I know my type now, in Model G for certain…

[Braingel]

You’ve been away from this site for a long, long, long time. Look at my enneagram thread and you’ll see how bad me as a bad Ti, let alone bad Ni type is.

The only thing I will give you is that I could be interpreted as being in between intuitive and sensory, because I am a Meyers Briggs INFP, and often show up in my ESTJ shadow and Fi-Si grip because of stressors in my life from trauma and illness (mental and physical). I have never been this concrete person who can go out and start things, be very sociably outgoing person, and who lacks imagination, pattern grasp, and living in the most concrete reality there is— even before I developed PTSD, fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis.

There is no type more concrete than SEE with gamma values, Te and Se. This is why this typing is even offensive to me, because it is overlooking how I am completely.

If you think I’m screen shotting and showing things to be concrete, that is literally a learnt behavior as you call it, from having been gaslit and invalidated since 7 years old and with all the invalidation I’ve gotten, including when it comes to my type. As I said, people literally invalidated my rheumatoid arthritis and thought it was on Si PolR.

I have literally been diagnosed with autism since I’ve been 8 years old. An Se dom who has Si ignored, would have what is called hyposensitive sensory input. And they wouldn’t have the motor delays and impairments I have. I’ve the hyper form and those motor anomalies.. SLE and SEe autistics would look vastly different than myself.


And as far as even seeing a community SEE… This will probably rarely happen, because SEE is generally very active with their Se and Te… And Quadra values.. It can probably happen in a traumatized enough SEE, but I still don’t process information, value, or act like a traumatized SEE.

[Braingel]

What is funny is that IEI and ILI in model G have optimum Se… But yeah… Me as an SEE.. That is just a person that doesn’t exist in your mind. Maybe in some parallel reality.

Why do you even have to extrovert me, just because I appear unfiltered. I am literally autistic, have attention deficit have complex ptsd..
This whole unfiltered ness isn’t even a holistic part of me.

[The Reality Denialist]

In general, a model tries to capture and give some debugging info for the typing process. No model is the Holy Grail.
In other words.
When a shit hits the detector, then a shit hits the detector, and we might have a model for that UFO. Typing process should not stop in the model because it has inherently non accounted variables. This is quite clear.

In the end, if a person ends up in position I walk like a duck, I quack like a duck, I think like a duck, then the person is likely a duck.

[Braingel]

In general, a model tries to capture and give some debugging info for the typing process. No model is the Holy Grail.
In other words.
When a shit hits the detector, then a shit hits the detector, and we might have a model for that UFO. Typing process should not stop in the model because it has inherently non accounted variables. This is quite clear.

In the end, if a person ends up in position I walk like a duck, I quack like a duck, I think like a duck, then the person is likely a duck.

It’s just how poorly does someone even have to interpret me to get SEE out of me? This hurts my social 4 core so bad, because this literally means people aren’t seeing or valuing the things about myself that I want them to, like my imagination, creative in genuinely, dreaminess, idealism, sophistry..

[Braingel]

Why don’t you look at reports people have written about me, who have actually fucking met me for 6-7 hours in person:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...06b1dd19163e0&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...00479c924ce9a&

Neither EIE or “SEE” like huh. I love SEE’s to interact with, but if you type me as an SEE, you don’t see me correctly, how I am, and don’t acknowledge certain traits within me that are blatant.

My boyfriend on my intuition (he isn’t one of the people that was in the other two screen shots):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...967bcd8388f02&

[Braingel]

My boyfriend who wrote out visual imagery I had in my mind as we were on voice chat (because he’s Ni suggestive like that):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...01d168aebc580&


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f033e78599760&

then I interpreted them as an online of revelation hit me, like a cascading flow of energy:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9c87736b6c43c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d37969919ee97&

[Braingel]

My boyfriend who wrote out visual imagery I had in my mind as we were on voice chat (because he’s No suggestive like that):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...01d168aebc580&


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f033e78599760&

then I interpreted them as an online of revelation hit me, like a cascading flow of energy:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9c87736b6c43c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d37969919ee97&

This is classical Carl Jung Ni dom. Having metaphoric images come to your mind that you’ve never seen (I’d never been exposed to that statue with holes in it) and then interpreting the meaning of what the images mean and forming a narrative out of them.

And I’ve been telling everyone… I am vortical synergetic cognition. This is as cascading and figuring on the go, in a swirl of images and thoughts as it gets, which is vortical.

