Having just seen the episode where Admiral Kane died, I am having a VERY hard time seeing how Roslin could be INFj... I see Ni.
Having just seen the episode where Admiral Kane died, I am having a VERY hard time seeing how Roslin could be INFj... I see Ni.
Why?Originally Posted by Joy
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I thought about it in the shower and realized that ISFj is a possibility too... so I'm going to take a step back and say "most likely Gamma, possibly Delta"
Why?I thought about it in the shower and realized that ISFj is a possibility too... so I'm going to take a step back and say "most likely Gamma, possibly Delta"
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the thing that made me wonder about ISFj (or Ni lol) was what she said about admiral kane
I haven't seen any signs of Ne in her at all. But I'm still on season 2.
You seem to find many characters to be Gamma.
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In this show?
Three of the main characters. Two of them aren't though... Starbuck and Gaius.
I don't generally tend to be more likely to think characters or people are Gamma.
Well I have yet to be convinced that Apollo is Gamma, when he seems to be Alpha.
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His Se > Si preference seems pretty apparent to me, and I believe he also has a Fi > Fe preference.
His Ne > Ni preference seems pretty apparent to me, and I believe he also has a Ti > Te preference.
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where's the Ne?
Where's the Se?
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All over the place. He's totally on top of things. He's very alert and aware. We see him work through issues with Fi and then the Se decisiveness takes over and he stands strong. He's quite powerful... not at all "childlike" like INTjs. He's a natural leader, and he leads with Se and Fi.
If you really think this guy shares your creative function, it might be a good idea to start considering ISTj for yourself.
When? How often? Why?All over the place. He's totally on top of things.
When he has to be, of course he is.He's very alert and aware.
When? No, he generally works through issues with Ti and then the Ne possibilities takes over. See Bastille Day, Black Market.We see him work through issues with Fi and then the Se decisiveness takes over and he stands strong.
Then obviously we are seeing two completely different things in Apollo, because his "childlike" nature is the easiest of any character to spot and it seems to almost always be at odds with Adama, Tigh, Starbuck, and Roslin when asking why things must be done the way they have.He's quite powerful... not at all "childlike" like INTjs.
INTjs are also natural leaders, but they are reluctant natural leaders, which can be seen in Lee. And Lee leads primarily through his sense of logic and possibilities. He recognizes opportunities and possibilities whenever they arise (offensive on the cylon asteroid) and is a strong believer in justice, especially in political justice, is much the same manner that is characteristic of INTjs (Bastille Day, Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2). He is democratic and not aristocratic.He's a natural leader, and he leads with Se and Fi.
If you think that this guy is your dual, it might be a good idea to start considering ESFj for yourself. There have been 3 INTjs who have identified Apollo as being INTj.If you really think this guy shares your creative function, it might be a good idea to start considering ISTj for yourself.
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it is the same in the star trek thread logos. personally i wouldn't bother arguing about it. some people have the bad habit of taking a person that they like and "making" them into some type so that their relations are ideal. it is especially bad on this forum with relationships where everyone assumes a couple on some tv show must be duals or that their bf/gf is their dual or some crap like that. by the way we had another thread on battlestar galactica before. you might want to look it up. i never got back to why i think what's her face is enfj. sorry for that to whoever asked
True enough. I suppose we are all victims of subjectivity-personalization.
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yep
lol... 3 "INTjs"
I don't think I've seen those episodes yet...
It's clear that it's time to agree to disagree.
(Gamma is democratic too, btw)
I've just seen "Black Market" and I must say... in the past couple of episodes, but mostly this one, we're seeing a new side of Apollo... and it's certainly not Se. Based on that episode, INTj seems like a possibility. lol the joys of typing fictional characters.
Ellen Tigh: ENFj
I think there's some miscasting in BSG. For example, Starbuck seems like an ESTp character played by an ENFp.
Of course, Starbuck's character may be a different type altogether masquerading as an ESTp. Her violent youth may have caused her to build a hardened ESTp shell around her, but whether or not that changes or reinforces her type is another matter entirely.
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agreed
What do you think of Ellen as an ENFj?
We just finished Season 2.
