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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    Don't be surprised when they give you the middle finger too.

    Not only am I unsurprised, I also don't care.
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    I like how russia is using the nazi narrative, seems a bit odd when you look at their beloved history, which they glorify
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molo...ibbentrop_Pact

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale...n%20Federation.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popu...20deportations.

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    Ukraine must join the European Union, the president of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyenen said in an interview with Euronews

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    Hungarian man copy paste #3:

    Let's talk a bit about the Russian military, i.e. how the f could this "superpower" be completely rebuffed by Ukraine?


    Some say that Russia wanted to win this war mostly through conscripts, and that the "elite" with the "good equipment©" are yet to be deployed. This is not quite true.


    Russia did deploy their elites, their best in fact, the paratroopers. The problem is, those paratroopers are dead. Killed at Hostomel Airport, or blown out of the sky in those two IL-76 transport planes (2-300 instant KIA).


    That being said, Russia still does have a large number of modern equipment that hasn't been deployed yet. The problem is, deploying them isn't easy. You need well-functioning, robust logistics chains to get your hardware moving on such a large scale. Judging by the fact that Russian soldiers are running out of fuel and rations for the second day in a row now, Russian logistics are a complete catastrophy.


    Case in point, their air force: if you look at the difference in size, it's overwhelming. Russians should have achieved air superiority from day 1. And yet, the sky above Ukraine is still contested (the famous pilot called Ghost of Kyiv is now at 10 kills btw).


    They did start sending in some advanced hardware today, like T-90 tanks (a column of which a bunch of villagers blocked, forcing them to turn around), but Western countries also started pumping Ukraine with latest generation weapons. Even Germany is giving them their newest Panzerfaust now, designed to punch through the T-90s reactive armor.


    If anything, this war exposed Russia as a paper tiger. A global superpower with a world-class army, and yet they cannot take a single city in 4 days of invasion? Also keep in mind, rolling through the countryside is the easy part. The hard part is going inside cities and doing urban battle. Russians are stumbling at the easy part. How well would they fare during the latter?


    The moral of the story: you can have huge numbers, mountains of hardware and a sea of troops, but you need the logistics and economy to match it. Russia has neither of the latter two.


    And we haven't even talked about morale, which is a whole other story, one I feel like I've covered enough already.


    Russia is fucked. Glory to Ukraine.

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    I’m disturbed that Putin ordered his nuclear forces to go on high alert today. Wtf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I’m disturbed that Putin ordered his nuclear forces to go on high alert today. Wtf
    Yeah it really is terrifying. It means "Russia will nuke and someone with nukes will retaliate". If this doesn't put him in league with Kim Jong-Un and his ilk, I don't know what does. Actually nuking, probably.

    I heard it was just to give the negotiators a bargaining chip, let's hope that's what it is.

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    This shit just sucks

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    So.... assuming that something called 'Ukraine' survives this war, is there any possibility that it won't immediately join the EU, join NATO, or install the finest anti-Russian kill-missiles? (Rhetorical question)

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    So.... assuming that something called 'Ukraine' survives this war, is there any possibility that it won't immediately join the EU, join NATO, or install the finest anti-Russian kill-missiles? (Rhetorical question)
    Maybe the Ukraine will petition to join Russia because they would be much more free if they did.

    But the trend line is against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    So.... assuming that something called 'Ukraine' survives this war, is there any possibility that it won't immediately join the EU, join NATO, or install the finest anti-Russian kill-missiles? (Rhetorical question)
    I’ve been wondering if, when the war is over, Ukraine might invade Russia?

    The Russian people might take it as an opportunity to get rid of Putin and his kleptocracy. By doing nothing, they could get rid of the kleptocracy and institute a worker’s paradise.

    Then, Russia and Ukraine would be united again, as so many Russian nationalists seem to desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    So.... assuming that something called 'Ukraine' survives this war, is there any possibility that it won't immediately join the EU, join NATO, or install the finest anti-Russian kill-missiles? (Rhetorical question)
    If they manage to get back crimea and the donbass without any border disputes, I'd say they'll join the EU. Maybe NATO too, though they might just decide not too because they would've just proved that they didn't need to be a part of NATO to defend from Russia.

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    Now, neither the West nor Russia has a way out. Whoever shows weakness and takes a step back first, the other side will confirm that they have more to gain by applying extreme pressure.

