How do I know if I am an EII or SEI? Or another completely different type?

[wanderingsoul]

moral principles & brooding points to Fi > Fe, no matter what Fe users seem to feel more "buoyant" than Fi
maybe a good way to discern would be to use quadras, Alpha quadra is seemingly "nerdy", curious and playful, and Delta quadra is serious disciplined and "fair". both are pretty laidback compared to Beta/Gamma
do you have a particular reason to think you're SEI? i can be pretty lazy too, i think that's Se polr to be totally honest (at least in the way I am) because i just forget about my environment and totally get lost in my own head. if i'm really stressing myself over trying to accomplish something i'll forego myself, but that's pretty rare and when it's over, i'm gonna go back to bed. yknow?

I have the impression that Si leading has some trouble with getting out of their comfort zone, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm also really focused on how comfortable I am at the moment, I'm sensitive to loud and unnecessary noises like engines, inconsiderate neighbors playing loud music, fireworks, firecrackers, call to prayers, loud gatherings, loud people, and many more, you get the picture, I would be really annoyed at best and would cry at worst if I constantly exposed to one of those.

[pasleine]

I have the impression that Si leading has some trouble with getting out of their comfort zone, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm also really focused on how comfortable I am at the moment, I'm sensitive to loud and unnecessary noises like engines, inconsiderate neighbors playing loud music, fireworks, firecrackers, call to prayers, loud gatherings, loud people, and many more, you get the picture, I would be really annoyed at best and would cry at worst if I constantly exposed to one of those.

i'm curious, is this sensory unpleasantness a constant thing or contextual?
cuz like, i like loud music if it's MY music, but i've been to a couple concerts i didn't particularly like the music of and it felt like sensory rape, was extremely loud and like at this one specific one ppl were being carried out on stretchers and stuff lol, it sucked
with my mom as an example(SEI), they definitely see "comfort" as their realm of expertise and will spend plenty of time indulging in things they enjoy. when they get bored they'll flash present you with a silly hypothetical but they will not spend much time entertaining it. she calls my LII dad an "absent professor" type because every time you throw a hypothetical at him he'll spend like 40 minutes thinking about it (way too long for Si lead), then he'll move on to the NEXT one.
much of their idea generation is harmlessly brief, but they can also be intensely morbid about possibilities and can play the part of like a mystic in a movie that tells you "do not go to the bridge" or whatever cuz they associate "the bridge" with all these terrible things. and they can be extremely stubborn about this, so if you tell them you're gonna go to the bridge anyway, they will try to stop you

[Popcorn]

EII imo, you aren't airy enough for SEI. SEI don't like to overthink or be too serious about things. They are suited for letting things go and not brooding. Also on a technical level, EII and SEI are benefit pairs and very similar, but EII has a stronger psychological link to Si(2D)+Fe(3D) through the HA, like more of what a type is when relaxed, whereas SEI is more like EII as an active performance, with Fi being their demonstrative. So EII would be more like ILI as a performance. Does that make sense?

It's basically which one represents you more
relaxed - type - performance
LSI<->SEI<->EII
SEI<->EII<->ILI

But EII is what I'd guess, if I had to guess.

[wanderingsoul]

i'm curious, is this sensory unpleasantness a constant thing or contextual?
cuz like, i like loud music if it's MY music, but i've been to a couple concerts i didn't particularly like the music of and it felt like sensory rape, was extremely loud and like at this one specific one ppl were being carried out on stretchers and stuff lol, it sucked
with my mom as an example(SEI), they definitely see "comfort" as their realm of expertise and will spend plenty of time indulging in things they enjoy. when they get bored they'll flash present you with a silly hypothetical but they will not spend much time entertaining it. she calls my LII dad an "absent professor" type because every time you throw a hypothetical at him he'll spend like 40 minutes thinking about it (way too long for Si lead), then he'll move on to the NEXT one.
much of their idea generation is harmlessly brief, but they can also be intensely morbid about possibilities and can play the part of like a mystic in a movie that tells you "do not go to the bridge" or whatever cuz they associate "the bridge" with all these terrible things. and they can be extremely stubborn about this, so if you tell them you're gonna go to the bridge anyway, they will try to stop you

