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    She sounds like a nice lady. The pic is so cute. I want them to be semi-duals as I’m really into romanticising semi-duals atm..She could be IEE..my good friend is one of the really sweet IEE-fi types. And I think my grandma was too. My grandma made amazing oil pastel drawings. My friend also likes to keep things really positive- and doesn’t talk about politics with me. She studied religion and politics so I think she probably talks about it with other people. She has specialised knowledge, so she can probably talk about it when she needs to. She does volunteering. She’s much more organised than me but she thinks she’s disorganised. She’s very caring and encourages me to be creative. Loves a phone conversation

    Does she read a lot? I think of IEEs reading/educating themselves as the IEI equivalent to sitting day-dreaming about their personal relationships and values..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    Does she read a lot? I think of IEEs reading/educating themselves as the IEI equivalent to sitting day-dreaming about their personal relationships and values..
    All the time! More than me anyways. She especially loves older "classic" works of literature. Jane Austin, Charles Dickens, and Victor Hugo are a few of her favourite authors, and as far as I know she's read basically everything by those three. She also likes C.S. Lewis and Mark Twain
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    Quote Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat View Post
    All the time! More than me anyways. She especially loves older "classic" works of literature. Jane Austin, Charles Dickens, and Victor Hugo are a few of her favourite authors, and as far as I know she's read basically everything by those three. She also likes C.S. Lewis and Mark Twain
    your mother has the same type as you
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    your mother has the same type as you
    the thoroughly militarily equipped feline is possibly IEE, i'm beginning to consider that more likely in how he behaves on the forum (avoids conflicts a lot, which is less likely for Fe types, reacted positively to Te instructions on how to decide on his type)
    on video it was IEX too
    although he identifies more with IEI by descriptions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive
    your mother has the same type as you
    Quote Originally Posted by blaecaedre
    the thoroughly militarily equipped feline is possibly IEE, i'm beginning to consider that more likely in how he behaves on the forum (avoids conflicts a lot, which is less likely for Fe types, reacted positively to Te instructions on how to decide on his type)
    on video it was IEX too
    although he identifies more with IEI by descriptions

    Yes, it's certainly a possibility that we are either both IEI or both IEE! When I've brought it up, people in my family have a hard time picturing us as the same type though, so if we are the same then we're certainly either pretty different subtypes (I imagine @blaecaedre favours this interpretation) or else people of the same type are much more wildly diverse than I tend to imagine (which is how @Alive tends to interpret type).

    I think it's worth remembering that I WAS raised by her, and I was also homeschooled, so I have had quite a lot of prolonged contact with her. Perhaps even more so than most kids had with their mom given she served as my teacher all through elementary school. I can easily imagine that I may have been heavily "deltafied" from that if we assume I'm IEI (which makes more sense to me in terms of intertype relations as I'm pretty confident I dualize with SLE and semi-dualize with SEE, but who knows lol)

    In any case, I very much appreciate all your perspectives (and that's not just me being conflict averse!) ^-^
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    @Bethany
    ENFps are explorers that seem to follow a sort of Gaia principle, that all people are in some way interconnected - perhaps forming a celestial whole. They generally have a laissez-faire approach to life until their freedoms are threatened. They seem to read people well from phrases, intonation, facial expressions and peculiarities of behaviour, thus predicting likely motivations and goals. They're also able to detect personal issues, stress factors and or anxieties. They, like no other type, are discerning in human interaction, acutely seeing the reasons that create harmony and complications. They can appear rather superficial, high-spirited and carefree; however, they may sometimes overdo things to simply avoid the potential for unpleasantry, disappointment or sadness.

    They're rather idealistic, perceptive and creative, and can often dream up many alternate realities or offer multiple outcomes of the same situation, usually with amusing twists. They're frequently enthusiastic about future activities and prospects, and know how to encourage and inspire; they generously give compliments but much prefer receiving them. As free-spirited as they may appear, their habits and ethos are rather inflexible; and under stress, they develop siege mentalities shutting out almost everyone. However, they rarely look inward at themselves and at why they really do the things they do.

    They're usually charming and sociable, and will build relations with anyone interesting; they gravitate towards talented, eclectic personalities. It seems easier for them to maintain relations that are running smoothly than to mend problematic ones because they tend to avoid all potential conflict or animosity. Although perceptive of social interaction and of how to create social atmospheres, they don't always maintain appropriate psychological distances. When focused, they can deftly interact and communicate with people so as to ingratiate themselves or become invaluable to them.

    Their backs usually need to be up against the wall for them to act resolutely and decisively, but they can be quite so when defending themselves against encroachment or invasion. When cornered, they can get rather aggressive, irritable, edgy and or tense; they sometimes respond to dictates or coercion with force. They desire freedom for themselves more than anything else so they usually have distaste for anyone who tries to compel others. And, they're not usually afraid to speak their mind to anyone and demand resolutions to their issues.

