I was actually thinking ESTj too, based on VI, but I held back since I wasnt too sure of it.
I was actually thinking ESTj too, based on VI, but I held back since I wasnt too sure of it.
I agree that his energy level seems similar to that of an EJ temperament, and I'm thinking of Si-ESTj or Si-ESFj.
However, he seems more impassioned than most ESTjs:
I think he's probably LIE. I had him down as LSE before, but I don't think that's correct. He's more demonstrably Ni > Si in the OP's interviews.
yeah i think Fe base could work actually, he has a natural ease with his emotionality that rubs off on others. he just seems like a pleasant, easygoing person to be around.
also his general VI (mannerisms, facial expressions, etc.) reminds me of Barack Obama, who i also think is Fe base.
ENFj
Now that I look again too I think LIE is right, he reminds me of a lot of other Gammas in general. But serious Rock vs Obama, Obama is way more introverted and feely. His energy is fragile.
Why? After he mentioned it yeah I looked again and think he's right. Usually he has been if there is legitimate reason I'm not seeing.
But I think someone should be able to recognize their own identicals first and foremost, that's step 1.
There's no problem if I think he's generally right in this field based on the nature of his comprehension and such. I also give my own input and reasoning even if it's mostly intuitive. I don't want to be like Ashton, just myself.
Last edited by 717495; 01-28-2012 at 06:22 AM.
LIE sounds right. He has that un-deflatable feel that I get from a lot of LIEs. His type of presence isn't nearly as bothersome to me as most LSEs tend to be.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I guess ENTj could be a probable type as well, just that I seldom see leading Te types radiating Fe so naturally and responding well to it.
That was why I initially thought of Si-ESFj as one of the options, but I still kept them open as it does not feel right.
Anyway, his ex-wife seems Fi-ISFj to me. Perhaps they are duals?
Their interview starts from 00:19 onwards
He does seem "positive," but I wouldn't say he RADIATES emotionality, and even if he did that doesn't make him Fe. What's really a more palpable gauge of the presence of Fe is the level of emotional TENSION present in a person consistently. For exampl,e Paul Walker, EIE-Ni, is rather composed, but you can tell there is a deliberateness to his emotionality; sometimes it's fake, sometimes it's real, but it's more sort of solidly accentuated in Walker than it is in the Rock. It actually seems a little more genuine from the rock, in some ways, but you can tell that Walker isn't just being straight-up FAKE...it's hard to say, it's like Fe types do what SEEMS like exaggeration, but you can feel that there is some truth behind it; with EIEs it happens a lot that the exaggerative bit seems somewhat forced or awkward, even if it is aligned with their internal state. Jack Nicholson is a great example of someone who makes this work really well for him: everything about him seems exaggerated and ridiculous in a way, but there's also a weight behind it that lets you know it's not entirely fake. Paul walker is a lot more understated, being sp primary to Nicholson's sx, and E3 to Nicholson's E8, but if you pay attention to the nuances of his speech and facial expression you can discern the similarity of the accentuation.
Last edited by Gilly; 01-29-2012 at 06:47 PM.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
LIE or LSE.
can't tell yet which of the two.
<3 he's adorable.
His wife definitely strikes me as ESI.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I was partly thinking of his promos/speeches/monologues in WWF/WWE, and how he seems to be adept at invoking and maintaining the emotional atmosphere he wanted in his audience. Moreover, he appears to be relatively sensitive to the emotional nuances of his audience e.g. knowing when to pause purposefully to build up the mood and excitement at critical moments.
Example:
I like hearing him talk.
Last edited by eunice; 01-30-2012 at 02:38 PM.
Hmm. I mean I wouldn't say he's particularly adept at Fe, more just that he's practicd at public speaking. He is very unconvincing and sounds more like an overblown TV announcer than a truly gifted public speaker...
Its because he sounds like a Te type He has a sort of clarity and decisiveness in the way he speaks that I think is very common with Te types. However emotionally speaking he isn't really that compelling to me; like I said, he sounds more like an overblown TV announcer. Te types have this way of using Fe that just strikes me as so cheesy and not really being involved with the way they are expressing themselves; I recently posted a video of Mark Zuckerberg that gives me a similar impression.I like hearing him talk.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
i'm not really seeing Si PoLR, or weak Sensing in general...
He's a little more friendly and smiley than I expected. I feel like I'm watching Gigolo on Showtime. What happened to that "bad ass motherfucker" Sarge in Doom? I'm sort of kidding, but I really liked Sarge in Doom just because I liked watching the apparently ethical and responsible guy in charge be warped into the bad guy by his own secretly damning DNA (it was a story of genetic determinism... where good and evil is inside the genome and although Sarge's life allowed him to be good, something darker lurked beneath that in his genes, making one wonder who really was the "real" Sarge).
I'm not really getting any impressions from watching these things. If it was between LSE and LIE, I'd probably go with LSE.
He doesn't strike me as a sensor. He has some physical composure because, well, he's a trained actor and performer, but he doesn't really strike me as particularly "solid" in terms of his energy. Sure the guy is ripped, but he also has a certain stiffness in his body, not really a pronounced physical presence by virtue of anything but his build, which is hardly type related. I don't see any POLR sticking out like a sore thumb either but that doesn't make him not LIE.
