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    I think Si polr is the most important aspect to consider when you have to understand if someone is EIE or not. It could even bring in mistyping them for ESEs or SEIs if you just consider how they "appear". So...

    Si polr to me is just the inability to be in comfort in general, both with the physical world (they can't be just "automatic" relating to it) and with their mental state.

    For exemple, they don't know how to properly sit on a chair, what kind of posture is normal etc. Even when they sit in a normal way, they are so self conscious and uncomfortable that people would perceive they are sitting weirdly, while a Si valuer could sit weirdly while still appearing natural and in comfort. This doesn't mean IMO that they are not interested in how they appear, or they wouldn't be good actors. They just don't naturally know how to do it well because they are constantly self conscious cause of their creative Ni, which is "purpose seeking" rather than oriented to the quality of the stimuli and the general comfort.

    I noticed this lack of Si generates also constant anxiety and the most common way they have to cope with it is bringing their energy to their mob Se, which express this discomfort in various way.

    So, I noticed different approaches:
    - They completely neglect Si and just keep doing terrible postures, being uncaring about appearance etc. (maybe every XIEs starts this way because it is their weakness), trying to not improve;
    - they substitute their lack of Si with being too much expressive and they try to make an impact with their physical appearance in a weird way, for exemple dressing as a goth, or as an armani model just to go to the supermarket, or doing a lot of tatoos and piercings; they could dislike appearing "normal". Most of the EIEs I know do this (and these are the most common type of EIEs imo);
    - Some of them could decide to work about it, yet their results will be mixed and sometimes weird. For exemple, if they want to show theirselves to be able to appear in a state they perceive as "normal" (because they could actually desire to do it), it is like they exaggerate their postures and people can easily perceive XIEs being in "manual mode" or just uncomfortable. Having their back very straight, giving the impression they have a broom in the a$$, or trying new posture or facial expression etc. Also, some of them could spend a lot of time caring about their physical appearance and end up being externally "perfect" and trendy like a Si valuer, yet they still couldn't fit in due to their self-consciousness. I have this EIE friend who looks like a Si lead, but if you spend 5 minutes with him you understand he is undercover lol. He watches every f*cking reflex of himself he can find (car glasses, shop glasses, his phone etc.) and complain about his hairs even if everyone doesn't give a f0ck and jus want to chill. But he feels everyone is judging him so he must be perfect. A lot of people also says this guys makes too much expressive facial expressions and sometimes they find it funny even when he wanted to be taken seriously.

    Ironically, EIEs being good actors is due also to their concern in this matter. Being so self conscious give them the skill to learn a lot of different way of showing theirselves, but they would feel natural in doing so only if they are doing something for a purpose, for exemple working for a movie or wanting to affect someone else.

    Also, talking about mental states, another EIE I know said this to me:
    "I just can't relax. Even when I done everything I planned and I could take some time to relax, I always think "what is the meaning of life if there is not any problem to be preoccupied about", and so I must create some problem in my mind"
    He also explained to me he doesn't feel in comfort even when he is sleeping. He could get up at a decided hour without any alarm to wake him, because he has this "ready" mental state everytime.

    I will add other ideas about it, but I want your opinions too. What do you think about Si PolR?

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    I just know that when EIE was sick at work the ESE at work tried to take care of her by empathizing and touching the EIE’s hair, by making sentimental remarks like “aww you don’t look well; is there anything I can do?” Maybe EIE look and come across as not being able to be in a state of comfort when they are ill sending out the “help me” call card.

    To be fair when I’m sick I look like hell too who doesn’t ? I just say “i’m on my cocktail” and maybe don’t send out the calling card as much since I’m introverted or don’t work around people.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I thought Si PoLR had more to do with how you can be kind of "prickly" and abrasive to others, and not make your words sound super comforting. ((asshole LIE businessman archetype or provocative EIE drag queen etc)) Sometimes the Si PoLR can be over the top nice and sensitive too though, like it goes both ways because SEIs have 3D ignoring Se etc. More prominent in ethicals maybe because 'feelings are weaknesses and thoughts are strength!' in a campy way etc.

    But I like this explanation as well.

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