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    Question What's my type + Video

    Made a loom video: https://www.loom.com/share/37d4872bb...ce7aecf6f3b76e

    You don't need to watch everything if you already have a hunch within a minute let me know. I am also curious to hear about your reasoning.

    If it helps my MBTI type is INTP, enneagram 5w4.

    Little update:

    I know I come across as a robot but I want to thank all of you who watched the video and commented it is greatly appreciated. I will consider all points of view and carefully analyze them to ascertain the truth.

    2nd Update:

    Videos talking about my interest, from when I was skinny fat dork with minimal care for my appearance. Probably more accurate and less biased since I don't know whether I am being typed or not. These videos are from 4 years ago:
    Discussing introversion vs extroversion (no face): https://youtu.be/_cT0dqseP_E
    Discussing IQ and ADHD (face shows): https://youtu.be/Q5NAWOs5BQY
    About the concept of abstraction: https://youtu.be/nNBpbhH7pfU

    On the channel there is also a video Identity & Habits, explaining my identity engineering protocol and why I may come across differently in the first loom video. The Identity & Habits was from 3 years ago the first time I started doing self-development, chasing success etc. Went from dork to stud. I learned it form a course. Hopefully this will help with the accuracy of of people trying to type me and more consistency.

    Writing:
    Attempting to solve Theseus' Ship paradox (on a few strips of Adderall, best time of my life): https://www.docdroid.net/0aAihe2/theseus-ship-pdf
    Some more writing: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...usp=share_link

    Topics: Neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, clairvoyance, personal thoughts

    My take on fashion since this is a much debated point:
    My natural standing on clothes is that comfort is king. When I was younger I used to walk around with hoodies and sweatpants most of the time and fluctuate between trying to look presentable and just wearing a comfy hoody. I was the type to walk around with holes in my clothes and ripped shoes. I still do. But usually with undergarments, I love clothes but hate the process of buying them i.e. going outside in a mall, fitting the clothes, dressing again and again etc. As I started to become a bit older (I am 28 now) I started doing self development the most important things that have affected my mind is being around 12% body fat percentage, eating clean, only water, supplements like ashwagandha all of this have contributed to more testosterone and a change in attitude towards status and social games related subjects like clothes. Now I want to look as good as possible. I have also been a visual person, drawing, making sprite movies, youtube videos, crappy fighting movies that I edited with crappy sound effects in windows moviemaker and other visual activities. Fashion to me is like building your character in a video game. There are some strict principles I follow when it comes to personal aesthetics but I don't regard fashion as a singular topic it is about the big picture. How well your face is groomed and how lean you are is as important. Man maketh the clothes, not the reversed. My fashion sense is mostly based on inspiration and I can get that inspiration from anywhere ranging from songs, movies, books but also anime, manga and comic books. It is usually a specific impression I got from a piece of media that often becomes an inspiration for buying the next piece. For example, I read this webtoon called Lookism, the protagonist was wearing Balenciaga speedrunner shoes and got a lot of compliments from the characters in the comic. So I als ordered the exact same shoes. I know this may come across autistic af to some, but I don't mind I am just genuinely explaining my thoughts. Also being well of has kinda turned this into a hobby with limitless resources. It is a fact that wearing expensive clothes makes you feel better by the fact that you know you are wearing expensive clothes (others don't need to know), there is research on this. And I like to optimize everything about my life including clothes as to not cut corners. But there is also a contradicting part about my like for fashion, I actually dislike it when my outfit draws too much attention, this feeling started to emerge when I first started wearing really good clothes. Now I try to be a bit more subtle about my fashion choices as to not draw too much attention, I avoid big brands like Louis Vuitton for example or crazy designs. 90% of my clothes are black.
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    Hum right off you come off pretty serious

    LII come to mind on the first instinct
    But you said you associate with INTP in the mbti?

    Can you please tell me the traits that you think of your self from the behaviors described in INTP

    Conflict avoidance

    Yeah you have a typical Alpha view about “the superior human race”
    Very ILE LII
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Hello,

    Thank you for the reply. I am indeed 90% of the times very serious, even my mom said this about when I was a kid.


    I do like what you said about my view. It is indeed something a long the line of being the greatest. But not in a shallow results oriented way something more a long the lines of becoming immortal. A little bit more immaterial.
    I love this quote from Heraclitus: "1 man is worth 1000 if he is extraordinary".

    The thing I identify most with INTP is having a large web of principles inside of your mind that gives the INTP an accurate representation of reality. One side of that web for me is the theory of evolution. It is such a fundamental first principle that you can use and apply to understand almost all human behavior, even in day to day life. In a sense getting to the bottom of something and using that fundamental understanding in other areas that seem unrelated at first. That would be a key trait of my thinking. But I can also be results oriented and efficiency oriented when it comes to execution and make judgements about what is important or not for something to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadaraZero View Post
    Hello,

    Thank you for the reply. I am indeed 90% of the times very serious, even my mom said this about when I was a kid.