I'm content to call Lee some fictional IJ character
***SPOILERS***
But imo the scene between Roslin and Adama after the election seemed very clear in that he's the Fi type and she's the Te type. When she said, "That's wrong?" and he nodded and said, "That's wrong" and she was immdediately like "Okay" and obviously felt relieved because she found the ethical closure she needed even though she was in a bad situation... I dunno, that whole scene just seemed very, very much like she has Fi in her super id block. If she was a Fi type, she'd have stuck to her guns (at least for a while) and said that the survival of the species was more important than politics. I have yet to see any indication at all that she's an ethical type and he's not an ethical type.
I'm not sure. She definitely seems to useas her weapon of choice, not unless what she's doing is some sort of creation of the appearance of
and
. Of course, when deciding at her type it would also help to like at Col. Tigh's type and try and determine what sort of relationship he had with Ellen.
Pedro was supposed to deliver some sort of explanation as to why Roslin was either an ENFj or ESFj, but he never followed-up on that. I really should rewatch the first two seasons with a Socionics-intent sometime. Maybe over the holidays, but not during exam season.
Good job Joy, now catch up in the Season 3 episodes.
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*heads off to get going on that right now* (seriously)
We're caught up... and I'm having a very difficult time understanding how anyone could think that starbuck is anything but an ESTp, especially after the last episode.
omg awesome show!! just caught up.
Ok guys I agree with you on some of them but others I can't see how you haven't seen! I don't really agree with how functions are being "used" to justify typing a character, quite frankly they're easily abused. I'm going to focus more on characteristics.
Admiral Adama = ISTj
He does his job, he never complains, and he's good in crisis. From what I've read on socionics Betas are the ones to rise above during Crisis. Also ENFj-ISTj duality isn't portrayed much in the media but i think this is it. He's not comfortable showing his feelings. He doesn't care for religion. Also he lets rules slide sometimes for the sake of the future - some of you said ESTj for Adama but I don't think you understand how different ISTj and ESTj is... all you need to do is compare Adama (always looking to the future - beta) to Saul (always looking to his past - delta). Adama let a cylon be part of his crew for goodness sake, meanwhile saul still opposes it, he can't forgive them for what they did in the past
Laura Rosslyn = ENFj
She's a teacher, she's good at public speaking, she has an aristocratic nature about her (not in a bad way, just the way she sits up so regally and peers while lowering her glasses). I've met female ENFjs and INFjs and there's a big difference. INFjs don't rig elections, if they strongly believe in a woman's choice to abortion they would NEVER be convinced to overturn it because of a few statistics + politics, they have a very strict moral code. Also INFjs do not like standing in front of crowds, performing speeches. Her Fe is apparent in all she does... she raises morale and offers hope, and she sometimes manipulates this (i.e. giving admiral Adama that medal not for him, but for the positive effect it would have on the people)
Starbuck = ESTp (i don't see how anyone can argue against this, she excels in crisis situations to the point that she'll create them) She doesn't show weakness in front of others, she's a leader etc.
Colonel Saul Tigh = ESTj
Deltas look to the past, just like Saul does. He was part of the war tribunal thing, he loves routines, but when his routine fucks up he turns to alcohol. He was always at odds with Starbuck over her not obeying the rules. He's a strict traditionalist in that he never forgets.
haha you caught up right on time... they're showing the next episode tonight. It is a good show.
Roslin: Aristocracy has nothing to do with the way one carries oneself. The metal thing was a means to an end. I don't see the strong Fe, and I certainly don't see Fe > Fi. If she has a PoLR though, it is Si. I still say that while she's not really a "pure" type, ENTj fits best. There's no way she's Alpha or Beta.
Starbuck: you're right... I can't see how she could not be ESTp.
Adama: I still see Fi as his strongest function... and I see Se, too. He doesn't seem to be a "pure" type, either. The "EP temperament" may not be there, but I just get this mild-mannered, responsible ESFp feel from him. He definitely give Roslin the Fi she needs, if you look at their interactions.
Tigh: ISTj makes the most sense to me, and ENFj makes perfect sense for his wife... but if he wasn't ISTj, I suppose ESTj could work, too.
You see Fe as one of her weak functions? like she makes people cry and then doesn't know what to do? I don't see that. Furthermore remember a couple episodes ago during the boxing match + flashbacks? She was laying down with the admiral underneath the night sky and she was "isn't this romantic?"haha you caught up right on time... they're showing the next episode tonight. It is a good show.
