Straight men turning for companionship to gay men b/c women this era suck

[lookin4waifu]

Here are my tentative theories:

* Women are having more casual sex and regretting their decision. They feel used, and that translates into hostility against men. Many of the feminists who started the sexual revolution were explicitly polyamourous (by their own admission). Many (most?) women are not and don't share that emotional profile.

* Hardcore porn offers a depraved glimpse into male sexuality. Women see this and are viscerally repelled. It carries over into all their interactions with men.

* Because of an atomized culture, or because they're afraid to violate women's boundaries, or for whatever other reason, young men are less likely to approach women. The ones who do approach never had a strong sense of shame in the first place, don't care about boundaries, and are mainly after sex. Those become the men that women interact with. Social media aggregates random grievances, and social media gossip reinforces the image that men are predatory. The increasing loss of mixed male-female groups makes it harder for men to be properly vetted.

* Women are now more casually sarcastic towards men. Men interpret this as hostility because sarcasm can be used to couch real hostility.

This is extremely accurate.

And media encourages these behaviors too, i.e. casual short term sex among young women, and holding negative views towards/from both sexes.

[serenaeva]

This is extremely accurate.

And media encourages these behaviors too, i.e. casual short term sex among young women, and holding negative views towards/from both sexes.

Biggest lie feminists ever promoted to women is that fucking like men would make them happy.

[Ave]

Biggest lie feminists ever promoted to women is that fucking like men would make them happy.

I meant to reply with my thoughts to your other post, but this one sums up your thoughts better.

I don't know if we can generalize by saying men have to fuck a certain way and women another way (or the same way). Everyone is different, and that's the scary part, discovering yourself, and that the prescriptions of others may not work for you.

I think men want to have more sex simply because society rewards their ego when they "get laid". And the reason women don't (or don't want it to be known if they do) is because they are more often shamed for it. The reality is that women in our day and age have less to fear from getting pregnant (due to the existence of contraception) and more from the taboos associated with women's sexuality and shaming (in western society, much less than in some others but old attitudes die hard). The biological instinct is to have sex, because our instinct is to breed. Biologcally speaking, we are animals, not spiritual beings with a moral conscience.

Edit: That said though, we are not purely machines of breeding. Sex is spiritual too, not just biological. So no matter who you are, sleeping around might not be the best lifestyle because the attachment formed without a relationship to back it up can be unhealthy and lead to trauma. That said, if a person wants to sleep around with a billion partners, I think that's their choice and won't shame them for it.

[Adam Strange]

Biggest lie feminists ever promoted to women is that fucking like men would make them happy.

Different types have different likes.

Fucking like men sometimes made me happy, but there was no guarantee.

I think it worked best with LSIs (fun) and ESI (love, much to my surprise).

[lookin4waifu]

Biggest lie feminists ever promoted to women is that fucking like men would make them happy.

Fucking helps relieve stress in men. Going out and trying to use and conquest and manage chaotic relationships with multiple women isn’t exactly a recipe for happiness for most men either. Most men shouldn’t be fucking like men are told they should either, nevermind women.

[xerx]

If you believe evolutionary psychologists (which is a bit of a risk), women prefer 'alpha males' when engaging in casual sex, 'beta males' when looking to settle down and raise a family.

[Adam Strange]

If you believe evolutionary psychologists (which is a bit of a risk), women prefer 'alpha males' when engaging in casual sex, 'beta males' when looking to settle down and raise a family.

That makes sense to me, and is the way I operate, also.

Quality gene capture is a bonus, but you don't want to buy a house you can't afford.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Quality gene capture is a bonus, but you don't want to buy a house you can't afford.

What? We're talking about people/relationships here. Nobody wants to capture the genes of one man then marry another. The alpha archetype is also not "unaffordable."

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

If you believe evolutionary psychologists (which is a bit of a risk), women prefer 'alpha males' when engaging in casual sex, 'beta males' when looking to settle down and raise a family.

This is actually untrue, despite it being seemingly intuitive knowledge to many people, as the alpha/beta theory has been long disproven to exist even in wolf hierarchies, which was where these archetypes actually originated from. Women also no longer have a preference for this archetype in modern society. It was an ideal that men used to strive for, and we've since redefined it as "toxic masculinity." Perhaps this is because it was never natural to begin with.

[xerx]

I was going to write more, but I had to use the toilet.

This is actually untrue, despite it being seemingly intuitive knowledge to many people, as the alpha/beta theory has been long disproven to exist even in wolf hierarchies, which was where these archetypes actually originated from. Women also no longer have a preference for this archetype in modern society. It was an ideal that men used to strive for, and we've since redefined it as "toxic masculinity." Perhaps this is because it was never natural to begin with.

Yes, you are correct. The wolf hierarchies study was disproved. The 'alpha male' was only bigger because he was the father of the pack (which is a nuclear family), whereas the 'beta males' turned out to be his young children. It makes perfect sense for a father to be bigger and more dominant than his puppies. The scientist who made that study spent years trying to correct this misconception.

Evo-psych is a pretty mixed bag. There was a MAJOR evo-psych claim that women were attracted to muscular alpha males during ovulation (at their peak fertility), whereas they preferred more family-oriented males during the rest of their period. That finding caused ripples because of how provocative it was. It has also completely failed to replicate.

But the most damning thing of all is this: evo-psych glosses over the question of free will, which is nevertheless still an open question. I see it as a perfect complement to our culture of mass advertising and mass control.