    I do like what you said about my view. It is indeed something a long the line of being the greatest. But not in a shallow results oriented way something more a long the lines of becoming immortal. A little bit more immaterial.
    I love this quote from Heraclitus: "1 man is worth 1000 if he is extraordinary".

    The thing I identify most with INTP is having a large web of principles inside of your mind that gives the INTP an accurate representation of reality. One side of that web for me is the theory of evolution. It is such a fundamental first principle that you can use and apply to understand almost all human behavior, even in day to day life.
    Yeah LII would be pretty much right on I think
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    most possible: ILE, IEI, ILI

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    IEI
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Incredibly mechanical output. Hard to grasp even ounce of valued Ti. Just what works TM. Te ego. Somewhere in the realm of SLI or ILI maybe even LIE.
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    Yea I see what you mean. It depends on the context though. But thanks for the input anyway.

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    ILI makes more sense imho.

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    05:18
    All of this stems from an annoyance of things not being in the correct place. I love putting things in the proper place physically and mentally.

    I don't see SLI being conflict avoidant
    11:53
    My most recent conflicts, I tend to be conflict avoidant because I'm afraid. I'm afraid of what will be, of what I will be capable when I'm truly mad.

    I see LII doing this!

    13:48
    People have said I can be prickly sometimes too direct to honest. I also seem to be bad at playing the social game.

    Someone needs to help you with playing the social game

    You need someone to help you with social gatherings extroversion inviting you out that's what you seek from your ILE friend

    15:45
    He invites me to social gatherings a lot. So that's the only area in my life that would require some outside help is going out more.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Ordering your environment is usually a trait of normalizing subtypes

    https://wikisocion.net/en/index.php/..._Vera_Borisova

    Dunno how valued Ti is so hard to grasp, since he pretty much mentioned in the beginning that he cuts straight to the point, which is Ti, separating the important things from the unnecessary stuff, reducing things to the essentials. His mind is too occupied with self-improvement to be Si valuing. I doubt he's an INTP
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    You guys aren't making it any easier for me haha, the data is all over the places and extremely nuanced. I do love being nostalgic and routine. Sometimes I Just like to indulge into a memory from the past when I get reminded of it by association. But it happens occasionally not much. Based on MBTI that would be Si indicator or some weaker form of it. Thanks for the input anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadaraZero View Post
    You guys aren't making it any easier for me haha, the data is all over the places and extremely nuanced. I do love being nostalgic and routine. Sometimes I Just like to indulge into a memory from the past when I get reminded of it by association. But it happens occasionally not much. Based on MBTI that would be Si indicator or some weaker form of it. Thanks for the input anyway
    Ni, with some ethics too, in Socionics

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    Quote Originally Posted by nifl View Post
    Ni, with some ethics too, in Socionics
    It is fascinating how that is regarded as Ni in socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadaraZero View Post
    It is fascinating how that is regarded as Ni in socionics.
    MBTI and socionics have somewhat different definitions of the functions, with Si being this kind of memory based function in MBTI. In socionics, Ni is the function that is interested in future trends and developments. To predict them the function searches for recurring patterns in the past and projects into the future. Model G is a Model that is developed by Victor Gulenko, a socionics researcher from ukraine that is one of the most well-known researchers of the theory. socionics itself is based on Model A, which was developed by a woman called Aushra Augusta. Model G is a variation of that model but I would ignore that as a beginner for now.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    YOUR all about those systems

    16:52
    Yeah, man, I love to build, especially systems like the way I do design or design agencies, very systemized, extremely efficient.

    7:04
    I've built it with minimum resources. So the costs are very low, but it's basically like an interconnections of different tools and systems and websites that work together.

    17:15
    And it's almost semi-automated, which is incredibly hard to do for a service-based business. But yeah, basically people go on our website, they can order a service, they can, they can schedule themselves in each day.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Can't believe you put up with my ramblings until the end. I am truly grateful for the insights this will be valuable data points to consider.

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    LII

    i havent watched the video just saw ur face
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    Not emotive in the slightest and mechanical as they put it, unlikely ethical type. "I can be too direct, too honest" not inclined to soften the punch also indicates T type. Possibly Te valuing.
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    You are right, I do feel like my face looks the most like the LII type. I assessed this back a few years ago before knowing socionics conceptually. I still don't understand it that well. It isn't strange to think that mind and body are connected and that we have certain phenotypes of bodies and minds correlated to specific gene expressions. Thank you for bringing this up to me again.

