https://andrewtatenetworth.us/andrew-tate-quotes/
Se^
Right here and right now in real-time, mind over matter for goal acquisition for the draw.
Not much different than Tony Robbins in MO.
https://andrewtatenetworth.us/andrew-tate-quotes/
Se^
Right here and right now in real-time, mind over matter for goal acquisition for the draw.
Not much different than Tony Robbins in MO.
Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell⛧
Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it ♀
A little better makes better more>
♦♦
He seems XEE, Fi creative.Originally Posted by youfloweryourfeast
Example 2. “I’d love to show you the gullibility of girls when you talk to them about love,” says the IEE (). “Excuse me,” replies the ILE (), “But how are you allowed to pry into another person’s soul?”
Aushura - Theory of Intertype Relationships, Part 5
https://augustaproject.wordpress.com...lationships-5/
Which connects with his entire business model, appealing to a group of people by what attracts and repulses them, relating to them, a formation of a parasocial relation, only all to sell a business model to them that may or may not work(hustle university). (Tapping into Fi, attraction, repulsion, weaponizing it for one's own advantage).
Also how he literally pried on young women, promising them a relationship if they allowed him to pimp them out, which is ultimately a display of high EQ with malicious intent which also applies to this example.
Unsure on Ne, or Se, but Ne + Fi base is pretty much about maxing out one's own potential for social advantageous reasons, for a man, it's his 'masculinity.' For Se + Fi, it would purely be more for financial reasons. However he seems to be a very creative person who does also show mental gluttony as much as physical gluttony, which points to IEE.
Se Role is not sustainable long term, and the same for Ne Role as for your type, Vixen. IMO. It is 2D and not world shaking even it was sustainable in a subtype.
Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell⛧
Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it ♀
A little better makes better more>
♦♦
Our role function is actually the function we try to rapidly improve, seeking out intellectual conclusions for Fi base, etc.
"Role function comes 3rd in the order of processing. Due to the order, it is an accepting function, and due to its placement in the Superego block, it usless prominent than the dominant function. Its name reflects the fact that the individual sees an element processed by this function as something important from the point of view of others and tries to adjust to these expectations by training this function and demonstrating her or his skills in this area. The need for improvement and a good command of this element can be seen as a role imposed by environment." (Model A by Karol Pietrak, based on Classic Socionics or SCS).
At a young age, the role function will be put through constant stress by willing training of an individual in order to better adapt to their environment. A role function can be expanded on to better improve one's own capabilities in usual pursuits of social adaptation, goals, etc.
However there isn't such thing as unvalued functions, just weaker draining functions. Mental or Vital ring blocks.
It's more like training a new weak muscle that's somehow super vital for things like movement to adapt towards your environment. However we may just dislike it because it may feel like a chore while we still suck at it at first.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1576570
Black & white is a shallow divide ∕∕division is the color that multipliesx
Taking things at face value is good only for a spell⛧
Abstract builds a soul, a house can never become a home without it ♀
A little better makes better more>
♦♦
Couldn’t agree more!!
I was leaning toward him being Fi polr because he clearly has trouble with understanding others feelings and can come off as harsh. But fi role can come off as introverted and logical cold which he doensnt. "Also how he literally pried on young women, promising them a relationship if they allowed him to pimp them out, which is ultimately a display of high EQ with malicious intent which also applies to this example." I think EIE or SLE
Last edited by youfloweryourfeast; 01-29-2024 at 03:40 PM.
The fact he was successful by just provoking the right people is already enough to display his well off his ethical appeal towards the masses of men.
He very much understands how other people feel, and he uses it to his advantage.
Last edited by Muira; 01-22-2024 at 02:40 PM.
"You’ve been given another day of life. How will you use it? Will you wait until tomorrow as you’ve done for years or decide today is the day you commit to excellence?" Could be Ni thinking ahead. "Your future is the result of your daily actions. You’re defined by what you do today. Lazy now, loser later. Get to work." This sounds like Se ha or strong vauling se in some capacity, and I also I feel that a delta extrovert wouldn't want as much attention as he wants all the time. ’Oh, I’m successful, I’m rich,’ yeah, but I’ll break your neck. I’m gonna grab you by your neck and choke you till you die. I’ll show you a race riot, pussy. Then what, who’s successful now? I’m breathing and you’re not. So, I’m more successful than you.” He doesn't seem to lookinto anything or psychologically analysis anything as he believes depression isn't real and people can't suffer. But he does seem to have some ideas abt the "future. EIE> SLE
Last edited by youfloweryourfeast; 02-14-2024 at 03:49 AM.