Roslin: Aristocracy has nothing to do with the way one carries oneself. The metal thing was a means to an end. I don't see the strong Fe, and I certainly don't see Fe > Fi. If she has a PoLR though, it is Si. I still say that while she's not really a "pure" type, ENTj fits best. There's no way she's Alpha or Beta.
Like I think Admiral Kaine was an ENTj
Comparing dichotimies i see Rosslyn as Merry (vs. Serious), and Aristocracy (vs. Democracy). She has a softness about her and she smiles alot. She associates people with the group they're in, remember the admiral kaine episode? Rosslyn immediately strove to inform Adama of the "Us vs. them" mentality. For the same reason she was at first rude upon meeting tom zharak - because she associated him with terrorists (a group), which threatened her group. Notice also she doesn't say "I" often she'll more tend towards "we should..." "our goal is..." etc. Admiral Kaine, ENTj, it was not about her "group" it was about her. She judged people based on what she felt was best for her - thus the exxo(sp?) she shot in the head because he refused to obey orders.
ESFp? he doesn't talk about this feelings, he isn't attracted to emotional intensity, he has a VERY strong work ethic. Also the way he refers to crew as a 'family' again it's a group (aristocracy). His duties towards his family are paramount. He lacks spontaneousness - notice how he has a chosen few aid him in making tactical decisions during battle? he needs ppl like starbuck to think outside of the box. Starbuck and him have more of a "mirror" type relationship (Starbuck didn't understand why he would lie about Earth, she was only seeing one side) than a "comparative" (whereby they'd understand each other but not feel able to help each other, I think they do feel like they can help each other.
He's extroverted. all of his projects and activities involve other people. The insurrection, the war tribunal, his causing a drunken ruckus with starbuck and bringing down troop morale. ISTjs are hardcore, they have personal projects. They don't complain about their misfortunes (like the colonel complained about his eye), they are solid dutiful people.
Anyways I think we type people/characters in a completely different manner and so we don't make sense to each other. personally I use behavioural patterns (presented in the best type descriptions - i like filatova best) and also i relate the mannerisms of the person i type to someone I actually know of a certain type.
anyways i'm not really sure of certain people still. Like Anders? Even Lee I don't know, and lee's wife? Chief?
looking forward to the next episode!!!
I totally agree with this; I need a woman like Caprica
The other problem with typing BSG Characters: Characterization Consistency.
The writers seem to be able to keep Starbuck's character to consistent throughout the show (despite the writers' tendency to write her as the ubercharacter). Because of this consistency it seems that there is more agreeing to her type (ESTp). Other characters, like Apollo, are horribly inconsistent and poorly written from episode to episode.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
quite true
Okay another typing problem that becomes apparent while rereading this thread: Quadra-shuffling. Quadra-shuffling is an issue about the tendancy for people of one quadra to type characters as types within their own quadra. This is probably because if we are particularly attached to a character, we may be quick to read ourselves into their habits and behavior, so we feel as if we are not so much typing others, but aspects of some fictional entity which we have connected somehow to our own sense of identity. I am guilty of this as well (see Lee is an INTj), but this does seem to be problematic in terms of typing a large cast of characters. Perhaps we should dissect these characters one by one in front of the grand jury.
Kara Thrace (Starbuck): ESTp
- She is apparently the characteristic ESTp. And there is very little disagreement about this typing.
Admiral William Adama: xSxj
- That seems to be just about the only consensus we have regarding the character. He is a rational type who exercises some creativeor
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
nah, there are a lot of ESTps that are cool... only some of them are annoying as fuck like she is
Part of the reason why she is so annoying is that the writers have turned her into a "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better" sort of character: ex-pro-pyramid player, poker champion, master sharpshooter, ace pilot, and the list goes on.
Helo annoys me because he has become the voice of morality on the show and he continually disobeys regulations (like those on the borderline of treason) and merely gets slaps on the wrists.
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Helo's the only hot male character on the show hahahaha
I think he could be ESTj. Anyways, I don't think he's done anything wrong at any point. But I cannot stand the whole military mindset, so maybe I wouldn't be one to ask.
hey! starbuck and gaius have been my favourite characters throughout the whole series, lol. Also I think it's about time that they kill someone important. So far they've only killed off secondary characters that really didn't matter, like Billy and and that chick that always bitched at starbuck.
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