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    Te

    ILI makes sense. I also agree with sanguine miasma
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadaraZero View Post
    Made a loom video: https://www.loom.com/share/37d4872bb...ce7aecf6f3b76e

    You don't need to watch everything if you already have a hunch within a minute let me know. I am also curious to hear about your reasoning.

    If it helps my MBTI type is INTP, enneagram 5w4.
    Hello MadaraZero. First of all, thank you for uploading that video. It helped me to apply practically the knowledge I've collected from the theory.

    I'm going to answer this from the Modela G perspective: You're an LSI (100%) - Dominant subtype (80%) [Inspector - Demander]. If you would like further information, send me a private message.

    MY NEW CONCLUSION: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...araZero-thread
    Last edited by Reaktor; 01-26-2023 at 06:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaktor View Post
    Hello MadaraZero. First of all, thank you for uploading that video. It helped me to apply practically the knowledge I've collected from the theory.

    I'm going to answer this from the Modela G perspective: You're an LSI (100%) - Dominant subtype (80%) [Inspector - Demander]. If you would like further information, send me a private message.
    Hello, thank you for taking the time to do this for me. But I don't think I am LSI, and that is my own mistake for not articulating myself properly in the video, I think I still must have a bit of brainfogg due to an intense sparring session I had at my boxing gym. I have some weird ideas about reality that I even I don't feel comfortable sharing with strangers. I mainly see with my senses what is not there, imaginary things and patterns. I am prone to hallucinations and often mistake physical objects with people or 'misssee' things. Or even hear things that are not there or often I end up confused about the direction of where a sound comes from. My mind is prone to seeking meaning in numbers, words and patterns I see in my environment. For example, I keep seeing 11:11 and other number patterns. I know it is probably related to some form of higher order thinking or creativity or an overload of dopamine in my brain, which is good since I also like the way I feel in my brain and body, but it is tempting to attribute meaning, my mind is inclined to do so. Hopefully that made sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadaraZero View Post
    Hello, thank you for taking the time to do this for me. But I don't think I am LSI, and that is my own mistake for not articulating myself properly in the video, I think I still must have a bit of brainfogg due to an intense sparring session I had at my boxing gym. I have some weird ideas about reality that I even I don't feel comfortable sharing with strangers. I mainly see with my senses what is not there, imaginary things and patterns. I am prone to hallucinations and often mistake physical objects with people or 'misssee' things. Or even hear things that are not there or often I end up confused about the direction of where a sound comes from. My mind is prone to seeking meaning in numbers, words and patterns I see in my environment. For example, I keep seeing 11:11 and other number patterns. I know it is probably related to some form of higher order thinking or creativity or an overload of dopamine in my brain, which is good since I also like the way I feel in my brain and body, but it is tempting to attribute meaning, my mind is inclined to do so. Hopefully that made sense.
    Maybe from MBTi or Model A you're not an LSI, but I can guarantee you 100% from Model G you're an LSI - Dominant subtype with enhanced P (Te), based on what how you described yourself and your personal relationships. Of course if I knew you better the subtype conclusion might change, since I observed that some LSI tend to exagerate traits about them (I'm not saying this applies to you). Probably you won't change your mind. Your concept of what Intuition is, is wrong. LII intuition is practical, LSI intuition is aimed for transcendental or mystycal stuff, although LSI tend to deny mystycal stuff per se: My LSI friend is very interested in Buddha, No duality, all types of phylosophy, etc. Of course fools will say he is not an LSI but an IEI. The irony is that such fools don't see the big mistype they made on themselves, not being able to differentiate Ti+ command from Ti- command.

    Remember that being LII, LSI, etc etc doesn't matter. You are from the Beta Quadra, a quadra which basically wrote history in a nutshell. The most powerful Quadra, the Quadra of Empires. You're very competent. If you were an LII from the Model G perspective, you would 80/100 times never become what you are nowadays. Your aims and goals would be others. Hope this helped.

    Feel free to answer, if you still not agree with my typing I will understand it, but I won't reply back since it's pointless. Nobody will change his mind. If you want to read that descriptions with an open mind without any mental structure created of being a certain image of a type, I will happily provide it to you during the next week, when I have some free time. Just send me a message.