    However, at this stage both sides are just exerting pressure. Zakharova says Russia's relations with the West are approaching an irreversible tipping point. But she said "approaching," not that the tipping point has been reached. Therefore, at this stage the parties have not yet reached the point of irreversibility.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvDApcDmxR0

    Latvian pilots were trained in Michigan.

    The helicopters follow the arrival in Latvia of about 800 troops from the 173rd Airborne Brigade.

    It's amazing how lethal these things look.

    Putin threatened the use of nukes, and Biden did not provoke him. I'd call that a very smart reaction, since the goal here is to defuse a war, not provoke one.
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    Putin is straight and narrow and apparently quite short.
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    AnnaLynne McCord (random c-list actress) has blessed us with this beautiful poem she wrote for Putin.



    “Dear President Vladimir Putin
    I'm so sorry that I was not your mother
    If I was your mother, you would have been so loved
    Held in the arms of joyous light
    Never would this story's plight
    The world unfurled before our eyes
    A pure demise
    Of nation sitting peaceful under a night sky
    If I was your mother
    The world would have been warm
    So much laughter and joy
    And nothing would harm
    I can't imagine the stain
    The soul-stealing pain
    That the little boy you must have seen and believed”…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    AnnaLynne McCord (random c-list actress) has blessed us with this beautiful poem she wrote for Putin.



    “Dear President Vladimir Putin
    I'm so sorry that I was not your mother
    If I was your mother, you would have been so loved
    Held in the arms of joyous light
    Never would this story's plight
    The world unfurled before our eyes
    A pure demise
    Of nation sitting peaceful under a night sky
    If I was your mother
    The world would have been warm
    So much laughter and joy
    And nothing would harm
    I can't imagine the stain
    The soul-stealing pain
    That the little boy you must have seen and believed”…

    Actors generally are the dumbest people on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leckysupport View Post
    Actors generally are the dumbest people on the planet.
    There are exceptions to this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    There are exceptions to this!
    True. Typically the ones that go on to be producers, writers and directors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leckysupport View Post
    True. Typically the ones that go on to be producers, writers and directors.
    Notably Natalie Portman
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    AnnaLynne McCord (random c-list actress) has blessed us with this beautiful poem she wrote for Putin.
    There've been Catholic blessings and prophesies on another subforum here. Maybe you should head out that way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post


    “Dear President Vladimir Putin
    I'm so sorry that I was not your mother
    If I was your mother, you would have been so loved
    Held in the arms of joyous light
    Never would this story's plight
    The world unfurled before our eyes
    A pure demise
    Of nation sitting peaceful under a night sky
    If I was your mother
    The world would have been warm
    So much laughter and joy
    And nothing would harm
    I can't imagine the stain
    The soul-stealing pain
    That the little boy you must have seen and believed”…
    wow, such fake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    AnnaLynne McCord (random c-list actress) has blessed us with this beautiful poem she wrote for Putin.

    She is lucky she is hot. But she needs to stay out of the sun her fair skin is starting dry out like leather.
    Bound upon me, rush upon me, I will overcome you by enduring your onset: whatever strikes against that which is firm and unconquerable merely injures itself by its own violence. Wherefore, seek some soft and yielding object to pierce with your darts.

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    The dangers of Authoritarian leaders of any philosophy:



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    Yes, Kyiv and Kharkiv have been shelled for the first time since 1941. Two men gave such an order — Adolf ****** and Vladimir Putin.

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    “Dear Mr President Vladimir Putin
    I’m so sorry that I was not your mother
    If I was your mother, I would send you straight to timeout
    So you can sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done to Ukraine
    AND DON’T YOU DARE ASK FOR DESSERT OR ELSE YOU’RE GETTING DOUBLE TIMEOUT”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post

    “Dear President Vladimir Putin
    I'm so sorry that I was not your mother
    If I was your mother, you would have been so loved
    Held in the arms of joyous light
    Never would this story's plight
    The world unfurled before our eyes
    A pure demise
    Of nation sitting peaceful under a night sky
    If I was your mother
    The world would have been warm
    So much laughter and joy
    And nothing would harm
    I can't imagine the stain
    The soul-stealing pain
    That the little boy you must have seen and believed”…

    It doesn't matter if African americans are violently protesting the police, or Syrian children are being killed by arab rebels, or most recently, if ukrainians in Kiev are forced to die in an already lost battle, with no way of getting food or water, and being killed in the streets if they try to escape the city.

    Some white teenage girl will find a way to make it be all about herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    AnnaLynne McCord (random c-list actress) has blessed us with this beautiful poem she wrote for Putin.



