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    But aren't bodily sensations tied directly into si? Wouldn't being able to remember tastes and smells signify better si?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambrian explosion View Post
    But aren't bodily sensations tied directly into si? Wouldn't being able to remember tastes and smells signify better si?
    Sounds like MBTI Si. That said, I can easily recall sensations so there might be something to it. I think Si has more to do with going with the flow and enjoying the moment or trying to make the most of the moment. However, what this looks like is highly subjective. Some people like to surround themselves with luxury and their sense of aesthetics may be more high brow. Then there are people like myself who have simpler tastes or find beauty in things people take for granted or might see as ugly. Like I can find a run down looking shack aesthetically appealing whereas others would say it is ugly because it is dilapidated. Some people like shiny new shoes but I prefer something worn but sturdy. So, again, Si is sort of in the eye of the beholder.

    I think Si definitely has to do with comfort, convenience, and tends towards preferring a sense of stability. When my comfort and sense of stability is disturbed, I tend to react poorly. I am a bit more tolerant towards inconvenience, though, unless it is a constant thing.

    Bodily sensations are a factor. Like, I usually know why I am experiencing a certain sensation and can figure out how to change it. For instance, if I feel nauseous, I can usually determine if it is because I am very hungry and need food or if it is from an upset stomach where ginger and leafy greens would help settle my stomach or if I need to lay off certain consumables. I also find it difficult to ignore bodily sensations unless they are chronic and mild. For instance, I deal with chronic pain in my back and shoulders and I can usually ignore it because I am used to the pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post

    I think Si definitely has to do with comfort, convenience, and tends towards preferring a sense of stability. When my comfort and sense of stability is disturbed, I tend to react poorly. I am a bit more tolerant towards inconvenience, though, unless it is a constant thing.
    This is definitely true of the Si types (SLI&SEI), but you shouldn't attribute convenience and stability to Si as a function, but instead to Se ignoring: Avoiding too much impact from the disturbing world of objects. Convinience might also have something to do with the Te in SLI.
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    OP, have you thought of using dichotomies such as he ones described by Jung or the Big Five personality system to determine your socionics type?

    Rather than going function per function, which is often very convoluted, why not just contrast dichotomies and see which ones fit you more. You raise an interesting point about about everyone (not just Si users) being aware of their bodies, the question is not whether intuitive types are or not aware of their bodies, it's which one you focus on more (intuition or sensing).

    This is how I would port big five to socionics.

    High openness relates to intuition, low openness to sensing.

    Extraversion is the same thing as in Jungian typology.

    Orderliness relates to rationality, low orderliness is typical behavior of irrationals.

    Agreeableness relates to high ethics, low agreeableness relates to logic.

    And I would just ignore neuroticism for the sake of this experiment since it doesn't relate to Jung's dichotomies (some would say it actually relates to thinking vs feeling but to me it seems unrelated).

    An objection to this approach might be that it focuses on behavior and that can be misleading, since in socionics, behavior does not always correlate to type (the concept of introverted extraverts for example). But I think this highlights the problem with socionics: by excluding behavior from the typological equation, what external, measurable metric is there? Sure, there can be some leeway in what behaviors point to type, but there are some behaviors which clearly indicate certain preferences and even certain types. Looking at the type profiles written by various socionists, they don't differ that much. What differs is the methods used to determine type, and which is why different schools have such vastly clashing results when it comes to specific people's types. But the type "profiles" are very similar from one school to another. Why? Think about it.
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    @Uncle Ave My Big 5 type is somewhere between RLUEI and SLUAI, xLUxI being constant. (I took multiple tests)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambrian explosion View Post
    @Uncle Ave My Big 5 type is somewhere between RLUEI and SLUAI, xLUxI being constant. (I took multiple tests)
    Limbic/calm is not really relevant to socionics IMO. Unstructured and Inquisitive might point to irrationality and intuition, respectively - the ones that are constants are more telling, of course.

    Maybe my method is wrong, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cambrian explosion View Post
    But aren't bodily sensations tied directly into si? Wouldn't being able to remember tastes and smells signify better si?
    yes it has connections to having at least decent Sensing. its a sensation after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambrian explosion View Post
    But aren't bodily sensations tied directly into si? Wouldn't being able to remember tastes and smells signify better si?
    intuitives are more sensitive. they also tend to be more neurotic in the weak sense. sensors tend to be more neurotic in the strong/forceful sense. people with strong Si are repressing intuition this means they repress the negative sensations they dont like in favor of the ones that they do like.
    ur remembering sensations could be 4D Fi with 2D valued Si. if u remember the negatives and cant shut it off easily u would use Ne be restless to escape it. Good Si users can numb the unpleasant with what's pleasant so they are not neurotic like that. They are in control of how sensations affect them.
    ime Si egos can overreact to things but it;s due to Ne. they dont feel so helpless uncomfortable sensation wise. they feel helpless when they project wild assumptions about waht they dont understand or shut all of those off to pretend everything's going fine or that it doesnt matter how bad it is. my mother is very disgust reactive not sensitive. what makes them good at chores is also the fact that they can shut off the unpleasantness as they wish. they feel more rewarded by making things clean and tidy then they feel bad about working towards that.
    ur instant recall also sounds like Fi memories. thats also why ILIs tend to have good memories even with valued 2D Fi.
    Si is not even about sensations. its about internal irrational impulses that guide each other to manipulating something outside (Te/Fe). the differnce between this and Ni is that Ni releases the irrational impulses, to look beyond them into what's guiding them. intuitives have reduced barrier between their conscious and unconscious minds. this makes them more unstable bc contents keep oscillating from one thing to another. thats also why they need more general variety of stimulation.
    Si would be better at being able to consistently reproduce the same result. U eating the same food could be one way to stabilize urself that makes u unstable in other areas hence u hate chores. if u had more variety in ur life maybe there would be a point of being overwhelmed so chores would be relaxing instead.

    Se would be seeking external stimulation to feed Ti/Fi. This is concrete things like properties of sound or visuals but not only.
    Sensation is a metaphor about a way of cognition. it doesnt mean literally sensations. it may mean more literal perception in general though.
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    @VewyScawwyNawcissist

    Thanks for the explanation! Perhaps I managed to misunderstand the Si descriptions because they all mention physical sensations and stability so maybe I took it too literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambrian explosion View Post
    @VewyScawwyNawcissist

    Thanks for the explanation! Perhaps I managed to misunderstand the Si descriptions because they all mention physical sensations and stability so maybe I took it too literally.
    Jung mentions that it removes physical sensation for the sake of the subjective experience it brings. they also do mention physical sensation bc its the most concrete example. the difficult part is understanding how its not about just that.
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