Where do they come from? How do you deal with it?
Yes
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Where do they come from? How do you deal with it?
Most likely yes.
I haven't been officially diagnosed or anything. But I'm pretty sure I have social anxiety, and avoidant personality disorder (but that's a stretch, I can't claim a personality disorder). And you know, all the issues that come with social anxiety.
I've read online about social anxiety and it does connect with my experoences in life. I was a shy child and as I because closer to being a teenager, it became social anxiety.
I dont feel I was bullied, or abused but everything else adds up.
Well I've dealt with it for most of my life by avoiding people. At some point I was forced to be around people and the symptoms got less severe after a while but it didnt actually go away.
So my way of dealing with it definitely isn't healthy. I just avoid whatever causes it to act up.
Chronic "grass is always greener" syndrome
Generally no, but if I spend too much time alone (like sometimes happens during COVID times) I get low-key depressed.
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Similarly to what Luna said, I haven’t been officially diagnosed but everything adds up in regard to me having dermatillomania, unfortunately. I deal with it by trying (and failing) to stop, I guess; unlike with most mental health issues, it manifests physically and I could stop the outward symptoms at any time if I could muster the self-control. In the mean time, I try to hide the evidence by caking makeup onto my face.
I experience a significant amount of anxiousness in some social situations—more frequently and intensely than I suspect is typical—but I don’t know if I would technically meet the diagnostic requirements of social anxiety. I’m probably just more shy than average.
I don't think there's generally a clear boundary between "mental health problems" and a personality. Framing everything as a "mental health" concern pathologizes simply being human; e.g. depression is now seen as an "illness;" something that shouldn't be there, rather than a legitimate and often rational response to certain conditions. Everyone has mental health problems by this standard (which is a good thing for the burgeoning "mental health" industry, but not I think a useful way to think). A better title for this thread IMO would be something like "what is the darker side of you like?"
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Anyone who is interested in typology has a mental health issue.
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yeah i was diagnosed with major depression, seasonal affective disorder, and both generalized + social anxiety in the years of me being 10-12. both of my parents have been diagnosed with adhd so i probably have that as well or instead idk. as for how i deal with it, i’ve been on medication since elementary school and i’ve tried therapy off and on. otherwise i warn the people i’m close to about my symptoms and always have an open dialogue with them so that i can take any accountability in case i am irritable and snap or get anxious/depressed and disappear etc. sometimes it happens that we talk about it and decide that my instability would be too much for them in their life and that’s okay too. i don’t know it’s all about transparency i think
My thoughts can get too dark. It's kind of part of me being a IEI-C I think. But the thing with 'mental health problem' is it tends to overly be a Te/Fi value judgement thing. Being caught up in the system as an adolescent with Deltard social workers- I can firmly attest to the truthness of this. Some of them thought I was normal and fine, others thought I was evil incarnate etc or more mentally fucked up than I really was- they just got a self-righteous high thinking they were 'more closer to God' than I was. Most people who judge "mental health" don't really care how healthy you are or not they just want everybody to be a normie Chad or Stacy type person and they can be cruel with you if you aren't a completely average enneagram 3 type of person. The DSM is mostly about a tool for social control- and that chinese proverb about the most tallest unruly nail getting hit the hardest with the Te hammer. This isn't all bad or anything, society by it's necessary design is against the individual. As an IEI tho I have a natural soft spot for the misfit weirdos with magical powers in life compared to Nurse Ratched or Umbridges etc. The line between Genius and Illness can be a thin one!
To me mental health isn't so Fi like that- more like there needs to be more truly objective critiera not a bunch of Deltards psychoanalyzing you and deciding they don't like you because your ethics or values aren't in alignment with what they think they should be etc. This doesn't mean that we allow people to be mentally fucked up or sad- as that obviously leads to bad problems, but that from my Fe/Ti perspective it needs to have better objective logical criteria. Like obviously people chopping up bodies and using them as spices on their dinners would be considered mentally ill- but the people who do that, obviously feel justified themselves.
I'm nuts lol
thats a really dark thoughtttt and im not sure if u mean this society in particular or any society would be implicitly by being a society.This isn't all bad or anything, society by it's necessary design is against the individual.
source of my mental health problems is that society is self deceiving. they scapegoat someone when there needs to be a sacrifice to lie to themselvse to feel gooda bout abusing someone. this all comes from a mentality of self gratification instead of self sacrifice for the sake of someone else, the latter of which are the people that get sacrificed. the problem is tht they are not sacrificed to someone who cares about them, and this often translates into the sacrifices having been unnecessary and avoidable in the first place, but someone's immediate pleasure was more important than thinking about how they affect someone else. people are not fundamentally selfish, but the ones who are are the ones who take over and replace the others. live my life to fight but for what, to make it about controlling people like this from exploiting someone whcih fundamentally ruins my life by making it a bout controlling someone else.