    “Dear President Vladimir Putin
    I'm so sorry that I was not your mother
    If I was your mother, you would have been so loved
    Held in the arms of joyous light
    Never would this story's plight
    The world unfurled before our eyes
    A pure demise
    Of nation sitting peaceful under a night sky
    If I was your mother
    The world would have been warm
    So much laughter and joy
    And nothing would harm
    I can't imagine the stain
    The soul-stealing pain
    That the little boy you must have seen and believed”…
    Man, someone tries to share something with good intentions, and people pile-on because…whatever reason.
    Moreover, why judge the intentions/intellectual capacity of the actor in question, if you don’t seem to know anything about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manatroid92 View Post
    Man, someone tries to share something with good intentions, and people pile-on because…whatever reason.
    Moreover, why judge the intentions/intellectual capacity of the actor in question, if you don’t seem to know anything about them?
    Maybe I’m cynical and not giving her the benefit of the doubt, but I assume that celebrities do shit like this for attention .

    I mean, writing a poem for a dictator—“if your mom loved you the way I would have loved you, then you wouldn’t have to hurt”—not only is it self-absorbed and tone-deaf, it feels like she’s blaming this war on his hypothetical mommy issues. Putin is a 70 year old man.
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    Also, while I agree that Western countries were overall pretty cold to refugees coming from Syria and Afghanistan, and that they changed tone when it came to welcoming refugees from the Ukraine (though the situation in Syria was also a bit different) and that this revealed an attitude of hostility towards refugees from the Middle East, I also think using this as an argument to say we shouldn't welcome refugees coming from the Ukraine is coming from a place of "bad faith".

    Bad faith in the sense of it being a rhetorical tactic rather than a sincere argument. Stop repeating arguments that amount to whataboutism and other forms of Soviet propaganda techniques because you just become a useful idiot for the Kremlin that way.
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    https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/fe...rmy-logistics/

    Article from November 2021 about Russian logistics.

    "The Russian army will be hard-pressed to conduct a ground offensive of more than 90 miles beyond the borders of the former Soviet Union without a logistics pause."

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    lol Putin's theme song:


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    "Why should NATO and Ukraine adopt authoritarianism and be the sole actors in making this decision?"

    Any country that doesn't have it's own authority or real power will get easily blown up by others who do. Big fish eat little fish etc- it's not really hard to understand. Ukraine in 1994 sadly traded in their real tangible power for a naive ideal it seems. Authority is never pretty- but it's almost always a necessary evil. Unless you trust the average Karen and Ken to be the sole enactor of justice- and I as sure hell don't. I don't like authority, but I would still want an authority to stop Bundy and Dahmer. etc. But if somebody uses their power inappropriately- like killing civilians and others unprovoked - than a greater authority must stop them.

    In gay koombayah land we wouldn't need this shit and everybody would just hold hands and be friends and we would allow other people to have their own identities and culture without being insecure about it, but as a human race we are not there yet. Obviously. Putin in the past was better at keeping his true evil hidden but this thing pushed him over the edge now everybody is seeing what he's really like. I always saw it, but 4D Ni people often don't have the confidence to convey to this the plebs. And that whole thing about how it's easy to fool other people than convince them they are being fooled.

    At political conferences he was able to use his 4D Demo Si to manipulate homophobes into thinking he's this righteous and good guy. Some evil dictator douche making a 'protect the children' line and the masses of unwashed breeders get in line and say 'Heil ******.'

    ROFLMAO @ STR8 FEMALES THINKING THEY CAN CHANGE PUTIN BY BEING NICE TO HIM. I'm sorry- that poem was sweet, but come on now. I'm not trying to knock heterosexuality too much, sometimes this really does work- but I think it's too little too late....

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    The Q anon people on my fb feed actually think Putin is the good guy (like Trump) and is fighting the Satanic NWO Deep State...by sending troops to bomb civilians and run over civilians with tanks.

    Yeah, okay. That's a brand of crazy I haven't even touched yet and hope never to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    The Q anon people on my fb feed actually think Putin is the good guy (like Trump) and is fighting the Satanic NWO Deep State...by sending troops to bomb civilians and run over civilians with tanks.

    Yeah, okay. That's a brand of crazy I haven't even touched yet and hope never to.
    The problem with free and unfiltered information exchange is that you get to hear everyone, and all the voices are equally loud.

    When I first encountered people like this, I assumed that they were merely stupid and might, just possibly, be educated with more information and some sympathetic understanding.
    But no.
    Most of them are extremely damaged and they want to share their experience with you, by damaging you, too.