    MY NEW CONCLUSION: https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...araZero-thread
    Last edited by Reaktor; 01-26-2023 at 06:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaktor View Post
    Maybe from MBTi or Model A you're not an LSI, but I can guarantee you 100% from Model G you're an LSI - Dominant subtype with enhanced P (Te), based on what how you described yourself and your personal relationships. Of course if I knew you better the subtype conclusion might change, since I observed that some LSI tend to exagerate traits about them (I'm not saying this applies to you). Probably you won't change your mind. Your concept of what Intuition is, is wrong. LII intuition is practical, LSI intuition is aimed for transcendental or mystycal stuff, although LSI tend to deny mystycal stuff per se: My LSI friend is very interested in Buddha, No duality, all types of phylosophy, etc. Of course fools will say he is not an LSI but an IEI. The irony is that such fools don't see the big mistype they made on themselves, not being able to differentiate Ti+ command from Ti- command.

    Remember that being LII, LSI, etc etc doesn't matter. You are from the Beta Quadra, a quadra which basically wrote history in a nutshell. The most powerful Quadra, the Quadra of Empires. You're very competent. If you were an LII from the Model G perspective, you would 80/100 times never become what you are nowadays. Your aims and goals would be others. Hope this helped.

    Feel free to answer, if you still not agree with my typing I will understand it, but I won't reply back since it's pointless. Nobody will change his mind. If you want to read that descriptions with an open mind without any mental structure created of being a certain image of a type, I will happily provide it to you during the next week, when I have some free time. Just send me a message.
    Hey man, first of all thank you for taking the time to answer I can see you take this very seriously and that is appreciated. I would like to disagree but quite frankly your mental model of the theory is too nuanced for me to even know how to disagree if that makes sense. I would have to read on it extensively and don't have the time to do so, unfortunately. But it seems like you use a different model that you refer to as Model G. If that is the case I will trust your expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadaraZero View Post
    Hello, thank you for taking the time to do this for me. But I don't think I am LSI, and that is my own mistake for not articulating myself properly in the video, I think I still must have a bit of brainfogg due to an intense sparring session I had at my boxing gym. I have some weird ideas about reality that I even I don't feel comfortable sharing with strangers. I mainly see with my senses what is not there, imaginary things and patterns. I am prone to hallucinations and often mistake physical objects with people or 'misssee' things. Or even hear things that are not there or often I end up confused about the direction of where a sound comes from. My mind is prone to seeking meaning in numbers, words and patterns I see in my environment. For example, I keep seeing 11:11 and other number patterns. I know it is probably related to some form of higher order thinking or creativity or an overload of dopamine in my brain, which is good since I also like the way I feel in my brain and body, but it is tempting to attribute meaning, my mind is inclined to do so. Hopefully that made sense.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    I don’t see a single drop of Se but I do see that Se Polr
    Yeah, my intuition still thinks there is something off about his evaluation. But who knows.

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    He looks much less busy with x1 playback speed, lol. It defaults to 1.2. So Te levels down. +20 % is a lot to keep up. Especially if you try to do VI and evaluate voice.
    Anyway,
    1. it adds great deal to logical tempo
    2. It adds great deal to dynamicity of movements

    No LII anyway, neither ILE.
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    Here are those mbti INTJ and INTP descriptions

    INTJ:

    I gotta figure out a way to upload this easily
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    In short. LII is not really seeking real life returns to their thoughts. Check people such as Paul Dirac who were comfortable being in their land of hypotheticals. That is Se PoLR.
    LSI after setting 1x playback speed works.
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    ILI imo. Maybe Dominant subtype. Body language is very dynamic, I see Te in how fast and accelerated and to the point you are, which also makes sense given your entrepreneurial qualities. Definitely look like a logical type, your mouth and eyes don't really match when you speak, ethical types have a more harmonious quality to their faces. I think E-commerce and the like is something that attracts NT types in general a lot more often, very technological. Very inquisitive with lots of intuitive interests, likes learning and applying new things. The way you're dressed also seems like the archetypal ILI. Kind of messy, wearing all black, hoodie and beanie, "doomer" like aesthetic. Some things you said too, like your systematic researched approach to fashion and how you present yourself, seems like trying to apply logic to Fe, which is something I would expect ILIs to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulum View Post
    ILI imo. Maybe Dominant subtype. Body language is very dynamic, I see Te in how fast and accelerated and to the point you are, which also makes sense given your entrepreneurial qualities. Definitely look like a logical type, your mouth and eyes don't really match when you speak, ethical types have a more harmonious quality to their faces. I think E-commerce and the like is something that attracts NT types in general a lot more often, very technological. Very inquisitive with lots of intuitive interests, likes learning and applying new things. The way you're dressed also seems like the archetypal ILI. Kind of messy, wearing all black, hoodie and beanie, "doomer" like aesthetic. Some things you said too, like your systematic researched approach to fashion and how you present yourself, seems like trying to apply logic to Fe, which is something I would expect ILIs to do.
    In the first place, this was also a hypothesis for me; ILI - Dominant subtype. However if you split up the dychotomies, temperament, etc you end up in LSI, also note that you might have the video sped up, as it is sped up by default. Out of the dychotomies / temperament; why I don't think he's an ILI in a nutshell? Because of E (Fe) in the context of being an ILI. For all the ILIs I know, both IRL or internet, it's not usual for them to refer to themselves as "I'm already clever enough" or "Creating a superior human being" not even in a humoristic context (I get that he's joking). Maybe if the ILI is surrounded by friends he does. But he's making a video for random people in a forum!! They don't want to be the center of atention; it is more a "shadow-genius" position in the background for them (don't take the word genius seriously, it's an example / exageration).