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I'm diagnosed with some shit I do not have, which I've had to deal with since 2012. It's part of what it means to be a "targeted individual". I have tried to solve the source of the problem, but I guess it's justo a too difficult endeavor, and I'd prefer to not get killed, since I don't believe the "better to die on your feet than live on your knees" saying, because as long as you are alive, there is always hope, and I know so much at this point, that on the macro level things don't make much sense and I just don't care anymore.
I have had anxiety since I was 15, unfortunately it's genetic. I probably also have dysthymia, though I have never been diagnosed. I have had 3 other family members with anxious/OCD symptoms, to the point medication was necessary.
I sometimes see reality too clearly.
Fortunately, there are drugs for that.
No I’m completely sane and healthy I swear!! You have to believe me
Read my posts and you be the judge. With philosophy and religion.
Sometimes the person doesn't remember (it became a repressed memory in the subconscious). Those kind of things are most commonly the cause of mental health problems. If this is your case, maybe you'll remember someday if for example you fall in love and experience very strong emotions.
I've had mental problems almost all my life. I would think I had first malfunctions in early-to-mid childhood, and when I was in early high school I got diagnosed with depression. It was an on-and-off thing but it was such a huge part of my life now I see my depressive episodes as an integral part of my personality, which probably isn't healthy, but that's how I roll.
Also, in 2015 I got diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. I got a few psychotic breaks in my life when I have increased anxiety and delusions and other typical positive symptoms, but on meds I'm quite alright, even though I had to work super hard to get back what I lost during my illness. I'm pretty sure I can say nowadays, when it comes to my mental state I'm quite similar to what I've been before the illness, even though it changed my life completely and now I know I will never get my old self back, which caused me a few periods of mourning and sadness. Anyway, the worst has passed - I believe the hardest part was to quit the psychotic state and re-learn the world and your own psychology and stuff from scratch, because the moment your first antipsychotic medication hits, you're a shell of a person and you have to be in therapy to work it all through. I'm glad I'm out of that period, because it was truly hell on Earth.
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That is an entirely different question, and mental health problems are not simply a “darker side” of people. However, it might be helpful if what kind of “mental health” OP wants to know about was specified—as in, whether they're asking about clinical problems or general mental health levels. Psychology is well aware that some things are non-clinical and doesn't treat everything as though it is clinical. Psychology is aware that some things are normal/understandable responses to situations, AKA situational depression, grieving, etc. The first thing many professionals will ask about when you mention depression is whether your life is structured or not. "Do you have a job?" "Do you go to bed at a regular time?" "Do you have a sense of purpose in your life?" Not every kind of depression is clinical or "unjustified," but it's still less than optimal/desirable, and is still something that can and should be worked past. Things are only considered to be a disorder when they are severe enough to interfere with everyday life because they are so extreme/intense/intrusive. Psychology is a science (not a pseudoscience such as typology that you seem to be even more trusting of than a science) that has investigated what distinguishes those levels. I don't mean this in an offensive way, my intention is purely informative when I say this, but to someone who is educated about mental health topics, your post just seems like the average misunderstandings about the mental health field that those who aren't knowledgeable about it have. If you understood mental health topics, you would understand how it addresses these nuances. In other words..."I don't think there's generally a clear boundary between 'mental health problems' and a personality." — that unclear boundary is in your own mind, not in the actual psychology field. The psychology field has studied this ad nauseam. If you learned about the mental health industry, you would better understand those boundaries (because the mental health industry does, it's just that, that is not the impression you have of it because you haven't yet acquired more knowledge about it).
Really? From what I've read this is a problem many psychiatrists have raised concerns about. Firstly, I'll grant that some conditions seem clearly to be the result of something going physically wrong in the brain that can't be traced back to anything a patient might have experienced. But even in these situations, a person is their mind. It's generally difficult to distinguish a "condition" like this from who someone is, because the mind for all intents and purposes is what we consider a human.
But then take the example of ADHD or ADD. Why is it assumed that these is, in fact, "disorders?" How would you distinguish them from a personality trait? If your criterion is that they make it difficult for someone to perform well in society, why don't we just consider being SEI a mental illness?
