to fall in love with archetypes and patterns, and leave the actual transcending for some day in the far off future

I am very much in love with patterns.. They birth in me pleasure and this orgasmic occurrence is hard detach from.. I perceive things in archetypes, and my love for typology comes in this. I once liked astrology the same.. Of reasoning. I’ve outgrown this, and see astrology as a synchronistic tool to channel insights that one may have hear for where they are at in life.. With the fake symbolism of astrology itself.. Just making insight course through blood and give it life to beat out what needs hear to another.

[inaLim]

I see the sticking points as false ideas/perceptions/beliefs about yourself/relationships/the world, that are obstacles to the spiritual. But I guess if I were Ni dom, I might see it different. I was talking more Ichazo than Naranjo or Riso-Hudson.

[inaLim]

A human angel is one who is outgrown of ego; they’ve integrated to their spiritually intrinsic potential.. One’s who are demonic live in the hell of their mind, and imprisoned to ego limitations.

ok now that you've spelled it out, its not that different from what I was thinking

[Braingel]

Even the energy of satan.. I see him as a sexual 2 who has gone down to 8. Had he integrated 4 and been content in self, his fall wouldn’t have been…

[Braingel]

I am not religious, just am pointing out pattern..

[Braingel]

A “fallen angel” is a psyche that has fallen down into its ego/hell chamber..

[Braingel]

And they’re further from heaven, further from ascending, out of their own hell.

[inaLim]

I am very much in love with patterns.. They birth in me pleasure and this orgasmic occurrence is hard detach from.. I perceive things in archetypes, and my love for typology comes in this. I once liked astrology the same.. Of reasoning. I’ve outgrown this, and see astrology as a synchronistic tool to channel insights that one may have hear for where they are at in life.. With the fake symbolism of astrology itself.. Just making insight course through blood and give it life to beat out what needs hear to another.

I'm jealous. I've experienced that vicariously, and losing it sucks. Its like a whole other side of my mind/personality/spirit/whatever being unlocked by someone else. Then going back to half power...

You're good with words, you have an interesting style.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Me being a 4 and social lead is what makes people think I’m Eie, in the first of places, because an EIE can also be highly sensitive to how others view them.

I hate being a social lead, in addition to being image. It sucks. But, it is a type with depth and that can transcend immensely.. The ability to dive and reach depths… Shells and sea crystal unseen to eyes, with their sedimentary emotions.. And pull them to shores.

What's wrong with So?

[Renna]

The world is probably more colorful than just Demon and Angel

[Braingel]

What's wrong with So?

Well, I’d written this, I’ll just put to it here;

If I had any type I can be, I would’ve picked to have been an SP5 (social blind). A type that isn’t like many on the planet.. But who doesn’t have the stupid line to the 2, and the pain of being not only autistic, but socially leading and image… That makes harder to meet its own instinctive need and causes immense neurosis.


Who can cut off and abstract feelings… And just be fine to study and indulge intellectual pursuit all day… In their books… And all the investigative means..


And who doesn’t need others to see them as special, unique… And attractive.. Just doesn’t care.


I envy all the 5’s I talk to.. Able escape with their 7 line….. Able to cut off from their traumas and abstract them. Be a true intellectual, something I only can of, dream be.. I will only be a pseudo intellectual.. An original philosopher and poet, but never a pure intellectual, no matter how hard of a trying.
How they are able to just… Abstract everything. Everything painful.. And not care of what is thought of. I envy this guy whom I talk to, and I do care for and value… But how he is able to just not care of how he is viewed and never had care for how he was viewed for his being autistic.


I envy how his typological combination doesn’t lead him as much to get socially in trouble with others….. And to be judged, scrutinized, condemned. And people value his autistic trait of obsessive interest… Because his presents in better way, than of my own.

I know I shouldn’t envy a type when it causes suffering, in its own way for the person of it… But I can’t help it. I have such a defective combination; social image. With the autism….. It’s an accursed combination.


There are some combinations that will inherently be harder, and social image with autism is one of them. It would be very hard to be a sexual dom in an all fundamentalist Christian area, for instance..


But you can move for the Christian. Oneself never can rid of their being autistic.


It’s an inborn cursing. It is objectively one of the most unfortunate combinations that can bestow on with this specific condition.


I don’t like being a social lead. I like being an uncommon type, but I would ask the creator who had will of my making.. To have made me unborn autistic, or social lead.

[Braingel]

That is my issue with being a social lead…

[Braingel]

To be clear: abstracting in this context implies the 5 core’s defense of abstracting their emotions. Detaching from them and looking at them as concepts. I can abstract information (and lead with abstraction, in my processing information as symbolism and imagery), but I’m not a 5, who is always abstracting her emotions so as to not by them, affect.

Emotions are a form of information.. But it is the enneagram 5 who is able completely detach and look at their emotion as an object and concept. I envy this…

[Braingel]

The world is probably more colorful than just Demon and Angel

There is a psyche trying attain its angelic frequency so as to transcend to the other side, yes.. Ir doesn’t mean it has retain its demonic realm, in the mind.. That’s only the lowest point..

[Braingel]

The space between is the being on earth.. The average level.. of health..