    Also Scientific-Researcher mindset is nowhere to be found in any part of the video. You may argue that the fact that he wants to "learn the truth about himself" is refered to scientific-researcher mindset, but that's purely subjectivity and comfort seeking. It fits very well in the LSI way of thinking Ti-Si, gathering data, building logical models in order to understand everything in their lifes and get a sense of comfort. To understand from what is money to what are the sentiments from a logical POV.

    What do you think @Pendulum ? It's nice to meet another Model G user in the forum. There aren't many. This kind of surprises me and somehow dissapoints me, but it's what it's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaktor View Post
    In the first place, this was also a hypothesis for me; ILI - Dominant subtype. However if you split up the dychotomies, temperament, etc you end up in LSI, also note that you might have the video sped up, as it is sped up by default. Out of the dychotomies / temperament; why I don't think he's an ILI in a nutshell? Because of E (Fe) in the context of being an ILI. For all the ILIs I know, both IRL or internet, it's not usual for them to refer to themselves as "I'm already clever enough" or "Creating a superior human being" not even in a humoristic context (I get that he's joking). Maybe if the ILI is surrounded by friends he does. But he's making a video for random people in a forum!! They don't want to be the center of atention; it is more a "shadow-genius" position in the background for them (don't take the word genius seriously, it's an example / exageration).

    Also Scientific-Researcher mindset is nowhere to be found in any part of the video. You may argue that the fact that he wants to "learn the truth about himself" is refered to scientific-researcher mindset, but that's purely subjectivity and comfort seeking. It fits very well in the LSI way of thinking Ti-Si, gathering data, building logical models in order to understand everything in their lifes and get a sense of comfort. To understand from what is money to what are the sentiments from a logical POV.

    What do you think @Pendulum ? It's nice to meet another Model G user in the forum. There aren't many. This kind of surprises me and somehow dissapoints me, but it's what it's.
    Oh my god, true. Why on earth does this site speed up the video by default... Odd choice. I guess in most cases it doesn't matter but it in this specific case it changes a lot about the whole VI lol.

    After looking true it again, I think I agree with LSI. I admit I wasn't paying that much attention and didn't watch the whole thing, but on a second glance both his tone, his gaze, and his whole body seem to be too fixed into a single position, to the point where you can skip through minutes and they're still in the same place. That looks like balanced-stable to me. From what he indicates he's very disciplined, able to stand his ground and active, even physically which is more Se than one would expect from a ILI, a type which often falls victim to lethargy and prefers to be a conceptualiser moreso than an implementer. Also puts emphasis on his love for systematisation and organisation, even being into cleaning. A bit of Ti-Si here and in the other areas you mentioned. These types can blend in a bit on some areas depending on subtype and other attributes, both being process logical types with very strong Ti which can make LSIs look very abstract when they go deep into theory, but upon further examination he does seem to be a bit too grounded. It always goes back to his work or the things happening on his life somehow, and the things he does he usually does with a purpose. ILIs are more detached and wandering. Some of these things I had already noticed but just chalked up to subtype influence.

    Anyways this was a huge session of me arguing with myself much moreso than you (yay dialectics). In the end though I do agree with your type more than my original one. Not completely sure of it but while I did read a lot about Model G, I'm still quite inexperienced so I'm open to the possibility there's something we might have missed. But yeah my vote now goes for LSI.