The questions I mentioned are philosophical, and cannot be answered by the kind of "science" you're talking about. Modern psychology has mostly dispensed with philosophical inquiry in favor of measuring exclusively observable reality. Take the examples you mentioned. Rather than investigating the reason why someone's life is unstructured, the solution is simply to restructure life. If a patient's life is unstructured because their depression has demonstrated to them a need to investigate existential questions they had previously left unconsidered, the psychologist's advice is to brush those problems aside and simply focus on their material life, neglecting their spiritual one. From the psychologist's perspective they've done their work well; the patient is no longer depressed. But the patient is left spiritually impoverished.Psychology is aware that some things are normal/understandable responses to situations, AKA situational depression, grieving, etc. The first thing many professionals will ask about when you mention depression is whether your life is structured or not. "Do you have a job?" "Do you go to bed at a regular time?" "Do you have a sense of purpose in your life?" Not every kind of depression is clinical or "unjustified," but it's still less than optimal/desirable, and is still something that can and should be worked past. Things are only considered to be a disorder when they are severe enough to interfere with everyday life because they are so extreme/intense/intrusive. Psychology is a science (not a pseudoscience such as typology that you seem to be even more trusting of than a science) that has investigated what distinguishes those levels.
We don't understand our natures well enough to justify the assumptions implicit in advice of this kind. We don't know enough to say that depression is necessarily harmful; we can't say that it should be "cured;" made to go away, as it's usually treated. That's why a psychologist should work with humility, remember the patient's individuality, and try both to understand and work with the patient to approach their problems rather than preach at them or impose a dogmatic formula.
What exactly have you read? It is a question many people have, but it ultimately seems directed toward the professionals who are bad at what they do.
Research it if you want to know the answer to that. I say that because it's not a simple one post kind of answer. There is a ton of information in response. Look up more information about peoples' experiences, that may help you better understand what distinguishes normalcy from a disorder. The short answer, though: your personality traits don't get you fired from jobs, ADHD can.
It's funny, ADHD is one of the most debated, and yet one of the disorders with the most research and evidence (including neurological).
That's actually untrue as well. A lot of psychology originates as theory/philosophy, but is further researched, with empirical data collected, etc. and then it becomes accepted as a science. The field involves a lot of theory, which is much of why I am able to recognize how important theory is (despite the fact that I can't fucking stand working with it myself, haha).The questions I mentioned are philosophical, and cannot be answered by the kind of "science" you're talking about. Modern psychology has mostly dispensed with philosophical inquiry in favor of measuring exclusively observable reality.
This is fallacious. Asking whether or not it's unstructured is not intrinsically the same thing as neglecting to ask why it's unstructured. In practice, during therapy sessions, the reasons why it's unstructured would probably almost always be covered, as it's often impossible to resolve a problem without understanding why it's there.Take the examples you mentioned. Rather than investigating the reason why someone's life is unstructured, the solution is simply to restructure life.
This is also a fallacious argument. Your statement A) Suggests that in order to investigate existential questions, the person's life MUST be unstructured; B) Assumes the psychologist's resolution would be to brush that aside; C) The end result would be to neglect the spiritual life.If a patient's life is unstructured because their depression has demonstrated to them a need to investigate existential questions they had previously left unconsidered, the psychologist's advice is to brush those problems aside and simply focus on their material life, neglecting their spiritual one. From the psychologist's perspective they've done their work well; the patient is no longer depressed. But the patient is left spiritually impoverished.
When I read this, the first thing that comes to mind is that, if the "spiritual life" is interfering with the material one, it would indicate that there is an imbalance between the time delegated to the material/spiritual. That would be, if anything, all the more reason why the structure would be needed, as it would allow the patient to delegate time to both of them without it creating depression issues in their life.
A more accurate statement would be that you don't know, not that we (humans) don't know, as there is a knowledge base that has a much better idea of it than you do. Again, your points expose that you're simply misunderstanding because you're not educated about this topic. There are many things that have room for improvement in the field, and no shortage of "professionals" that are bad at what they do, unfortunately, but the mental health field itself is not unable to give adequate responses for your skepticism.We don't understand our natures well enough to justify the assumptions implicit in advice of this kind. We don't know enough to say that depression is necessarily harmful; we can't say that it should be "cured;" made to go away, as it's usually treated. That's why a psychologist should work with humility, remember the patient's individuality, and try both to understand and work with the patient to approach their problems rather than preach at them or impose a dogmatic formula.
Yes.
