https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...inion-00029473
The Supreme Court is expected to publish its final decision within the next two months.
Leaked draft says that Supreme Court has voted to overturn Roe v Wade
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...inion-00029473
The Supreme Court is expected to publish its final decision within the next two months.
My country's conservative party is split between libertarians and Christian traditionalists. There was an expectation that the traditionalists would eventually lose as our society becomes more and more secular, but I'd wager that this legislation is going to embolden them alongside traditionalists across the Western world.
Conservative leaders have been walking a thin line, and often failing, in trying to appeal to both libertarians and traditionalists. I think that their job just got harder.
As far as I understood, this legislation won't ban abortion outright. It passes that decision to individual states. Is that right?
Yeah that’s right.Originally Posted by xerx
26 states are expected to ban abortion. 22 of those states have already passed laws that will go into effect when Roe v Wade is overturned.
https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2...h-ones-and-why
People are going to start voting with their feet.
This is actually a bad sign. More separation between liberals and conservatives will to lead to a bad place.
Honestly, this is what worries me the most about this. I sat in bed imagining the America after this passes and all I saw was an all-around more negative place. These Christians want to sacrifice worldly peace for unworldly, and that's what makes them dangerous.
It's also not legislation, it's the overturning of a previous ruling
Supposed to be a 92% chance Roe v. Wade will be overturned this year:
https://www.metaculus.com/questions/...d-before-2023/
Such a move will likely increase the Democrat share of the vote for many years.
Do they need 60 senators to vote in favour of a federal law permitting abortion?
Yeah they would need 60 senators. Democrats have floated abolishing the filibuster—an option unlikely to succeed.
I really don't like Republicunts and wrong-wingers. They claim to care so much for potentinal life and fetuses but are so cruel and snobby and heartless to lives when they actually do get here. And fuck people in power usually being wrong-wingers as well - they should learn how to govern themselves not other people.
If I was a woman and I was raped or even if I had sex I regretted and wasn't ready fo r a child, I would hate some nosy busy body ESE Republicunt emotionally manipulating me into having the baby when they just want to virtue signal they care about kids but they're pretty much gonna be 'your 2 years old. time to get a job now and leave me alone and not say anything' when the person is born. I fucking hate them all and they hate me. I am proud to be a liberal.
My very left-wing bisexual BDSM-advocate friend is going to be absolutely furious about this lmao.
I love your way with words.
And I love you as a person, even if we are from opposing quadras. *blush* It's probably the shared irrationality ((and shared GAYNESS!)) - I usually have bigger beef with the Delta rationals.
Or socionics is overrated and is mostly a bullshit scam. That can also be true.
Superego relations are known to be strangely attractive.
I don't want to know how many republicans have pressured their mistresses to have abortions. They are all hypocritical trash.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Yeah I was thinking that too- or their own daughters/sisters/mothers if they got raped. They'd just do it in secret or hire a private practice to do it while hypocritically shitting on planned parenthood or liberal organizations wanting to help women that are less privileged and actually you know, need help.
860k abortions were performed in the US in 2017. Half of women seeking abortions in our country earn wages below the federal poverty line.
"If they are poor, then they deserve to be punished. Punished by powerful males, whom they should be grateful to serve and obey. They are property, after all."
You know, I sometimes see cities on fire. And this is seriously why I should not serve in any public office.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 05-05-2022 at 02:53 AM.
Until it's banned in blue states, rich Republican men can still get abortions for their hookers.
How do traditionalist Christians, especially men, feel about recreational sex within marriage? Is that also something that they're willing to disincentivise by banning abortion (and birth control)?
@xerx, What planet are you on?
I'm just sayin'.... As far as I know, there aren't that many evangelical Christians with, like, eight kids.
But that's the number of kids in an Amish family (who presumably don't get abortions or use very much birth control), which suggests that evangelical couples either secretly get abortions, use birth control, aren't very fertile, or don't have a lot of recreational sex.
I doubt that the last two options are very prevalent. And if they don't get abortions, that leaves birth control as the only mechanism for preventing pregnancy, which makes their stance on sex education (they're completely against it) all the more complicated.
Maybe they’re pulling out?
They should teach them that in Sunday school.