    Also, nice to meet you too. I really do wish there were more people discussing SHS but honestly? I'm not surprised at all. Not only does it go against a lot of the Model A that people know that makes it look weird and blasphemous, especially with all the LSI and EIE typings that Gulenko does (which in my opinion says more about average person who's really invested into socionics than it says about his system), but also and most importantly, it's just hard to learn and understand and wrap your head around. There isn't a neat little wiki with tons of well put together resources from many different authors throughout the years going into detail about every part of the theory. Your biggest freely available resources are Gulenko's incredibly mid website which is shallow, especially in english, has some outdated information, bad type descriptions, and can sometimes leave you with more questions than answers or just begging for an elaboration. Aside from that you have his book which most won't bother buying, although there's a PDF online, which makes it not only piracy but inconvenient for most. And that's it really for official sources. Most of what I know I learned from reading lots of reddit comments from people who studied directly under Gulenko, that or Varlawend's blog. Model G is straight up paywalled and although I can understand that the guy needs to make a living, it's frustrating and sort of dooms it to be unpopular, because how will people agree with something they don't understand at all? I see more people getting into it every day but still, don't think it will ever be on par with A, the information on it is just too limited. Oh, well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulum View Post
    Also, nice to meet you too. I really do wish there were more people discussing SHS but honestly? I'm not surprised at all. Not only does it go against a lot of the Model A that people know that makes it look weird and blasphemous, especially with all the LSI and EIE typings that Gulenko does (which in my opinion says more about average person who's really invested into socionics than it says about his system), but also and most importantly, it's just hard to learn and understand and wrap your head around. There isn't a neat little wiki with tons of well put together resources from many different authors throughout the years going into detail about every part of the theory. Your biggest freely available resources are Gulenko's incredibly mid website which is shallow, especially in english, has some outdated information, bad type descriptions, and can sometimes leave you with more questions than answers or just begging for an elaboration. Aside from that you have his book which most won't bother buying, although there's a PDF online, which makes it not only piracy but inconvenient for most. And that's it really for official sources. Most of what I know I learned from reading lots of reddit comments from people who studied directly under Gulenko, that or Varlawend's blog. Model G is straight up paywalled and although I can understand that the guy needs to make a living, it's frustrating and sort of dooms it to be unpopular, because how will people agree with something they don't understand at all? I see more people getting into it every day but still, don't think it will ever be on par with A, the information on it is just too limited. Oh, well.
    I can't feel more related

    You can't imagine how hard for me it was to learn Model G without paying for Gulenko's classes, which, for me, at the moment of my life where I'm still a Uni Student without any sort of personal income, I can't afford. I also understand them to demand money, and honestly is not that expensive, if you had a salary. You can easily spend the amount of a course during 3 weekends of partying or if you had a tobbaco adiction, etc. I also find it kind of sad that he doesn't create a free source with good information and LOTS OF EXAMPLES. But I understand that translators might be expensive and probably Gulenko just gave up on the international community, since 90% don't pay atention to him. And, being honest, socionics community looks alike more to a madhouse/psychiatric/circus than a real research-orientated community. Yesterday I've read a guy who studied with Gulenko and had a lot of years of experience typing Cristiano Ronaldo as an IEI - Dominant, not ironically. The only thing that I could do at that moment is smile, close the PC and go to sleep

    I only own his book, bought it with like 21€, very cheap and it's really useful. It's like a portable wikisocionics about Model G. But the book itself has some printing errors, also bigger mistakes such as putting the wrong name to some things which can led to confusion if you don't pay attention and it has a big lack of examples. It wasn't easy for me, for example to understand terminal-initial / connectiveness-ignorativeness until I read some examples on reddit or Varlawend's blogg. But when you get the examples and return to the book, everything makes a lot more of sense. It's not a 1-time-reading book, it's like a partner in socionics, you always return to it xD.

    I feel like all the content about Model G is avalible if you own the book + translate ucranian SHS website via automatic google translator extension + watch Ben Vaserlan's videos with Victor G (these videos sometimes can get uncomfortable: Ben has a lot of weird friends ). The only thing left from there is to gather practical examples and to observe, which is a very hard process if you don't have previous examples, but not impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulum View Post
    Oh my god, true. Why on earth does this site speed up the video by default... Odd choice. I guess in most cases it doesn't matter but it in this specific case it changes a lot about the whole VI lol.

    After looking true it again, I think I agree with LSI. I admit I wasn't paying that much attention and didn't watch the whole thing, but on a second glance both his tone, his gaze, and his whole body seem to be too fixed into a single position, to the point where you can skip through minutes and they're still in the same place. That looks like balanced-stable to me. From what he indicates he's very disciplined, able to stand his ground and active, even physically which is more Se than one would expect from a ILI, a type which often falls victim to lethargy and prefers to be a conceptualiser moreso than an implementer. Also puts emphasis on his love for systematisation and organisation, even being into cleaning. A bit of Ti-Si here and in the other areas you mentioned. These types can blend in a bit on some areas depending on subtype and other attributes, both being process logical types with very strong Ti which can make LSIs look very abstract when they go deep into theory, but upon further examination he does seem to be a bit too grounded. It always goes back to his work or the things happening on his life somehow, and the things he does he usually does with a purpose. ILIs are more detached and wandering. Some of these things I had already noticed but just chalked up to subtype influence.