I come from a family tree with several generations of abuse, and that has compelled me to conduct thorough research into the psychological field for the purpose of self-improvement and sheer curiosity about the unhealthy people I've experienced. I was also a psychology major prior to the abuse interfering with my formal education. (I worked my way into a different career/self-employment instead due to this.) Everyone tells me I should write a book about my life when I share what kinds of experiences I've had. If you know anything about psychology, you likely are aware of how exposure to these kinds of environmental situations tends to cause both mental and physical health problems later in life. Many disorders are epigenetic, meaning, there are dormant genetic susceptibilities that become activated by exposure to certain types of (traumatic) environments. Without those environments, those otherwise dormant disorder vulnerabilities would often never manifest themselves.
Several family members have untreated disorders, such as NPD (one malignant, one covert), Munchhausen's Syndrome, and ADHD. NPD is not genetic, and it's something that forms during developmental years only. Scapegoats are less likely to become narcissists themselves, which is what I was. My brother was more favored and took on some narcissistic traits, but doesn't have NPD. My father's malignant narcissism (which is basically narcissism with traits of psychopathy) has been identified/confirmed by multiple professionals now. I myself have bipolar (the first in my family, which means it's probably caused by the aforementioned environmental factors) and "Inattentive ADHD," which is the updated term for what was formerly known as ADD during the 90's. I was originally diagnosed with ADHD when I was 7, and rediagnosed at age 24. (Since many patients outgrow ADHD, continuing treatment during adulthood requires rediagnosis.) I also have C-PTSD pertaining to multiple types of trauma (flashbacks as though I'm reliving things in the present, etc). I am currently undergoing treatments for everything, and the bipolar symptoms are nonexistent as long as I am on medication.
In the past, I have had several debates with people who were critical of the psychology/psychiatry field(s). During one of these debates, I explained what my personal experiences with bipolar are like. I'll add that here for educational purposes. I am not going to spend time editing it, so bear with the fact that it is still written in the way it was written for its particular context. (In other words, this was a response to what someone else was arguing, but please ignore that aspect of it. This section is just there for the more educational components of it.)
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What you're describing is called Dissociative Amnesia, and all it really indicates is that there was trauma. It doesn't necessarily indicate that there is any PTSD or C-PTSD, which would be the only mental health problems associated with that.
EDIT (Just adding more of my thoughts):
Trauma can, and often does, cause mental health problems, and there is something called ACE which is a measurement of the LIKELIHOOD (no guarantee) that a person will experience traumatic injuries (mental health disorders) as a result of their experiences. Certain factors, such as HSP, can also cause more vulnerability to trauma (although this sensitivity is linked with both negatives and positives, and they also tend to thrive better in positive environments...which has some interesting relations to studies on neuroplasticity). However, whether or not something causes such injuries has no relevance to whether or not it is recalled. Those who don't show signs of mental health injury usually suffer from more physical health problems instead, though.
In rare cases, the dissociative amnesia pertains to Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), which is where the conscious splits off into separate personalities with separate memory holders as a maladaptive coping mechanism for traumatic injury. However, the existence of this is controversial even amongst professionals, and it isn't proven to be a real phenomenon. Some even argue that the therapy intended to help patients actually creates some of the symptoms. Some also argue that it is a part of BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) rather than its own disorder. However, both of these manifest in ways that interfere with daily life, so they would be apparent regardless of (and even partially because of) the presence of dissociative amnesia.
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Incorrect.
I know what I have experienced, and this is that there is a whole bunch of people running around that have some heavy trauma from their childhood repressed. This is the real cause that society seems a zombi cemetery, with people that move around like automatons. Until they remember the trauma, they cannot heal, and they are "proto-persons" (they live dissociated). Sometimes only the emotion associated with the trauma can be recalled; in that case the emotion has to be felt, processed, and accepted. Some people remember it partially, and these are the ones that get labeled "bipolar", "schizophrenic" or "borderline", etc. Some un-repress the trauma thanks to a life experience such as a romance, get circumstantially psychotic (or randomly also, it seems the subconcious chooses the most opportune moment to bring it forward. Alcohol seems to help too), get put on meds by a psychiatrist, and never heal. This is just but a morsel of the truth.EDIT (Just adding more of my thoughts):
Trauma can, and often does, cause mental health problems, and there is something called ACE which is a measurement of the LIKELIHOOD (no guarantee) that a person will experience traumatic injuries (mental health disorders) as a result of their experiences. Certain factors, such as HSP, can also cause more vulnerability to trauma (although this sensitivity is linked with both negatives and positives, and they also tend to thrive better in positive environments...which has some interesting relations to studies on neuroplasticity). However, whether or not something causes such injuries has no relevance to whether or not it is recalled. Those who don't show signs of mental health injury usually suffer from more physical health problems instead, though.