[Distance]

I knew you'd be hurt or triggered by it, and I thought I'd draw it out, and after that I thought the ambivalence might lessen the blow.

[Braingel]

My boyfriend who wrote out visual imagery I had in my mind as we were on voice chat (because he’s Ni suggestive like that):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...01d168aebc580&


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f033e78599760&

then I interpreted them as an online of revelation hit me, like a cascading flow of energy:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9c87736b6c43c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d37969919ee97&

He repeated what I said on the voice chat by word verbatim..Everything he typed out was my intense mental imagery I was describing to him with my exact wording, and then I’d a huge onslaught of revelation of what some of it means and I kept going and figuring it out in a stream of conscious of thoughts cascading..

This is how I process information. I have images and metaphors come to me, and I interpret their meaning…

Yesterday I got in a physical accident with my family, I interpreted the meaning of the crisis right away: https://youtu.be/YhhkcgcewTI?si=BRlsYtzCyDkwshFm

People don’t get it. I just have an extreme case of autism and an extreme case of ptsd, which the ptsd exaggerates certain qualities in me (like Fe expressions), and some are completely unnatural to me and have do with the kind of trauma I’ve had, like proving things comes from me having been invalidated and gaslit for years..

[Braingel]

My complex PTSD shows up a LOT in social 4…. And somewhat Fe ego, but the ptsd blows up the Fe to look unhinged when I am invalidated or not seen.. And in desperation to be seen.. By life circumstances with not having anyone around me who values or sees me, and autism making it hard to have in person relation.

My complex ptsd has also made me sick physically. Both RA and fibro have ptsd ties. It is unheard of for a person in their early twenties to have rheumatoid arthritis, but I have it bad.

I have faulty genetics, but the CPTSD and environmental stressors made it activate young. The fibromyalgia showed signs when I was 15 (the age I had the most extreme trauma aside from 17), but it was never full-blown. I also believe that my autism has a role in the predisposition as well, with a more sensitive nervous system because of it.

I have both the Nod2 and HLAB27 genes

[Braingel]

My boyfriend who wrote out visual imagery I had in my mind as we were on voice chat (because he’s Ni suggestive like that):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...01d168aebc580&


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...f033e78599760&

then I interpreted them as an online of revelation hit me, like a cascading flow of energy:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9c87736b6c43c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...d37969919ee97&

My boyfriend types me model A and G EII, but this isn’t a correct typing

The other day, I actually made a video about why socionics isn’t even very worthwhile for most people: https://youtu.be/WtHCcBVaZsg?si=VqFHeQYJDqqMAmFT

And one today on how socionics is a detour to relational satisfaction: https://youtu.be/1iT-qfKuiro?si=7BmlW13B5U4HxbdV

[Braingel]

Just look at this thread.. I’ve had people type me EII, IEI, IEE, and SEE by it, and two people that commented here type me EIE. I have been typed every NF type by people on this thread (the Eie typings aren’t directly in this one), which tells you right there I am NF and not SF.

This shows how hard to grasp that I am, and I will tell you why. I am autistic, have an extreme case of complex PTSD, and I am an atypical enneagram type that isn’t that common.. But me as an SEE.. Thid is the worst typing.. At least ESI would be better, but this is still a bad typing.

[Braingel]

I'm not entirely sure I understood your question, but my typing method is indeed very energy/vibes based. I'm trying to sense these basic, primordial parts of personality (that manifest more in things like gaze, movement, natural talents etc.) and separate them from what comes next: adaptations, learned behavior, masks (more apparent in interests, occupations). You can contrast my typing style with someone like Alive who bases his typings on stereotypes and what the person decides to do instead of how (makes art - IEI!!!) or MBTI approach. I'm not very confident in my typing of her, I already changed opinion about her type multiple times, she seems to have a lot of defense mechanisms that make typing her difficult. I also believe that there are no convincing arguments for the existence of a type in a person, I see types as some archetypes or points marked on a grid of personality and a person can be anywhere between types on the spectrum, I see her somewhere between Sensing and Intuition and it shows in my typings.

