@DogOfDanger @lavos
according to you, altruistic acts done for the benefit of strangers with no prospect of reward aside from personal pleasure are "unnatural", " the product of evil", "stupid", and have no purpose from an evolutionary perspective.
Dog of Projection & Gaslighting
I should clarify that I don't condone Genghis Khan.
What I've said repeatedly is that certain acts aren't primarily explained as being driven by natural instinct, instinct is something that evolved. Every instinct you have exists to hone you toward successful survival and reproduction. In nature instinct can get blocked and express in deferred ways. When that happens, the explanation for the behavior is the circumstances - the blockage of instinct. There are other reason people do things... everything you do is not in line with your natural instincts, or a full, harmonious expression of them.
And as I've explained twice, Kahns behavior did not occur in natural circumstances, where he would have been beaten over the head by people with boulders if he had gone and raped all the women in the tribe. Behavior that occurs within a social context is not the correct way to model or think about what is or isn't natural, evolved instinct. To think about our instincts, and to understand them, you should think about a tribe of cavemen living in the wilderness in mesopotamia. Those are the kinds of conditions inwhich we evolved. You also have to think in an idealistic way, because you're thinking on scales of billions of years ultimately. Do you understand? I've mentioned to you the fact that alpha male monkeys get ambushed and torn to pieces when their social approval drops below a certain point. If you spent two seconds trying to think critically about what we're talking about, instead of instantly looking for some hole to poke in FACTS about evolution to justify your life and sexuality, you would have thought of these things. But you don't stop for two seconds to look deeper into criticizing your own comments. Instead you expect me to come up with a full, giant rational to address your stupid comments because you made zero effort in thinking them through, because you are only interested in reconfirming to yourself your dogmatic ideological fixations. And you do this because, again, you are a moron.
And I'm tired of comments about human biology triggering tantrums from borderline, bipolar deluded nuts holding me accountable for their fucking sexual acts when all I try to do is avoid or smooth over their offended egos, where every fucking word I utter or idea I promote has to conform to somehow stoke these peoples fucking deluded ego about how they justify their sex lives. This has gone too far to the point we now pretend - PRETEND - that changing your fucking sex is an inherent biological need, and force us all to DENY INDISPUTABLE FACTS about biology. Fuck-off.
Last edited by DogOfDanger; 09-25-2022 at 03:54 AM.
Instinct by nature is natural (it's an oxymoron to speak of an "unnatural instinct"). The real question is how you qualify what constitutes an instinct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct
Oh yes, the dick is demonic. So demonic that it was created by God. Idiot....
Huh?
Altruistic acts stem from the, again, human nature. The same it can cause evil, it can cause good. I won't argue that altruistic acts somehow benefit the herd or tribe like they do in the primitive or animal worlds (although it is plausible). Simply, humans can do good out of the blue, or they can do evil out of the blue (according to their nature). Although I have the belief that the human entity is good inherently, and evil has to be caused somehow.
You claim everything is instinct like as if we were animals, and now you're talking about altruistic acts?
Also, please don't group me with anyone as if my argument was the same as theirs, as all I've done is agree with most of the points they raised in the particular post I liked. However, I don't agree with anything you in particular have said thus far. What do you intend to transmit/what is your point?
Honey, I love and accept myself just fine. I think it's giving *you* the tantrum. I was trying to talk about Coeruleum's topic and u went ranting about the perceived natural purpose of my sperm.
You are projecting your heterosexuality and Right-wing morals into the truth but like we keep telling you: the truth is the truth regardless. And no, I'm not doing the same thing with my gayness. I already have accepted the fact there are people that are very different from me, u haven't done that yet and are still butthurt I'm not being str8 enough for your liking. And I'm not really your average ****** that can be easily destroyed or vaniquished; when a bully boy breeder str8 guy goes after me with ignorance and stupidity, I tend to fight back 5 times as hard. Behold my Chad Alpha Male ness. I'm a gay monkey, only this bitch is on top of the pecking order.
DogOfDanger, I find your argument interesting, but it sounds like something from a cult science fiction movie, and isn't your reaction a bit overblown?Originally Posted by DogOfDanger
...Wow, arguing is really easy when I completely reject the reality of what my opponents say and substitute my own!
I didn't say that everything is instinct. I only queried what was meant by an "unnatural" instinct.
My point was that by your interpretation, altruism with no benefit to the self except pleasure is as "unnatural" as child rape, something you consider evil because you consider it "unnatural" - something that animals don't do, in your view.
I know this probably seems like a big blow and round of applause, but to me it just reads like a bunch of nothing, so... keep "fighting", I'll be waiting for you to say something that make sense and is relevant to what we were discussing. Yes, your sperm are designed to fertilize an egg, I know this is something that deeply offends you.
I'm aware of the the contradiction, but it's just that I believe it is unnatural also to humans despite human capacity for evil. One thing is "normal" evil, another thing is this. I'll give you an analogy to see if you understand it: do you identify a rock as food? I bet you don't. An apple is food, but not a rock. However, could you be convinced with some ruse or hypnagogic technique that a rock is food? It might be possible, but it would be unnatural. A corruption of the natural order of things The same way, children are not meant to be sexualizable beings. That's how I see it.
When/if a person rapes a kid or abuses them sexually in any way- that's the only thing people tend to remember of them. But in the Reals of Reality - they are actually doing much more inside their life than just that one (or multiple) heinous act(s). So it very well can produce offspring even though THAT doesn't produce offspring.
This bitch need some Ne!
You are being trolled by the Idea of Child Rape here, I think. I don't have much doubt that you are morally better than a child rapist- but then again, that is not saying much about your moral character either.
Yes but you're not thinking abstractly and idealistically enough, because instinct, and predecessors of our human instincts, were honed over billions of years in natural, and relatively homeostatic conditions which all succeeded in producing life. Evolutionary forces even exerted themselves on cellular levels when the very first cells were forming... and those forces never stopped molding us until we came to be in this current form. Thus instinct has been finely tuned in a way that it is sensitive to even very small disadvantages in survival / reproduction. There is so much that went into fine tuning us biologically that it is beyond imagination.
No Project-y Ramsey, I don't mind not being straight.
Your ass is meant to be poked by dick because it has a prostate. I know it deeply offends you that you're not getting any gay male sex right now.
Despite my campiness and flair, I've been dropping logical and rational truth bombs all over the place. I wish you weren't such a white str8 male bore and could read between the lines better rather than just focusing on the emotionalism of my posts. I guess I have to try to communicate like a straight robot to get my point across to you.
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Except it isn't, so... the end.
Hardly fine tuning? Have you ever opened a biology textbook and read about the incredible complexity and synchronization of all the chemical processes in your body?
Evolution is like putting a rock into a polisher, and leaving it on for days... where it comes out completely smooth. Your arguments are like... pointing to a small little spec of sand that hasn't been polished. They're trivial points.
The human body (or really any living creatures) is so well refined and perfected by evolution it is best thought of as a divine construction.
Keep trying
Virus DNA and bacteria DNA is actually how animals like humans form. The process that's used to make GMOs actually occurs in nature. Structures that are found in viruses and bacteria keep getting added together until you get things like animals and plants. The real problem with GMOs is mostly just they produce pesticides.