    Anyways this was a huge session of me arguing with myself much moreso than you (yay dialectics). In the end though I do agree with your type more than my original one. Not completely sure of it but while I did read a lot about Model G, I'm still quite inexperienced so I'm open to the possibility there's something we might have missed. But yeah my vote now goes for LSI.

    Also, nice to meet you too. I really do wish there were more people discussing SHS but honestly? I'm not surprised at all. Not only does it go against a lot of the Model A that people know that makes it look weird and blasphemous, especially with all the LSI and EIE typings that Gulenko does (which in my opinion says more about average person who's really invested into socionics than it says about his system), but also and most importantly, it's just hard to learn and understand and wrap your head around. There isn't a neat little wiki with tons of well put together resources from many different authors throughout the years going into detail about every part of the theory. Your biggest freely available resources are Gulenko's incredibly mid website which is shallow, especially in english, has some outdated information, bad type descriptions, and can sometimes leave you with more questions than answers or just begging for an elaboration. Aside from that you have his book which most won't bother buying, although there's a PDF online, which makes it not only piracy but inconvenient for most. And that's it really for official sources. Most of what I know I learned from reading lots of reddit comments from people who studied directly under Gulenko, that or Varlawend's blog. Model G is straight up paywalled and although I can understand that the guy needs to make a living, it's frustrating and sort of dooms it to be unpopular, because how will people agree with something they don't understand at all? I see more people getting into it every day but still, don't think it will ever be on par with A, the information on it is just too limited. Oh, well.
    These are the results of my identity engineering protocol. I had to literally make a list of things not serving me and remove them out of my life that includes a lot of INTP traits (MBTI INTP). If I didn't do that I would end up on streets. It was a necessity of survival. I went from reading Manly Palmer Hall to becoming a stereotypical Wall Street psycho all to gain a footing on life. All meticulously engineered and thought out. So I understand why you would attribute .e.g. my physical inclinations with Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaktor View Post
    In the first place, this was also a hypothesis for me; ILI - Dominant subtype. However if you split up the dychotomies, temperament, etc you end up in LSI, also note that you might have the video sped up, as it is sped up by default. Out of the dychotomies / temperament; why I don't think he's an ILI in a nutshell? Because of E (Fe) in the context of being an ILI. For all the ILIs I know, both IRL or internet, it's not usual for them to refer to themselves as "I'm already clever enough" or "Creating a superior human being" not even in a humoristic context (I get that he's joking). Maybe if the ILI is surrounded by friends he does. But he's making a video for random people in a forum!! They don't want to be the center of atention; it is more a "shadow-genius" position in the background for them (don't take the word genius seriously, it's an example / exageration).

    Also Scientific-Researcher mindset is nowhere to be found in any part of the video. You may argue that the fact that he wants to "learn the truth about himself" is refered to scientific-researcher mindset, but that's purely subjectivity and comfort seeking. It fits very well in the LSI way of thinking Ti-Si, gathering data, building logical models in order to understand everything in their lifes and get a sense of comfort. To understand from what is money to what are the sentiments from a logical POV.

    What do you think @Pendulum ? It's nice to meet another Model G user in the forum. There aren't many. This kind of surprises me and somehow dissapoints me, but it's what it's.
    The funny thing is I already knew someone was going to point out exactly what you said. But what you see in the video is years of self-development and introspection from crippling insecurity arriving at confidence, it only makes logical sense that when there is something bothering you physically and mentally you should solve it through action or introspection. I knew someone was going to point out exactly those lines you just said "I'm already clever enough" or "Creating a superior human being" and use that as an argument, while all in all it was just some in the moment witticism fueled by testosterone. The questions were extremely boring and hard to get through and I was also kinda depressed when I made that video I truly believe my true self didn't come out well in that video and I get why you are thinking what you are thinking based on that video.

    You don't seem to regard me scientific. And that is fine, I don't claim to be. I am 5w4 which on enneagram which less scientific indeed. But I have always loved science and research. Reading research papers, writing about them, writing about propositional logic, discrete mathematics, neuroscience etc. are some of my favorite topics to think about and learn about. But you are right, I don't do it for the sake of research or experimentation or science, I do it to build on my model of the world, I want to expand my general knowledge so that I can make more connections in my mind. My favourite book is GEB an eternal golden braid, a book weaving mathematics, music, computer science, philosophy and zen Buddhism into one. It is science, yet it is more artistic than science in my opinion. In that way I don't regard myself as an scientist more of an artist. Rather than doing a scientific experiment I am the type to try attempt the puzzle of Theseus' ship (which I have tried on a few strips of Adderal lol).

    Anyway, I do appreciate the effort you are putting in writing this, most definitely.