By the way, it is impossible for an SEE to be a 4, because 4 is gut disconnected, and this is 100% my enneagram type.Since you care so much about visual identification, I’ll show pictures of myselfRecent pictures of myself (in some I’ve an injured nose):https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...83e19c0420fc1&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...e5e4dc452db94&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ff3bf5e7ea38e&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24123d95c8fb8&https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...855d64996a8e8&

Me as a teenager: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971367309660786719/1191180755938844692/IMG_0331.jpg?

ex=65a48087&is=65920b87&hm=d24c8ed1c85f133a9e8218d 8457d27c032744b735333dcc413d681808350dc27&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ba64e65f4a326&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...5cfd5e4a2a1aa&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3a28cd717a2f9&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971367309660786719/1191183322248908901/IMG_5939.png?

ex=65a482eb&is=65920deb&hm=21bae4e8fd545d1b83a3e50 2aab5fad874f075205b79aa7ca33ab2e5b6f35527&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ba64e65f4a326&

Me as a child:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...720b6bfa60317&
Me as a baby:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...59d6e4648f0aa&

Me meeting Ibrahim Tencer/hotel ambush/exodus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4b64877a0c261&

Me meeting my dual, which I didn’t realize it at time, and I don’t take duality as seriously as I once did, because enneagram type and its health determines more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...64c37163b1133&

My face (and body language is (are) pretty giving away that I’m an introvert, weak Se type, and am a feeler… My eyes have this very detached look… Which is quite typical of Ni.

Something to keep in mind is that I have all 4D Se type family members, so this may have rubbed off on me a bit, combined with that I’m autistic (executive challenges), and have an extreme case of complex ptsd.

[Distance]

Well, if it is any consolation pseudomorph is typed different, sometimes, than the real type, even one type being SEI.

I'm sure i come off as that way too, by some.

Alive is sure i'm IEI, but he says that about most here.

The sky is the limit on our perceptions.

[Sapphire]

Why don’t you look at reports people have written about me, who have actually fucking met me for 6-7 hours in person:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...06b1dd19163e0&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...00479c924ce9a&

Neither EIE or “SEE” like huh. I love SEE’s to interact with, but if you type me as an SEE, you don’t see me correctly, how I am, and don’t acknowledge certain traits within me that are blatant.

For what it's worth, people here don't seem to have a good grasp on what an EIE is outside of misogynistic "drama queen" tropes. The thing is, it's unlikely that someone who engages in these type of introspective, theoretical arguments in niche online spaces (this forum and indeed other "typology" related sites) is going to be 1D Ti or 1D Ni (or both, in the case of the ludicrous SEE typing).
EIE is vastly overtyped on here to the point EIE accusations are almost the gateway into the socionics community, could be said you haven't had the full experience until you receive one lol. In most cases (including myself here and you based on those descriptions from people who have interacted with you), I believe it would become apparent very quickly that the individual is not Fe base.

[Braingel]

Well, if it is any consolation pseudomorph is typed different, sometimes, than the real type, even one type being SEI.

I'm sure i come off as that way too, by some.

Alive is sure i'm IEI, but he says that about most here.

The sky is the limit on our perceptions.

I believe you’re probably an IEE for what it’s worth.. 6 core, 7 core.. with some 9 fix, or a 9 core

very Ne base and 7ish core name.. probably a 4 fix

[Sapphire]

I'd also like to second @Expansion being Ne base, I'd probs say 7 core over 6 core though based on what I've seen from them

[Distance]

Yeah, the perennial question is what is the PoLR between IEE or ILE for me, and i know i can walk in empathic mirroring shoes, and from what i gather this is Fi, because i see the person in a model, and if i input scenarios to that model, i strip away the non essentials and find what they might do, or why they do it, or why they won't. I feel what they feel, if i want to go there.


Thanks for the input by you two.

[Braingel]

Yeah, the perennial question is what is the PoLR between IEE or ILE for me, and i know i can walk in empathic mirroring shoes, and from what i gather this is Fi, because i see the person in a model, and if i input scenarios to that model, i strip away the non essentials and find what they might do, or why they do it, or why they won't. I feel what they feel, if i want to go there.


Thanks for the input by you two.

You can understand emotional states and have some cultural understandings, like how you factors that in with Sol.. You also said you get on best with Te types.. points to IEE

[necrosebud]

It’s just how poorly does someone even have to interpret me to get SEE out of me? This hurts my social 4 core so bad, because this literally means people aren’t seeing or valuing the things about myself that I want them to, like my imagination, creative in genuinely, dreaminess, idealism, sophistry..

Mb bc sensing

I have noticed skepticism esp with 1D Ne type doesn’t matter if they type as Ne suggestive and taking things at face value rather than purported potential indirectly explained by you or another person

just an idea

could also be S in general tbh

[Braingel]

Yeah it’s just a very surprising typing.. I’ve only received this typing once as a hate typing from someone who absolutely hates me out of his 6 core projection and misinterpretation aside from this.. He has borderline personality and split me on..