    They find it difficult to work effectively within rigid, restrictive systems whether they be social or work related, and find repetitive processes absolutely unbearable; they have to really force themselves to do meticulous, detail oriented tasks. Along the same vein, they don't always let others finish before jumping to a conclusion, which often results in people feeling somewhat misunderstood. When rationalizing, they often err on the side of subjectivity and morality, and may ignore or dismiss facts that contradict their own personal perceptions. Thus, they're often not very pragmatic or wise with their resources.

    They seem to need substantial doses of pleasantry and personal enjoyment. They're only able to fully relax in comfortable, familiar environments where there aren't many complications. They love to be surrounded by coziness and helpful people but they can do with very little. Since physical or emotional discomfort can undermine their health, they usually seek lifestyles where one doesn't need to fight for one's existence. A lot of their comfort is very dependent upon the nature of their commitments; when work or play is uninspired or boring, their mood drops. For this reason, they don't usually like maintenance and will often live and work in abject disarray.

    When they become involved in anything, they usually do so because of creative interest or new experiences rather than for achieving an outcome. The best rewards for them seem to be admiration, excitement and positive emotion. They will always try to turn work into play so as to make it more bearable such as turning a task or study into a kind of a game. They don't like it when people waste their time but will often poorly manage their own time and dawdle. Also, when explaining something, they'll digress and relay information in a chatty inefficient manner. They seem to communicate to inspire further discovery rather than achieve any measure of closure.

    They know how to take the initiative and inspire people to action but they run out of gas quite quickly. They can be rather naive and easily believe in and give optimistic promises. Even though they understand that major projects take a while to implement, they're not characterized by patience and want it done yesterday. When their enthusiasm wanes, they try to get other people to take projects to completion.

    Beneath the charm, they're often filled with conflicted thoughts about and disappointment with an imperfect world. They absorb vast amounts of information and are aware of so much; sometimes they stop and stare to better process, which may leave some to wonder what's the matter. In communication, they can become rather probing in an investigative-like manner and they can relay their findings in infinite detail but much of it isn't that useful. They're often dissatisfied with what they have discovered and are always in search of greener pastures. With their exploratory nature, they're able to discover resolutions for many seemingly hopeless scenarios.


    "However, they rarely look inward at themselves and at why they really do the things they do."

    This bit definitely describes a huge difference between my mom and I. She'll tell you straight up that she doesn't do this, but I've always been prone to falling into deep self-reflection. I remember when I started going to therapy for some stuff my therapist said at the end of the first session, sounding rather surprised, "Wow, you really seem to have a lot of insight into your own issues."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat View Post
    All the time! More than me anyways. She especially loves older "classic" works of literature. Jane Austin, Charles Dickens, and Victor Hugo are a few of her favourite authors, and as far as I know she's read basically everything by those three. She also likes C.S. Lewis and Mark Twain
    These are authors that seek to guide their readers in moral and social issues…they are also very good story tellers…could be appealing to an IEE.

    Could have a look at this description…it describes my IEE friends well, I’m scared to show it them haha

    IEE - ENFp Description by I/O (the16types.info) There is probably stuff in the description that can apply to SEE too..(?)

    SEE enjoy chaos more than IEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    These are authors that seek to guide their readers in moral and social issues…they are also very good story tellers…could be appealing to an IEE.
    Yeah, I think she really does like that moral guidance angle. Personally, while I like these authors, I could take or leave the moral guidance bit. It's one of the reasons I have a hard time imagining myself as having Creative Fi. I'm really not that interested in moral perspectives unless they're more of the "cold" political philosophy sort. I find it very interesting to discuss the philosophical foundation behind rights, but I'm really not interested in the "morality" behind whether or not you should marry financially stable guy vs run away with hot boi. My mom is the exact opposite. She couldn't care less about the philosophy behind political ideologies, but is deeply interested in the more personal morality stuff. The drama of those stories is still interesting to me. I just don't consider the moral angle particularly valuable.

    In a similar vein, I have three EII friends who are all anime otaku, but I've never really understood why they care so much about the morality behind shows. One of them in particular wrote this giant essay he posted to Reddit explaining why he disapproved of Mushoku Tensei, which, while it was impressive to me just because he put so much work in, left me rather confused as to why he cared so much about the morality of a fictional show in the first place. The EIIs seemed to really enjoy discussing this stuff, but I honestly never really cared. If I don't like something I just won't watch it. Those EII friends aren't like super PC or anything, but they definitely lean in that direction much further than I would. I'm only PC to avoid conflict. I really don't care that much about the issues themselves, and I also hang out around a lot of very not PC military guys too and if anything I find that kind of crowd much easier to get along with because I can relax and not worry about what kind of jokes I let myself laugh at
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