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But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Looks SLI; he takes care of him self; isn't that obvious by his physique?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LSE, probably Si subtype.
ENTJ: competent, precocious, ambitious, assuming, can be high and mighty, high powered, commanding, imposing, authoritative, born leader, diplomatic, political, opinionated, can be manipulative, goal driven, motivated, single-minded, in charge, distinct, articulate, & intelligent speech.
ENTP: energetic, optimistic, non-conformist, eccentric, witty & swift, gambling on and looking ahead to the future, dramatic, highly verbal, loud, very comical, theatrical, exaggerated, precocious, enjoys challenges, prefers juggling many tasks at once (literally & figuratively), master of one-upmanship, may be inconsistent, unpredictable, very opportunistic, sultan of spontaneity, chief entrepreneur, often spends more than can afford, widest personality variety of all personality types (some are even reserved), jack of all trades.
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If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with ENTP for the Rock.
He's just too goofy and "showy" for me to consider ENTJ
Last edited by Computer Loser; 01-31-2012 at 11:28 PM.
Hi felafel,
I was thinking the EJ temperament seems to describe him more accurately as compared to that of EP. Even though he is a relatively entertaining person, there is a certain level of rigidity and predictability in his words and actions. During his performances, when he started speaking or acting in a "forceful" manner, you can see thatthis high level of energy had been consistent throughout his presentation and did not waver much.
Notes from Temperaments:
"EJ temperament
Typical characteristics:
proactive
restless
difficult to relax unless tired
walk tends to be quick-paced and "purposeful", as well as stiff
"calmly energetic" with few intense variations in the level of energy during the day
inclined to fidget when forced to remain inactive for long periods"
"1. EJ – Extroverted rational (linear-vigorous temperament)
Energy exchange. Clearly noticeably expends energy. Usually gives all that he has. Works swiftly and intensively. As long as he has strength he recklessly wastes it. He uses up all of his energy and then collapses with exhaustion. There is no middle ground: either maximum usage of energy (sometimes close to maximum) or total inactivity.
Recommended sports. Team sports, long-distance racing, skiing, skating, bicycle riding, auto-sport, etc.
Emotions and behavior. Straightforward, clear, rough/rigorous, no maneuvering. Not likely to have inner doubts or hesitation. They are sharp and implacable, and their actions are totally predictable. They often end up being the victims of the surroundings – non-dutiful other people, unstable situations and chaotic occurrences."
Excerpt from "Punk'd"
Full video: http://punkd.co.uk/punkd-video/51/The+Rock/
His reaction kind of reminds me of ESTjs/ENTjs I have known when they are experiencing and expressing their anger.From the full video, you can observe from the last part that he didn't really take the prank well even though he attempts to laugh it off. EPs generally tend to brush it off quickly as they tend to revert to their usual self more easily due to their flexibility.
LIE for sure. You can tell at the end that the Rock wasn't even really considering hurting the guy until it was insinuated that he might, and then went on to use this just as a way to "push back" at the suggestion that things were his fault...and wound up getting carried away, lol. Not really his fault, though; the cop did push him first. But the point is, he didn't initially observe his own threatening-ness as a way to psychologically "push back" like an Se type might have done, but the Se information was presented that way, he read the situation and used it to push back. Weak Fe, valued but not-ego Se right there.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Oh yeah he was doing fine at first, it wasn't until the cops started moving between them that he started initiating any semblance of actual aggression. That's what I was saying, lol. I think it's very much like a Se-HA type to exacerbate that kind of situation when they feel threatened or that something is unfair. Making the guy scared was clearly just his way of pushing back until he got carried away.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I guess I can see LIE. Only because he looks like Ashton in the face. I don't feel supervised by him though, it's more like just really boring for me or something emotionally. I'm sure he's an okay guy and everything but not really 'my type.'
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I was watching an interview between him and Craig Ferguson (Se-ESFp), and Dwayne Johnson doesn't seem ESFp imo. Compared to Ferguson, Johnson seems more stiff, focused, purposeful, and his energy seems more consistent throughout the interview. Ferguson appears to be "all over the place", more easily excitable and fidgety.
Anyway, they seem very comfortable with each other's presence during the interview, and I guess been in the same quadra (Gamma) and having some similar interests partly attribute to the friendliness they show to each other.
ENTj -- not sure of Etype. He isnt as obvious as 6's like Chris Daughtry or Rami Kashou, of which has nothing do with the fact that they all shaved their heads. He is goofy as fuck tho lol. I wondered if he was an odd mix, like an E9, but I doubt he is 4 thru 7.
8w9 or maybe also some 3. Maybe 3w4 sp/sx?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I was thinking of 3w4.
He seems more image conscious as compared to a type 8, and I thought he is rather adept in separating his identities as a wrestler and actor. It's like, he is able to portray two different personas for "The Rock" and "Dwayne Johnson" rather successfully to the extent that there isn't much connection between both roles. He seems more interested in "winning and accomplishing" rather than "taking charge and be in control".