[Braingel]

I envy this combination, because I see out a social lens, as well as an image one… Perhaps Sp5 would anguish at their chronic emptiness and inability to let inside, another…

[Ave]

Deleted because what I said was probably toxic and fruitless.

[myresearch]

Deleted because what I said was probably toxic and fruitless.

So is this thread.

[Metaphor]

Consider EII if you were to take Model A seriously.

[BrainlessSquid]

This summer, I hadn’t been able to really counter the arguments of EIE and ILI against me; I was under health concerns and couldn’t get around to internalize it.. After grasping how Model G works overtime, I can say that 100%, I’m also an IEI in Model G. If people had still type me a negativist, it would have be an IEE, rather than EIE or ILI. (I hated every minute of it, but I was only focused on studying marijuana and CBD to quell my physical pain. And studying in that technical way I hated, and I had go in bursts). Even for this model G understanding, I didn’t read directly. I looked at a few things, and filled in the rest on my own.

There are two big issues for me as EIE or ILI; I’ve no Fi+ or Si-… I am result, rather than process… For EIE, there is the issue with me being of rationality.

I feel that people were typing me Fe minus out of seeing my disintegration to the 2. An unhealthy 4 will put their own self out there more, and require external validation (being valued by others) as how will, a 2. Enneagram disintegration is about harnessing negative aspects of the type you have sunken lower into.. And drown within it..
2 is intrinsically Fe-like, which is why so many ESE and EIE are core 2… This is because of how 2 pushes out its emotion. I’m a social lead, and so when I disintegrate, it will manifest as very unhealthy usage of social 2 (and social 1, as you can go both ways, but the 2 aspect is more dominant for an unhealthy 4 and the 1 won’t show up as much and dominate the actual behavior)… With emphasis on the blind spot, which is why I was this summer informing others about various health things; my social, with my blind pull up on SP. I was dumping this to feel valued and more worthy, to quell shame that became unhinged from my health’s fall. When I had criticized that dentist, that was my unhealthy social 1 usage coming out, and also going on about an SP matter.

For Si minus, it is a huge issue, and especially as a PolR function.. Because I don’t dismiss internalizing positive sensation. I value internalizing pleasant sensory input. I am becoming an aromatherapist because of this (and also because I want uncover the hidden depths and meanings of what each essential oil has offer to mankind on an esoteric level, and wand relation to them. I had the most beautiful vision of Frankincense’s soul coming to me, with her in an orange, white and yellow robe, long flowing blonde hair, and her eyelashes showing of shut eye). I love submerging the comfort of warm bath, and get in trouble for wasting money just going in to feel the warmth.. I will soliloquize “mm”, at the eating of yummy food, and as it reaches into my gut and then permeates to brain, heart, and elsewhere.. I crave being caressed and comforted, and have intensive fantasies of this… And watch ASMR of medical procedures done on me (which more is suggestive Se than Si), and sometimes fictional character ones.

I’m not aversive to, or helpless on Si. Because I’m autistic and have cptsd, it can make it appear like I may have difficulty.

Me as an Fi plus is preposterous; I do not get over my grievances, and harbor them long. I to this day harbor them over Vex and North Star.. And the past abuses from my family.. With their calling me names and physical assaults on me, and ignoring my sexual trauma…

I abhor routines and thrive when I’m unstructured, which makes me an irrational type..

The only type that befits after IEI, is the IEE… But me as a valuer of Te, this feels a stretch.

I am insanely idealistic with my future, and having an authenticated living for the collective (Ni-Fe+).. I am so idealistic and indulgent over this, it sweeps me off my feet and away from reaching to this ideal itself, because I live it inside.. And I frustrate over outer conflicting this inner fantasy within.

People this summer had not realized I was in the process of developing an autoimmunity that is both genetic and stressor origin. The Nod2gene runs in my family, and my SEE sister is very ill. I was very down to the 2, from this… And my negative expressed sentiments weren’t of the collective or hierarchical (Fe base), but rather of my own inner experience and pain.. Which is more Fi, because it’s an internal expression coming out because of my line to 2..

I was diagnosed with the illness this past November, when a youth shelter had me taken to a neurologist… And I now have see a rheumatologist this month’s end.

My behavior was from my neurotic pull up of my blinded SP (having focus on practicality and ignore social and sexual matters), and the disintegration… It was all enneagram-related…. Some people believe that the PolR function can flare under stress. I sort of saw this in myself, with how all I did was study CBD in a technical way… And I hated it. It felt very out of my element… I’d written on my own personal Facebook how this had strained my focus direction, and made a shell out of my energetic charge…

If others cannot see to me as IEI, I will only accept IEE as typing for me in the Model G sense.. As it is the only thing that fits me by dichotomy (result, irrational) and the +/- minus functions I’ve. There’s issue with me as a delta, and with me as ignoring Ni… But it is the only alternative there’s to IEI, and that if others want confine me to negativist, only negativist type that possibly can fit me.

You seem too focused externally to be IEI. I think IEE fits you best. But of course, you'll argue that you don't have Te and stuff, and this makes sense. In the end, I hope your self typing has been useful for you, because that's the only way it can make any sense to get typed. You're an awesome human being, capable of doing great things, you just need to focus more on your plans than waste your time trying to prove anything to anyone. In de end, nobody will be able to change what you already know about yourself