Ne-> Promises of the potential they can bring.
Ni-> Understanding of how long those promises may take
Yea people who don't value ni generally don't think of the long term and how something could impact later on in that sense it can be perceived as lazy
Money -> System of resources, thus a resource to be collected. Te being the business model he would make synthesis, with the help of his brother(maybe LIE?)
Quite literally, Tate spent most of his younger years trying to bring out his potential, focusing on trial and error, fighting, etc, building up an image, building his fortune later after he trained his role (se) until much later. However, Andrew Tate seemingly was able to make money off of pimping women with false relationships and young girls because he understood the leverage he had over them and how they were easier to manipulate(mental force without physical force).
Fi-Socion by AushuraWhen this aspect of perception is in the leading position, the individual has an ability to see, evaluate, shape and change their own desires and the desires of other people. They always know who wants what from whom. They are able to set their own knowledge of the subjective world in opposition to the knowledge of others, and their own desires – to the desires of others. They also have an aptitude for providing themselves with necessary relationships, and confidence in their ability to influence other people. Their accurate assessment of others’ needs allows them to avoid risky collisions while satisfying their own needs. It also creates an ability to manipulate others’ attachment to oneself, and an ability and striving to manipulate others’ ethical feelings and others’ striving to bring these feelings in line with the social ideal.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1...xGqUEYKX6n/pub
Document on Andrew Tate being IEE
Did you wrote it ?
Lack is the Muse of all Poets
No, some guy who specialized in classic socionics, etc did
lmfao
Maybe, but seemingly a lot of people who knew about socionics for a long time agree on his typing of Andrew Tate.
SLE.
Prototypal beta.
- Has a deeply schismatic way of thinking (it's you vs the world, pick a side).
- Wants to capture as many hearts & minds as he can (i.e. dumb teenagers) to his "truth" as possible, as a way of remaining powerful.
- Wants to win, not to lose, in as obvious a way as he can - to not be the runt of the litter.
Clear extroverted sensor.
- Has an unyielding attitude - obsessed with being stronger than others, or at the least appearing to be.
- Possessive mindset - wants to be make other people subservient to him. With women, it's explicitly so, whereas with young impressionable boys it's implicitly so. Hierarchical, with him at the top.
I would expect an LSI to not be so obsessed with their persona or profile.
I would expect an IEI to not have such a strong personality.
I would expect an EIE to not be so unyielding.
SLE.
(p.s. also a complete piece of shit)
SLE.
Prototypal beta.
- Has a deeply schismatic way of thinking (it's you vs the world, pick a side).
- Wants to capture as many hearts & minds as he can (i.e. dumb teenagers) to his "truth" as possible, as a way of remaining powerful.
- Wants to win, not to lose, in as obvious a way as he can - to not be the runt of the litter.
Clear extroverted sensor.
- Has an unyielding attitude - obsessed with being stronger than others, or at the least appearing to be.
- Possessive mindset - wants to be make other people subservient to him. With women, it's explicitly so, whereas with young impressionable boys it's implicitly so. Hierarchical, with him at the top.
I would expect an LSI to not be so obsessed with their persona or profile.
I would expect an IEI to not have such a strong personality.
I would expect an EIE to not be so unyielding.
SLE.
(p.s. also a complete piece of shit)
"Are you an SLE because you are a piece of Shit? Or are you a piece of shit because you are an SLE?"
The guy is-
-Yang
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1...xGqUEYKX6n/pub
Also an LSI can be obsessed with fallowing an ideal, however it doesn't have anything or much to with external conformism.
can i ask r u trolling
SLE. It's only logical to assume so.
Se base, very confident, doesn't back down from an argument and expresses simply what he wants, not attached to any rule or social expectancy whatsoever.
Ti creative, his logical process is just generalized, organized arguments, even the most bizarre ones he got a strong reason logically to defend. Stereotypes everything, in the manner a Ti creative can and will categorize information.