It’s so surprising, because I’ve never been concrete, athletic, able to keep track of my surroundings.. I define Se as being able to track the environment in a global way. I can’t even drive a car, because I am so bad at this. I can’t and have never been able to do a single push-up or pull-up, and my parents tortured me by roping me into endless thematics that I always struggled so severely in, and I even got further made fun of..

I’ve next to no ability with sensory shit, aside from a more immature, infantile Si ability.. I can mix soothing essential oils, make things a bit more comfortable and warm/uplifting, and have an eye for a bit of aesthetic harmony.. Outside of this, I have absolutely no sensory ability. I always run into things from being unaware of my surroundings and I’ve almost blinded myself twice from this. I’m constantly falling and tripping. I’ve injured teeth from it, amid more.

I have two sensory interests.. Because of sensors I’ve been around who introduced me into them.. In a youth facility there was an MBTI ISFP, who may have been an EII in socionics, who exposed the youth to essential oils.. I fell in love and idealized their alchemy and made of them archetypes… And I dug deep into it on my own and made my own insights and theories.. Then, I had an IEE autism worker in a program I am in who took all these donations from sensors.. So they’re not really directly around me.. Who donated beads, and I found bedding is great for my autism stimming and I make symbolic and harmonious in beauty, bracelets and whatnot.. But I still struggle with that and often break the necklace when I have to tie them and start over.. And sometimes struggle with the physical manipulation or getting things through and having puncture the bead more..

[Braingel]

Aromatherapy and beading are about as sensing I can be. I’ve tried to garden.. But I can’t ever keep up with it, even though I absolutely love plants, and forming a relation with them. I pose safety hazards with using a stove and have caught things on fire and burnt myself before… I suck with tracking even that sort of thing.. Can’t do that.

Even when I tried to horseback ride when my parents put me in this, which isn’t quite the same as a direct sport, I eventually couldn’t handle it anymore, because I could never post right; rise and fall with the horse’s rhythm. I’ve one of the shittiest abilities with Se I’ve ever seen, even though I appreciate, admire and am attracted to it in others.

[Braingel]

Yeah it’s just a very surprising typing.. I’ve only received this typing once as a hate typing from someone who absolutely hates me out of his 6 core projection and misinterpretation aside from this.. He has borderline personality and split me on..

It’s so surprising, because I’ve never been concrete, athletic, able to keep track of my surroundings.. I define Se as being able to track the environment in a global way. I can’t even drive a car, because I am so bad at this. I can’t and have never been able to do a single push-up or pull-up, and my parents tortured me by roping me into endless thematics that I always struggled so severely in, and I even got further made fun of..

I’ve next to no ability with sensory shit, aside from a more immature, infantile Si ability.. I can mix soothing essential oils, make things a bit more comfortable and warm/uplifting, and have an eye for a bit of aesthetic harmony.. Outside of this, I have absolutely no sensory ability. I always run into things from being unaware of my surroundings and I’ve almost blinded myself twice from this. I’m constantly falling and tripping. I’ve injured teeth from it, amid more.

I have two sensory interests.. Because of sensors I’ve been around who introduced me into them.. In a youth facility there was an MBTI ISFP, who may have been an EII in socionics, who exposed the youth to essential oils.. I fell in love and idealized their alchemy and made of them archetypes… And I dug deep into it on my own and made my own insights and theories.. Then, I had an IEE autism worker in a program I am in who took all these donations from sensors.. So they’re not really directly around me.. Who donated beads, and I found bedding is great for my autism stimming and I make symbolic and harmonious in beauty, bracelets and whatnot.. But I still struggle with that and often break the necklace when I have to tie them and start over.. And sometimes struggle with the physical manipulation or getting things through and having puncture the bead more..

Athletics

[Sapphire]

Yeah, the perennial question is what is the PoLR between IEE or ILE for me, and i know i can walk in empathic mirroring shoes, and from what i gather this is Fi, because i see the person in a model, and if i input scenarios to that model, i strip away the non essentials and find what they might do, or why they do it, or why they won't. I feel what they feel, if i want to go there.


Thanks for the input by you two.

I also think you communicate in rather "flowery" language so to speak which I would say points away from Ti ego and in your case indicates IEE

[necrosebud]

Yeah it’s just a very surprising typing.. I’ve only received this typing once as a hate typing from someone who absolutely hates me out of his 6 core projection and misinterpretation aside from this.. He has borderline personality and split me on..