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    ILI uploading a video talking about themselves to get information on an esoteric, non-established theory? Yeah.. no

    There seems to be a general misunderstanding about logical types on this site, especially the introverted ones, who just don't share all that much with their environment
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    ILI uploading a video talking about themselves to get information on an esoteric, non-established theory? Yeah.. no

    There seems to be a general misunderstanding about logical types on this site, especially the introverted ones, who just don't share all that much with their environment
    With all due respect Alive, I don't see how you agree with Gulenko on any matter when you refuse to apply his theory. If you did you would see just how many people are (very obviously) incompatible with IEI as a type. You seem to tunnel vision into very specific things, like Ni being interested in psychology and typology and ethical because they show a video of themselves on the internet. Only with that contrived logic would this guy who doesn't show an ounce of ethics in neither speech nor face be classified under the same type of people like Aster. From a Model G perspective you ignore key dichotomies like static/dynamic and process/result, you ignore temperaments, you ignore the energy model, thinking somehow IEIs are the types to engage in Ti and be extremely proficient in it all the time when it's their Launcher, an energy pessimum function, ignore +/- signs and everything else that contradict your theory. Even when looking at Model A you expect us to believe that the dreamy romantic type with PoLR Te can describe themselves primarily as industrious, active, systematic and efficient and have its primary issues be not knowing how to deal with others' emotions and being too blunt?

    Saying there's a misunderstanding about what logical types are on this site seems arrogant to me, I don't think you'll find any place that actually agrees with you. One of the problems is that you focus too much on what the person does and not enough on why. If logical types couldn't believe in non-established theory none of them would ever be religious, and no science would ever get made, since it always starts as esoteric theory, and they would be limited to empiricism. Are people like Carl Jung, Aushra Augusta, Sigmund Freud and Viktor Gulenko all ethical types or did they simply not believe their own theories? Logical types will apply critical thinking and a healthy dose of skepticism but they may still show interest and believe in these theories. And while an ethical type would make a video sharing things about them to others as a social activity simply because they like sharing (this is Extraverted Ethics), a logical type would do it because they see it as the most optimal way to get an accurate assessment of their type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulum View Post
    With all due respect Alive, I don't see how you agree with Gulenko on any matter when you refuse to apply his theory. If you did you would see just how many people are (very obviously) incompatible with IEI as a type. You seem to tunnel vision into very specific things, like Ni being interested in psychology and typology and ethical because they show a video of themselves on the internet. Only with that contrived logic would this guy who doesn't show an ounce of ethics in neither speech nor face be classified under the same type of people like Aster. From a Model G perspective you ignore key dichotomies like static/dynamic and process/result, you ignore temperaments, you ignore the energy model, thinking somehow IEIs are the types to engage in Ti and be extremely proficient in it all the time when it's their Launcher, an energy pessimum function, ignore +/- signs and everything else that contradict your theory. Even when looking at Model A you expect us to believe that the dreamy romantic type with PoLR Te can describe themselves primarily as industrious, active, systematic and efficient and have its primary issues be not knowing how to deal with others' emotions and being too blunt?

    Saying there's a misunderstanding about what logical types are on this site seems arrogant to me, I don't think you'll find any place that actually agrees with you. One of the problems is that you focus too much on what the person does and not enough on why. If logical types couldn't believe in non-established theory none of them would ever be religious, and no science would ever get made, since it always starts as esoteric theory, and they would be limited to empiricism. Are people like Carl Jung, Aushra Augusta, Sigmund Freud and Viktor Gulenko all ethical types or did they simply not believe their own theories? Logical types will apply critical thinking and a healthy dose of skepticism but they may still show interest and believe in these theories. And while an ethical type would make a video sharing things about them to others as a social activity simply because they like sharing (this is Extraverted Ethics), a logical type would do it because they see it as the most optimal way to get an accurate assessment of their type.
    But I don't agree with Gulenko all that much. I make the conclusion that Ni+ is interested in novelty as I have spend my whole life with art, films, music, classic literature and so on and saw that the people that care about this too also have the same type. there just aren't that many types that go in-depth on novel concepts. I observe introverted logical types and they just don't share anything about them. they can sit in a room for 8 hours and not say a word. why would they create a video about themselves to talk about their life when IxTx types are the most secretive? you compare a guy to aster and I think that's just as nonsensical. let's say there are 100 million IEI out of a global population of 8 billion. do you think all of them behave exactly like aster? the thing that all these IEI have in common is that they upload videos of themselves as if it's just something casual to do when in reality such a thing is an absolute foreign concept to other types. yes, I think Freud, Aushra, and Jung had the same type, and that Gulenko stumbled upon socionics just like I did as LII. IEI and LII are the two types that introduce novelty to society. really, the whole point of being a logical type is that you do NOT upload videos talking about your life. that's really an important point people should at least consider.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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