Extroverted, otherwise I don't know...but yuck regardless of type, one of those people
Logan Paul is EIE (he seems very se like but just very extroverted EIE) he is more a entertainer and Andrew is SLE
Real SLEs are a lot more boring and grounded than he is. Se is just a neutral and inherent part of reality as opposed to a flashy, grandiose persona that they can play up. I feel like they’re more inclined to downplay their Se a bit and strive to embody some of their secondary/weaker valued functions to some extent.
An SLE doesn’t have to write you a treatise justifying how it’s okay for men to have multiple partners, he’s just going to cheat because he wants to, give a half hearted apology, and keep it pushing.
Last edited by Averroes; 04-08-2024 at 02:23 AM.
Being Se-obsessed and hyper-disciplined is more of a Se-creative/Hidden agenda trait
His type is LSI-Se 8w7
ASPD imo.
cya
So about Andrew Tate - I wonder if this applies https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...2.2021.1989117 or https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...2.2020.1792025
He has very negative views on women in general and thinks it's okay to exploit them. Did he have bad experiences? And if he had good ones, would he be different? I was curious, but...
Unfortunately, motherfuckers want $50 for anyone to read it...fuck you tandfonline.
cya
Yeah SLEs would exhibit more "realness" in the Se sense, and would tend to show off their role Ne instead of Se in the modern world. Tate is doing the opposite. A similar figure in Chinese online culture is Zhu Zhou (煮肘), who has been advocating polygamy for men and had more than 100 children (allegedly) mostly in vitro from women all over the world. He's rich from his game company, but recently got conned by his EIE wife/lead nanny who ran away with his money and left him and his many kids.
Both men took certain values from SLEs, exaggerated and made them extreme. And became the "teacher" of some sort in pop culture. They are Ne lead. I think they are ILEs.
Apparently Tate thinks he's Allah and wants people to bow before him. I can believe they're both the same type.
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
maybe EIE
SLE - Ti subtype D 8x7 Sx/so a very obvious one at that.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
Andrew Tate is SLE-Ti 1W9 SX/SO ....his brother Tristan is LSI-Ti 3w2 SX/SP
they sound like her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVBKoLbgraw
I def agree with type and subtype and variants, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one, but how is he not 8w7? And there is no 9 in that man. His brother being 3w2 seems spot on also.
I can't remember the interview, but didn't Vice interview Tate and they said they liked him with the cameras off? Like he reverts to his natural Se EP self when he's not doing the Te image stuff. Or something like that. I've been hesitant to type him, because I think some people are bad examples of their type...but yeah, he's probably SLE.
Like, I think he has two clear neurotic or "spiritual" issues
Se -> Ni. His ideas about money and power and how society is designed all seems very Ni projective. Like there's truth to it, but it's also not the complete story and by dwelling on the negative and projecting it, you not only create it in society, but propagate it. All the pushback is expected.
Te -> Fi. He also seems to have been hurt in some way by women. Fi is supposed to be his polr, but instead he's decided to put all of his energy into destructively railing against it. Healthy stable SLEs don't do this.
For example, my step-father is SLE-Ti. He tried running a big business in the entertainment industry, but as he got in deep, he couldn't deal with all the Te/Fi vultures and didn't want to play politics by having to fight everyone trying to put their hands in his wallet. He didn't want to deal with it because he doesn't really care because it's his superego. But he has a lot of Te, but it's really in service of his Se-Ti ego, in being an event-planner. Like he said something interesting one day. Elon Musk came up in conversation and I mentioned how Twitter doesn't represent the population, how it's a small subset of the population that seems to have a lot of mental health issues; and that after Elon took over now it has a lot more right wing people, posting Nazi symbols and shit like that and how kind of out of control it is with Elon because those are the only people that seem to use it now.
The SLE just thought it was fine then all those people are confined to Twitter and not doing all that out in the world...and it just kind of made me go...yeah that's kind of a very Se+Ti kind of thought, especially for someone with an event-planner kind of mindset about things. In other words, his mindset isn't about "control", it's about "organizing". But that doesn't mean that Ti is just organizing either because it will look different with say Ne or in someone that is LSI-Ti...
But anyway, all that to say that I think it's useful to think of types as having two neurotic areas - suggestive and demonstrative.
Actually, anal-ytically I know I said before that HA becomes more pronounced with a strong Leading function, but that doesn't seem to make sense. If it's strong, it's your demonstrative. Maybe it's best to think of neurosis as a combination of too much Leading + Demonstrative, since they seem to go together...
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