It’s so surprising, because I’ve never been concrete, athletic, able to keep track of my surroundings.. I define Se as being able to track the environment in a global way. I can’t even drive a car, because I am so bad at this. I can’t and have never been able to do a single push-up or pull-up, and my parents tortured me by roping me into endless thematics that I always struggled so severely in, and I even got further made fun of..

I’ve next to no ability with sensory shit, aside from a more immature, infantile Si ability.. I can mix soothing essential oils, make things a bit more comfortable and warm/uplifting, and have an eye for a bit of aesthetic harmony.. Outside of this, I have absolutely no sensory ability. I always run into things from being unaware of my surroundings and I’ve almost blinded myself twice from this. I’m constantly falling and tripping. I’ve injured teeth from it, amid more.

I have two sensory interests.. Because of sensors I’ve been around who introduced me into them.. In a youth facility there was an MBTI ISFP, who may have been an EII in socionics, who exposed the youth to essential oils.. I fell in love and idealized their alchemy and made of them archetypes… And I dug deep into it on my own and made my own insights and theories.. Then, I had an IEE autism worker in a program I am in who took all these donations from sensors.. So they’re not really directly around me.. Who donated beads, and I found bedding is great for my autism stimming and I make symbolic and harmonious in beauty, bracelets and whatnot.. But I still struggle with that and often break the necklace when I have to tie them and start over.. And sometimes struggle with the physical manipulation or getting things through and having puncture the bead more..

I have noticed that sometimes, individuals are very skeptical and closed off to certain avenues of info, kind of correlated it with weak Ne and generally Se valuing but may not necessarily be the case. So even if you were to explain in detail why you don't think xyz I am not sure how... fruitful that might be.

from what I understand upper body strength is something that needs to be developed in women, I was not able to do those things by default, and even now cannot do non-assisted pull-up, but might be able to do pushup

[Distance]

I also think you communicate in rather "flowery" language so to speak which I would say points away from Ti ego and in your case indicates IEE

Yeah, someone here said flowery in his report on being non T at onetime, early on.

Interesting how we come across to others, 2 EII here on the forum typed me ILE, just on Fe, in what i produce out of it.

They are Fe ignore, so it might look alien to come from Te/Fi sides. Any EII i see here in text, is quite dry in it, like not responding to it, to share in it.

[Sapphire]

Yeah, someone here said flowery in his report on being non T at onetime, early on.

Interesting how we come across to others, 2 EII here on the forum typed me ILE, just on Fe, in what i produce out of it.

They are Fe ignore, so it might look alien to come from Te/Fi sides. Any EII i see here in text, is quite dry in it, like not responding to it, to share in it.

I mean I can't speak to their typings but IEEs do have 4D Fe so it wouldn't be abnormal for one to display Fe. I think people overestimate how similar their extraverted counterpart is to them - in the case of EII and IEE, 4D Fi and Ni is going to show up differently to 4D Ne and Fe. In the same way that an EIE is likely gonna show up as a lot more animated and high-energy than someone like me or Braingel.
That and a lot of people seem to have a warped perception of what Fe is

[Distance]

I mean I can't speak to their typings but IEEs do have 4D Fe so it wouldn't be abnormal for one to display Fe. I think people overestimate how similar their extraverted counterpart is to them - in the case of EII and IEE, 4D Fi and Ni is going to show up differently to 4D Ne and Fe. In the same way that an EIE is likely gonna show up as a lot more animated and high-energy than someone like me or Braingel.
That and a lot of people seem to have a warped perception of what Fe is

Yep. I notice 2 EIE here, mr drapetomaniac and another sports a clear no type badge id, that Ne spills out in posts weaving together many ideas in forming divergent themes, so i just say we are reversed in symmetry with Fe and Ne, where Fe is there from my backside.

[Braingel]

Aromatherapy and beading are about as sensing I can be. I’ve tried to garden.. But I can’t ever keep up with it, even though I absolutely love plants, and forming a relation with them. I pose safety hazards with using a stove and have caught things on fire and burnt myself before… I suck with tracking even that sort of thing.. Can’t do that.

Even when I tried to horseback ride when my parents put me in this, which isn’t quite the same as a direct sport, I eventually couldn’t handle it anymore, because I could never post right; rise and fall with the horse’s rhythm. I’ve one of the shittiest abilities with Se I’ve ever seen, even though I appreciate, admire and am attracted to it in others.

Both my Se and Te are trash for that matter