There's something about the transactional nature of this relationship that makes me sick, but I can't really argue why.
There's something about the transactional nature of this relationship that makes me sick, but I can't really argue why.
I've watched interviews with former sex workers, but there isn't a consensus on whether or not it's a good thing. Some were completely traumatized by it, whereas others found it empowering. I really have no idea what to think about about it, especially as a man (whose understanding of women's real feelings is entirely theoretical).
I'll say this, though: the glorification of sex work might be problematic. For a naive teenager, is eighteen really the best age to make life-altering decisions?
Sex-negative feminists say that it opens the door to sexual abuse and trafficking. Marxist feminists sometimes add that it commodifies the woman's body, which is in itself a form of violence. But I suspect that the objection is deeper and more visceral. I seriously believe that most women recoil in horror at the idea of selling your body — to the point that sex producers and consumers (and maybe the sex workers as well) seem like subhuman mega-creeps to them — and that even liberal, sex positive feminists (the type that are currently in control of academia) secretly hate it, and only support it because it lines up with liberal dogma WRT. bodily autonomy.
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According to this, young women, especially feminist women, are turning away from sex-positivity, mostly as a reaction to hookup culture and extreme porn: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/o...-feminism.html. Seems interesting if true.
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Just realized that there's a paywall. Here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210924...-feminism.htmlOriginally Posted by xerx
I don't think there's anything wrong with selling love; only for selling it for something as cheap as money.
Fidelity, physical pleasure, and/or interesting conversation work.
@FreelancePoliceman, would you consider dating a blonde ESE who drives a red convertible and is happy, healthy, financially secure and a clinical psychologist who said she values fidelity and is looking for a loquacious and straightforward man?
Would you date her if she’s ten or fifteen years older than you?
Asking for a friend.
As I’ve said, I’m not sure duality is optimal for marriage, but I’d probably be willing to date her at least. Loquacious, eh, I can try to be; I’m not sure if I’d qualify. Why; do you have one? Lol.@FreelancePoliceman, would you consider dating a blonde ESE who drives a red convertible and is happy, healthy, financially secure and a clinical psychologist who said she values fidelity and is looking for a loquacious and straightforward man?
Would you date her if she’s ten or fifteen years older than you?
Asking for a friend.
Yes. She contacted me on Match and said “I like your straightforward manner (in my profile) and here is my phone number.”
I looked at her pictures, decided “ESE”, then called her.
In a twenty minute conversation, we decided that we are each terrific people but not terrific for each other. She asked me to help her find a mate, and I met this LII at Kinko’s who looks OK, but he’s probably 10-15 years younger than her.
Hence my question.
I was just trying to find out if an LII would date older, and thanks for your answer, but she’s even further away from you than 15 years. She’s probably your mother’s age.
Lol. Personally speaking I don't think I'd mind having a sort of informal relationship with an older woman, but for a committed relationship/marriage I'd prefer a woman who's in a similar or younger stage of life. 15 years is pushing it, but I'd be at least willing to give it a try.Yes. She contacted me on Match and said “I like your straightforward manner (in my profile) and here is my phone number.”
I looked at her pictures, decided “ESE”, then called her.
In a twenty minute conversation, we decided that we are each terrific people but not terrific for each other. She asked me to help her find a mate, and I met this LII at Kinko’s who looks OK, but he’s probably 10-15 years younger than her.
Hence my question.
I was just trying to find out if an LII would date older, and thanks for your answer, but she’s even further away from you than 15 years. She’s probably your mother’s age.
Something occurred to me recently. Some sugar babies (and sex workers in general) probably get paid with connections and careers. Their best clients are, presumably, rich and connected men.
Right now, there is a perception that not a lot of women are sugar babies. And people that accuse women of sleeping their way to the top aren't supposed to be taken seriously. They can be dismissed for being misogynists or bitter about losing that same promotion. But if sugaring were normalized — if say 5% of women started doing it (which is still a small percentage, but not small enough to be inconspicuous) — those accusations would suddenly seem more credible.
And couldn't these accusations be weaponized by rivals, used to justify feelings of bitterness against co-workers, and create disillusionment with the ideal of meritocracy? And if there was the real possibility of being seen as a sugar daddy, wouldn't a lot of men stop mentoring women at work?
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If the men are rich and powerful and have gotten away with misdeeds before, then chances are that they believe they will never get caught. With every uncaught wrongdoing they push their moral borders further. Just take a look at Se-valuing Silvio Berlusconi, who even after being convicted for holding bunga-bunga parties with underage teenage girls, tried once again to become president of Italy. He also has been convicted of corruption as the boss of the largest media coporation of Italy. A similar thing has been going on with Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, who currently is charged for corruption. Power doesn't necessarily corrupt inasmuch as that it attracts corrupt people to it. These people then drop their masks the moment they have gotten in charge. Helping some young femme up in the corporate hierarchy in exchange for sex is probably one of their lesser crimes in life. Oftentimes their deeds are covered up by other high-ranking leaders and managers, who indulge in similar vices. It is for a reason that corporate executives and state leaders have been scientifically found to show more symptoms of both psychopathy and narcissism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTgpTdEHOmE
Regarding the women who get a leg up this way, how are you going to prove that they acquired their position through sex? They'll descredit your claims as mere rumours. It's slander against their good name, and anyone spreading these rumours should be exiled. After all, never have I heard of an official committee being towed up to investigate if certain women got their position doing sex services for their boss. What does exist, however, are official committees that investigate sexual abuse of bosses, which then fire or demote said bosses. Who do you think are next in line to replace their bosses? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqFpn1b3A6g Men and women differ less than people think, including in their desire for power.
Given the old gender roles, sexual abuse is ever portrayed to be perpetrated by men with women being the victims. If any men would even so much as claim to be victimized by a woman, they will be emasculated and ridiculed. No-one will take them seriously as a man anymore. Sexual abuse can affect all genders, but the media portray only one side of the story. They thereby propagate a narrative of all men being uncontrollable beasts that cannot be left in charge. Don't get me wrong, sexual abuse is a very serious crime that should be fought against, but the whole story should be told that men can be as much victimized by women as the other way around. Sexual abuse affects everyone.
Last edited by Armitage; 02-05-2022 at 12:26 PM.
That's all true. You really can't prove it.
But there is nothing very official about office gossip. For someone who resents having lost a promotion, it'd be a tempting explanation.
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