    My advice: Don’t give these guys oxygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    The problem with free and unfiltered information exchange is that you get to hear everyone, and all the voices are equally loud.

    When I first encountered people like this, I assumed that they were merely stupid and might, just possibly, be educated with more information and some sympathetic understanding.
    But no.
    Most of them are extremely damaged and they want to share their experience with you, by damaging you, too.

    My advice: Don’t give these guys oxygen.
    My theory is that fanatic religious conspirationist are actually very bored with life and like to imagine they live in a TV show or movie. Not talking about sane Putin or Trump supporters but people who actually believe satanic reptilians run the world from the 7th dimension.

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    Let this be a lesson for all us:

    Say you and another person has a knife. The other person with a knife tries to make you a deal and say if you give up your knife, they promise they will never use their knife against you. You naively and stupidly AND SANSA SEASON 1 STARK ISHLY agree. Look, there's even a contract!

    A few years later ((or whenever)), the other person campily smiles and stabs you in the throat and watches in glee as he stabs you with in the neck with both knives. Blood squirts out in a gory fashion and u drop over dead.

    Maybe that's not exactly what happened - but looks that way to me.

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    Never trust Russians, never. They are experts at lying and disinformation. Both my grandfathers killed them when they invaded us in 1939, with very similar sounding bullshit to justify their actions. Hell, they had the nerve to claim they were dropping food on "poor starving finnish people" when they in actuality were bombing us. This is the origin for Molotov's cocktail btw. I'm fully on Ukraine's side on this, when Russians say they are your "friends", just wait for the knife to your back.

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    It seems that the Russian troops were not told that they were invading the Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1498323215621533698

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    It seems that the Russian troops were not told that they were invading the Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1498323215621533698
    BS propaganda. They were told to say they didn't know otherwise they could get lynched by Ukrainians. Now some Ukrainians have adopted their line to try to humanize this mess, but not true at all.

    Putin is sending Chechens, Dagestanis to invade and kill people who have never done anything to them. He is demented. He's going to wreck Europe.

    @Sol you twisted little old turd. This is what is Ukrainian TV is brodcasting, a small child that later died and of course there's more we're not seeing. How is this going to help 'UkSSR' or make them accept the Russian's peferred solution?



    And as these images keep coming up the following weeks, months and repercussions blow up in your face, what are you going to say? That the world has become 'hithlerist'?
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    Losing this war could be the best thing to happen to modern Russia.

    Losing the Crimean war (1853-56) against the Ottomans, France and the UK, forced the Russian leadership to accept the need for modernization. The loss triggered a massive drive of industrialization, infrastructure building, and social reform (like the ending of serfdom). A renewed zeal for reform (especially WRT. limiting the powers of the executive), while Ukraine joins both NATO and the EU (irreversible demands at this point), would be a good outcome for the current crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Losing this war could be the best thing to happen to modern Russia.
    But what is losing? If they're aiming to keep Eastern Ukraine and trying to force Western Ukraine's hand through invasion and then a deal, that's not losing. We don't know where we stand, sadly.

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    This is interesting. From April 2021. Russian analysts on TV.

    “We will be forced to step onto the battlefield in a fight for which they think we’re not ready,” he added. The host asked: “A fight against whom?” and Sidorov clarified: “Against the collective West.”

    “You can’t turn a wolf into a vegetarian.” The host further claimed that Russia “will be destroyed very quickly” if it “loses Donbas”—a Ukrainian territory that is not Russia’s to lose or to keep—because “Putin’s electorate won’t stand for it.”

    Rather than to risk Putin’s eternal presidency, Soloviev suggested that the fight over Ukraine’s Donbas will end in a “nuclear conflict” between Russia and NATO. Senior military analyst Mikhail Khodaryonok, a former colonel from the Soviet air defense force, opined “I think that any conflict could be stopped by the threat of at least a tactical nuclear strike from our side. The main question is how convincing our message will be.”

    “The same state of war that we have right now would have started within the first 6 months of the Clinton presidency,” asserted Dmitry Kulikov—member of the Zinoviev Club, instituted by the Kremlin-controlled media giant Russia Today—said on Soloviev’s show. He added: “America was much stronger then.” The host, Vladimir Soloviev, pointed out: “And Russia wouldn’t have had four years.” Kulikov emphatically agreed: “That’s why they [Americans] are furious with Trump. He stole those four years from them and gave them to Russia and China.”


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...ainst-the-west
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