Yeah, I like loud music if it's to my liking too but I try not to be too loud lest I disturb other people because I know how sucks it is to be annoyed.
I don't know if it's a type thing but my imagination goes way deeper and weirder, I feel like I'm an immaterial being from another world trapped into this prison we call flesh. I would like to free myself from this if I got the chance, unfortunately I don't know how.
Me and my friend talks about how we would be better off without a body, that existing as a primitive animal shaped by nature is disgusting.
I also do worldbuilding as a hobby. I have an idea about writing a math related fiction but I'm really terrible at math

And I'm still uncertain if my Ni or Ne is good enough, if it's obvious to you, you can call me oblivious :/

[seeking it]

Depressed or mentally sound, I have a low drive to succeed from the beginning unless it's interesting or important to me which most of the case not. I once failed a grade in first grade elementary school because I'm too focused on having fun while most of the peers my age back then are already studying diligently, probably pressured by their parents. Now that I'm older I realize how important school is for my future I start giving some effort even though it's not much.

EIIs are actually naturally conscientious and not this relaxed so maybe you really are Beta NF lol.

I don't know if it's a type thing but my imagination goes way deeper and weirder, I feel like I'm an immaterial being from another world trapped into this prison we call flesh. I would like to free myself from this if I got the chance, unfortunately I don't know how.
Me and my friend talks about how we would be better off without a body, that existing as a primitive animal shaped by nature is disgusting.
I also do worldbuilding as a hobby. I have an idea about writing a math related fiction but I'm really terrible at math

And I'm still uncertain if my Ni or Ne is good enough, if it's obvious to you, you can call me oblivious :/

What would the math related fiction be like? I mean I'm seriously asking, do you mind saying more on it?

Maybe it would help with typing too

Anyways the rest of what you said there, it's *stereotypically* very Si-devaluing and very Ni and blah. So yeah, beta NF. I actually know some beta NFs who I'm not sure if they are IEI or EIE but they've said things like your "I try to have strong moral principles and constantly brooding my worldviews to see if I'm in the right path."

More specifically, they'd say they spend a looot of time worrying about moral stuff, moral principles, whatever, things like that. Like getting really neurotic about it sometimes

I mean EII gets obsessed too with being moral and with achieving their moral potential or some such. But I've heard this from beta NFs too in one form or another

Also, if you can describe how you are a "mood breaker", maybe this would also help with typing.

as I only associate myself with like-minded people forming an ideological tribe. I don't bother to socialize with other people if I feel like we don't have anything in common

Oh yeah totallllly stereotypical Beta, "ideological tribe". Though IEEs can also be picky with social groups but maybe not like this, I'm not sure.

[wanderingsoul]

EIIs are actually naturally conscientious and not this relaxed so maybe you really are Beta NF lol.





What would the math related fiction be like? I mean I'm seriously asking, do you mind saying more on it?

Maybe it would help with typing too

Anyways the rest of what you said there, it's *stereotypically* very Si-devaluing and very Ni and blah. So yeah, beta NF. I actually know some beta NFs who I'm not sure if they are IEI or EIE but they've said things like your "I try to have strong moral principles and constantly brooding my worldviews to see if I'm in the right path."

More specifically, they'd say they spend a looot of time worrying about moral stuff, moral principles, whatever, things like that. Like getting really neurotic about it sometimes

I mean EII gets obsessed too with being moral and with achieving their moral potential or some such. But I've heard this from beta NFs too in one form or another

Also, if you can describe how you are a "mood breaker", maybe this would also help with typing.




Oh yeah totallllly stereotypical Beta, "ideological tribe". Though IEEs can also be picky with social groups but maybe not like this, I'm not sure.