In rare cases, the dissociative amnesia pertains to Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), which is where the conscious splits off into separate personalities with separate memory holders as a maladaptive coping mechanism for traumatic injury. However, the existence of this is controversial even amongst professionals, and it isn't proven to be a real phenomenon. Some even argue that the therapy intended to help patients actually creates some of the symptoms.
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Everyone, even my therapist who's supposed to like me, thinks I'm crazy.
I don't have disorders; just a general sense of malaise around being a sane person in a world that is anything but.
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I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and it's...I don't know. I started hearing and seeing what looked like movie clips of soldiers life and deaths. It is like watching short glimpses of movies. There is one constant voice that sounds like a crowd of people when he talks and he says he's an angel. I'm very close to him and he holds me while I fall asleep. He is one of the soldiers that died.
I have visions.. I guess that's my brand of schizophrenia.
Yes, I do: Bipolar, ADHD, Autism, BPD
Highly likely NPD as well since I have many pervasive traits. “Vunerable cerebral narcissism” would probably be a bullseye for me, but that’s an unofficial take.
It’s extremely isolating. I have always been around people who have either outright denied me having these conditions or denied the severity of them, so I try to care for myself by my lonesome and without treatment. My life has a marked pattern of dreadful loneliness which has only served to exacerbate these problems. People with any of these conditions are often viewed as problematic or sometimes monstrous to some extent, so I try to do the prosocial thing and keep all of my issues contained to myself so I don’t ruin things or hurt people, but this self-directed approach just makes me weary. My experience has taught me that I live in a dog-eat-dog world where if you manage to be top dog or if you manage to connect with or manipulate the other dogs, you win and can live selfishly contented ever after. But I continue to ravenously devour my own tail for nourishment, because I have only ever been able to look to my own ass for support.
It’s my own lack of will to be a downright evil son of a bitch that keeps me groveling in the dirt. My unfaltering attempts to be a good and loving influence in people’s lives keeps destroying me because other people seem to be allergic to it. I wonder more and more if I am just being piously self-righteous, and that maybe being a rat bastard is the only way to persevere, but…. that just doesn’t seem right.
If I could find a place of love and belonging, which I believe I am apt to accept, maybe my mental health “problems” wouldn’t be so problematic.
Also, I think a lot of what I said aligns with the beta quadra complex. Interesting.
Who doesn’t?
I would be able to tell you don't have NPD without you saying it's an unofficial take, based on the bolded alone. Narcissists view people as objects and have what is called "cold empathy," which you can just Google if you're interested.
Why do they deny it? Are you self-diagnosing the rest?It’s extremely isolating. I have always been around people who have either outright denied me having these conditions or denied the severity of them, so I try to care for myself by my lonesome and without treatment.
I'm not trying to add to the invalidation you feel, just wondering why it's happening. People can be idiots about mental health as well (in fact, the vast majority of people are). I've dealt with shit like this, too. It's nothing personal against you, nor me, nor anyone else...mental illness is just very stigmatized. Someone told me I don't have bipolar "because those people are batshit crazy." I'm formally diagnosed and am successfully being treated by bipolar medication to the point of being symptom free (or, in other words, the fact that bipolar treatment works just confirms I actually have bipolar, lol), so it makes no sense to argue that. That was coming from someone who thought I didn't know what "self-esteem" means because I responded to a comment made about low self-esteem, "I know quite a bit about psychology." She doesn't even know enough to realize self-esteem is part of what the field covers. That's the #1 common denominator in every person I've encountered that is critical of the psychology field as a whole and/or stigmatizes mental illness: their knowledge base about it is founded on stereotypes, rumors, biases, and beliefs they never bothered to confirm with science before accepting them. In other words...knowledge deficits.
EDIT:
Btw, autistic people have heightened affective empathy, but lack cognitive empathy (thus the difficulties with fitting in and understanding social dynamics); NPD has cognitive empathy, but lacks affective empathy (thus why they see people as objects).
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I am more at risk due to genetics and repeated trauma. I take an SSRI which keeps things under control. I am probably neurodivergent but as far as mental health problems, I don't really see that as a permanent condition as much as something someone might deal with, get help, get better, and get on with it (life).