Louisiana lawmakers advancing bill to classify abortion as homicide
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lou...de-2022-05-05/
If abortion is murder, then should every miscarriage be investigated for negligent homicide?
A “chemical pregnancy” is a pregnancy that ends within 5 weeks from the start of the woman’s last period. It’s hard to know the true prevalence of chemical pregnancies—most women don’t know they’re pregnant before 5 weeks—but it’s estimated that up to one-third of all pregnancies are chemical pregnancies.
Should the state subject all women of reproductive age to mandatory monthly pregnancy tests and health examinations? Also, should we outlaw alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, etc. for all women who might become pregnant? Should we force feed women healthy diets to optimize the chance of a successful pregnancy?
I hope Roe v. Wade does get overturned. Not because I'm against abortion, but for the same reason I'm against a federal legalization of gay marriage; I'm just over here wondering when it became the business of the federal government. They should restrain themselves to Constitutional matters, and let the voters in each state decide for themselves at the ballot box what they want.
Your rights should not depend on which state you live in...
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
The federal government should respect the right of the states to make up their own minds. That's how this country works. The federal government guarantees basic Constitutional protections and national defense, that should be the scope of their operations. There is overreach everywhere. If an issue is popular enough, which it seems abortion is, there is usually a cascade effect of states passing similar legislation, as we are seeing with marijuana. As we saw with seatbelt laws 30 something years ago. It requires no federal intervention at all. Abortion is not an inalienable right, it is not about "pursuit of happiness." Being from Europe, you should be well aware of how extreme USA abortion regulations are, in terms of how available they are with the law being what it is now. That being said, I am not against abortion legalization in most circumstances, and I also don't want to see more kids born to unfit parents. I don't personally like it, but I am also not in a position of ever needing an abortion, and I accept that. I just don't believe this is something that needs to be decided on a federal level. States have rights, too.
Last edited by Capitalist Pig; 05-12-2022 at 12:18 PM.
This is insane
This is the kind of world that makes Conservatives happy.
maybe this ‘draft’ got ‘leaked’ as a distraction from other issues right now that they don’t want people to pay attention to. Seems kinda fishy to me.
idk the details so I could be way off, and I’m really out of touch with what’s going on right now, but it’s just plain weird imo
Tinder probably won’t be doing as well. lol
My Republicunt post got 8 likes, keep 'em coming y'all.
Aww <3 <3
And I agree - protections of civil rights and against discrimination have to be federal. Otherwise, some states would be pretty quick to segregate water fountains again. The relationship between abortion rights and LGTQ+ rights is pretty obvious - abortion was first, gay marriage will be next.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
No way. A gay person born in Alabama or whatever, or a redneck Hick breeder state - shouldn't have a shitty life just because the State would most likely vote against it.
How dumb and stereotypical to just have a GLBT community in California and Vermont ((and a few other states)) and nowhere else. Pretty heartless and disgusting to treat people that way. Yeah of course some gays really are immoral and don't deserve any 'protection' - but when you think about the reality of what that would do to all the GLBT who don't deserve it, it's a pretty fucked up thing to advocate for.
What does the plight of LGBTQ communities have to do with womens' rights?
Shazaam is just venting, no big deal.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
To @Shazaam I say, you should keep in mind the "State" doesn't vote for anything. The constituency, which is defined as the registered voting population, does. There's also nothing keeping people in these "redneck hick breeder states," you don't need a passport to cross state lines. Of course, if that answer is unacceptable, then getting registered to vote and involved in local, grassroots non-violent activism is a good way to go. Non-profit work and volunteering to support young LGBTQ youths growing up in these "hostile" environments might not be the solution needed, but it can be a good stop-gap to cover for what the state does not protect (whatever that may be). I don't want to get into a debate on LGBTQ rights, because that is not germaine to the abortion topic. However, I don't see how their rights have ever been infringed except by a culture shock of mixed acceptance and hate. There is nothing that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 doesn't already protect against; namely, segregation and discrimination based on sex, race, gender, et al. If you want to discuss this rabbit hole further, we can start a new thread or request a mod to split our discussion.
If pregnancy was something that happened to men (especially rich, conservative men), there would be an abortion clinic on every street corner. Outside of niche academic philosophy, there wouldn't be any sort of debate about the definition of life.
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