Every individual prime factorization (idk how to word it better) has a culture for example when I see numbers of the form 2 × 11 like 22, 44, and 242 I get the vibe that they're gardeners who has beautifully decorated gardens all over their community or nation. They also got gothiclike vibe from the powers of 11. Their cultural fondness for nature is inherited from powers of 2. That's the general picture, for more information you could check out my reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Synesthesia...ead_until_the/

I remember when my extended family is being loud downstairs, I get really irritated I dashed to the door to go home immediately but my mom (ESI) who is concerned prevent me by asking where I'm going, we're actually out of our hometown and oddly enough, I don't have a car with me, (can't drive and don't wanna ����), house keys, and money so how am I supposed to go home? By walking? lol �� I tell my mom and grandma (SEI) in front of my uncle and aunt that they're being utterly noisy, so the former two promise to quiet down so I can calm down after that I went back to the room upstairs where I'm staying for the moment and end up crying because of how tired I am. I don't hear those noises ever again, uncle's family must have left.

It's embarrassing how an older teenager throw a small tantrum in front of people, probably because lack of sleep and being sick at the same time but it doesn't really justify my shameful behavior.

Antinatalism has affected my relationship with my birth family, during holiday extended family gatherings I acted on edge it weirded everyone out, my younger brother (who I guess is a ESE or is it SEI? His Fe is apparent but I don't think he's shown any Ni) even call me out on it ��
Every adult in my family has given birth and I see them as criminals unless they own up their mistakes, apologize, never do the same mistakes, and make sure that their remaining offsprings is safe from harm or suffering.

[seeking it]

Every individual prime factorization (idk how to word it better) has a culture for example when I see numbers of the form 2 × 11 like 22, 44, and 242 I get the vibe that they're gardeners who has beautifully decorated gardens all over their community or nation. They also got gothiclike vibe from the powers of 11. Their cultural fondness for nature is inherited from powers of 2. That's the general picture, for more information you could check out my reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Synesthesia...ead_until_the/

Now that's truly interesting lol. Do you mean you basically sense the factors in these numbers without having to make the conscious mental effort to do the factoring, or without having to use rote learning to remember them?

And are you like do you see full images, fully fleshed out pictures when you think of these numbers?

Here's something for you, do you relate to any of this as below?

Link to article:

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ognitive_style

(Download the PDF, it's free)

You don't have to read it all if you don't want to, just check out the pictures on page 722 (page 13 in the PDF) for the visual artist's vs the scientist's response to a question about a graph shown on page 721 (page 12).

I remember when my extended family is being loud downstairs, I get really irritated I dashed to the door to go home immediately but my mom (ESI) who is concerned prevent me by asking where I'm going, we're actually out of our hometown and oddly enough, I don't have a car with me, (can't drive and don't wanna ����), house keys, and money so how am I supposed to go home? By walking? lol �� I tell my mom and grandma (SEI) in front of my uncle and aunt that they're being utterly noisy, so the former two promise to quiet down so I can calm down after that I went back to the room upstairs where I'm staying for the moment and end up crying because of how tired I am. I don't hear those noises ever again, uncle's family must have left.

It's embarrassing how an older teenager throw a small tantrum in front of people, probably because lack of sleep and being sick at the same time but it doesn't really justify my shameful behavior.

Heh that reminds me of my brother when he wants to sleep, god save you from bothering him with anything then. He's anything but Si ego though, not Se PoLR either

And I mean, anyone who hasn't slept for long enough and is sick and all that, it's totally normal to get grumpy. I don't see that part as type related

What could be more type related is you wanting to run away like that without thinking it through first but I am not sure I mean how impulsive are you in general?

Anyways was that the example for breaking the mood?

Antinatalism has affected my relationship with my birth family, during holiday extended family gatherings I acted on edge it weirded everyone out, my younger brother (who I guess is a ESE or is it SEI? His Fe is apparent but I don't think he's shown any Ni) even call me out on it ��
Every adult in my family has given birth and I see them as criminals unless they own up their mistakes, apologize, never do the same mistakes, and make sure that their remaining offsprings is safe from harm or suffering.

That kinda doesn't sound any kind of Fe creative, they like to keep peace or a fun, light-ish atmosphere more and are more flexible in getting along with as many people as possible

[wanderingsoul]

Now that's truly interesting lol. Do you mean you basically sense the factors in these numbers without having to make the conscious mental effort to do the factoring, or without having to use rote learning to remember them?

For integers greater than 1000, I have to figure out their prime factorization to decide their personality, social role, and belonging. My OLP goes from a simpler concept to a more complex one.

And are you like do you see full images, fully fleshed out pictures when you think of these numbers?

Yes, I can clearly see the theme that each prime factorizations has. The views of cities, countries, states, even their political structures are crystal clear to me. Most of the time I'm not looking at the pictures, I'm looking at the interactions between the numbers. Coprime numbers barely interact with each other except for formal business.

Here's something for you, do you relate to any of this as below?

Link to article:

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ognitive_style

(Download the PDF, it's free)

You don't have to read it all if you don't want to, just check out the pictures on page 722 (page 13 in the PDF) for the visual artist's vs the scientist's response to a question about a graph shown on page 721 (page 12).

I think I'm more of an object visualizer... I'm still not quite sure.




Heh that reminds me of my brother when he wants to sleep, god save you from bothering him with anything then. He's anything but Si ego though, not Se PoLR either

And I mean, anyone who hasn't slept for long enough and is sick and all that, it's totally normal to get grumpy. I don't see that part as type related

What could be more type related is you wanting to run away like that without thinking it through first but I am not sure I mean how impulsive are you in general?

I'm impulsive when I don't want to stay in the same place for long. Another example of my impulsiveness, but due to boredom is when I go around exploring a small part of a foreign province (not really, we go there periodically for recreational reasons or whatnot) by myself. I spend a lot of money and I don't care if I got lost, better that way than being stuck in a religious, rigid, boarding school suggested by my dad, but I agree to enter anyway because I thought “Why not? Let's try a new environment”. That new environment turns out to be soul crushingly stifling, I got a lot of trouble with the residents including the caretakers. Despite my journey into the unknown, I don't get lost lol. It doesn't help that the dormitory I stayed in is freaking noisy, it makes me feel crazy. There's no place I can go to where it is quiet and serene, my room has 4 people in it for fuck's sake! Not to mention there are rooms that contain 12 people?!? Unbelievable! (At least in my opinion) it was hell for me. Luckily, I got out before I lose my sanity entirely. The people there probably think I'm the weirdest person they have ever encountered lol.

Anyways was that the example for breaking the mood?

Yeah, at least for me. Is it not?




That kinda doesn't sound any kind of Fe creative, they like to keep peace or a fun, light-ish atmosphere more and are more flexible in getting along with as many people as possible

I behave differently around schoolmates, teachers, acquaintances, friends (possibly colleagues too even though I haven't gone to work), strangers, people I don't know or aren't close to in general. I tend to keep the peace. It's strange how I can be authentic around close relatives but not people outside my circle.

[lavos]

Yeah, I like loud music if it's to my liking too but I try not to be too loud lest I disturb other people because I know how sucks it is to be annoyed.
I don't know if it's a type thing but my imagination goes way deeper and weirder, I feel like I'm an immaterial being from another world trapped into this prison we call flesh. I would like to free myself from this if I got the chance, unfortunately I don't know how.
Me and my friend talks about how we would be better off without a body, that existing as a primitive animal shaped by nature is disgusting.
I also do worldbuilding as a hobby. I have an idea about writing a math related fiction but I'm really terrible at math

And I'm still uncertain if my Ni or Ne is good enough, if it's obvious to you, you can call me oblivious :/

You sound like you have -Se/+Si PoLR. That'll make you LIE or EII.

If this piques your interest, feel free to take my test https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...functions-test.

I'm curious, have you ever looked into Gnosticism?

[wanderingsoul]

You sound like you have -Se/+Si PoLR. That'll make you LIE or EII.

If this piques your interest, feel free to take my test https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...functions-test.

I'm curious, have you ever looked into Gnosticism?

I don't think my Te is good enough to be the leading function.

I have a very vague understanding of Gnosticism. If anything, my belief regarding god is apatheistic.

[wanderingsoul]

You sound like you have -Se/+Si PoLR. That'll make you LIE or EII.

If this piques your interest, feel free to take my test https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...functions-test.

I'm curious, have you ever looked into Gnosticism?

I took your test.
The top 3 results are:
-Ni (beta Ni) - 87.5%
-Ne (delta Ne) - 62.5%
-Fi (gamma Fi) - 62.5%