Fe Ha

[Distance]

I'm trying to figure out my motivations in the realm of Fe. When i see a problem, when people have problems, i'm drawn to help and fix.
If there is conflict on the forum, i''ll try to offer something up to resolve it. Some of you have probably seen that here.

Negative energy affects me psychologically because whatever quantity is there in real time, i seem to absorb, and it's something i want to shake off.

I once "fixed" an alcoholic neighbor, unemployed perpetually, living off his girlfriend, to work by persuading him and selling an idea to him he could be happier if he did. He had a suspended license and i drove him to work, or picked him up i cant recall. I saw potential, it worked, he inhabited new habits. I guess i'm quite a salesmen.

I think this is 1w2 at play, because i know another guy who would get involved with women, in toxic relationships to fix them, and he ends up losing on this romance end. He wants to fix everything. Strange, but that's how it falls.

Is this Fe hidden agenda?

Thoughts are appreciated.

[Sol]

Is this Fe hidden agenda?

make a typing theme with a video and a questionnaire

[Distance]

make a typing theme with a video and a questionnaire

There is enough in my salvo for what motivates me. If i''m read here on the forum with 300 posts there should be enough here to add something to this, or correct something, by someone, i hope.

If not, it will dangle in nowhere land.

[Riven]

I can relate to wanting to solve people's problems, not unfrequently I'm a mediator of other people's conflicts. And also other kinds of problems, I have a hard time relating with people sometimes because they'll vent about issues just for the sake of connection, but I interpret it as a request for help. I'm affected by negative energy as well, but my common reaction is to distance myself from any source of problems, depending on the prospects of things getting better in the near future.

About wanting to control everything... I don't strive to control others in any way, I just wish that people won't get in my ways. I relate to E1 but I'm waaay too much of an sp 1w9. I get the thing of "seeing people's potential" but I don't do any direct work related to this, I'll just work in the shadows as a kind of counselor. At the end of the day, I'm still a very self-absorbed person.

Is any of this Fe HA? Who knows. I think not all of this is related, but I decided to point out which aspects of what you described I can relate.

I think the Wikisocion descriptions are good enough to have a basis to explain how I perceive Fe HA:

Enjoy lively, animated and fun interaction with people, but tend to be unemotional when left on their own. However, he is not inclined to create this atmosphere himself but can create situations where there is a good chance that others will take the emotional initiative and create a fun and emotionally stimulating atmosphere. Failure at such attempts are met with dismay, which the individual either hides or reacts to with frustration and annoyance.

In large groups or groups of new acquaintances, SLEs sometimes inadvertently estrange themselves from everyone else, which may give off a negative impression. The SLE may assume this contrary attitude in order to seek Fe while preserving the atmosphere of the group. If another individual shows acceptance of the SLE, he will immediately brighten and join the now warmer emotional mood. Alternatively, if the SLE fails to receive the desired emotional cues, he will further distance himself from the situation, highly averse to "being a drag" to the group dynamic.

There seems to be an "emotional contradiction" with the SLE; there is a constant internal struggle to both reveal to others their true feelings and a desire to guard themselves from adverse people or situations. He finds it extremely difficult - almost unnatural - to express his deepest feelings about an experience he's had. SLEs try to avoid looking vulnerable, weak or dependent, which is why they appear to be such closely guarded individuals. SLEs will, like any other logical type, attempt to keep their feelings under control and subordinate to their reasoning. They refuse to let their emotions complicate professional relationships, and make a conscious effort to maintain the same emotionality with all.

Most of what I quoted is from the SLE description but I have no reasons to think the things mentioned are any different for ILEs. Whatever I say are just my impressions though, based on my experience and observations of people I typed myself. I don't claim whatever I'm saying here to be the truth.

Externally, Fe HA mainly manifests as goofiness, as being a charismatic person, perhaps having a large circle of acquaintances... Internally, there's a huge insecurity in the realm of relationships, a gap between the outer behavior and what is going on the inside. For example, I know several people but I never invite anyone out because have no idea how others think of me. My SLE coworker always says we should go to a party or something, but when we arrange something he just goes MIA on the day and doesn't show up. He's got a super confident facade but talking to him I found out he's in fact insecure.

There's other aspects too, that are more like a consequence of the things surrounding Fe HA (like having Ti creative). Now, speculating something, I don't know how it is to be a leading Fe person, but I think the Fe aspects are just too natural for them for it to be worth/interesting discussing or considering.

Talking about you specifically, I'm not great at typing people irl, online it can be even worse, but I don't think the way you approach ethics subjects necessarily points towards you being an F type. Your posts about these topics look too much like a simulation of ethics in a sense. As far as I know you're older than me, could be just a matter of online expression, but I don't think your writings should be that far off from how things are presented inside your mind.

[Distance]

I can relate to wanting to solve people's problems, not unfrequently I'm a mediator of other people's conflicts. And also other kinds of problems, I have a hard time relating with people sometimes because they'll vent about issues just for the sake of connection, but I interpret it as a request for help. I'm affected by negative energy as well, but my common reaction is to distance myself from any source of problems, depending on the prospects of things getting better in the near future.

About wanting to control everything... I don't strive to control others in any way, I just wish that people won't get in my ways. I relate to E1 but I'm waaay too much of an sp 1w9. I get the thing of "seeing people's potential" but I don't do any direct work related to this, I'll just work in the shadows as a kind of counselor. At the end of the day, I'm still a very self-absorbed person.

Is any of this Fe HA? Who knows. I think not all of this is related, but I decided to point out which aspects of what you described I can relate.

I think the Wikisocion descriptions are good enough to have a basis to explain how I perceive Fe HA:


Most of what I quoted is from the SLE description but I have no reasons to think the things mentioned are any different for ILEs. Whatever I say are just my impressions though, based on my experience and observations of people I typed myself. I don't claim whatever I'm saying here to be the truth.

Externally, Fe HA mainly manifests as goofiness, as being a charismatic person, perhaps having a large circle of acquaintances... Internally, there's a huge insecurity in the realm of relationships, a gap between the outer behavior and what is going on the inside. For example, I know several people but I never invite anyone out because have no idea how others think of me. My SLE coworker always says we should go to a party or something, but when we arrange something he just goes MIA on the day and doesn't show up. He's got a super confident facade but talking to him I found out he's in fact insecure.

There's other aspects too, that are more like a consequence of the things surrounding Fe HA (like having Ti creative). Now, speculating something, I don't know how it is to be a leading Fe person, but I think the Fe aspects are just too natural for them for it to be worth/interesting discussing or considering.

Talking about you specifically, I'm not great at typing people irl, online it can be even worse, but I don't think the way you approach ethics subjects necessarily points towards you being an F type. Your posts about these topics look too much like a simulation of ethics in a sense. As far as I know you're older than me, could be just a matter of online expression, but I don't think your writings should be that far off from how things are presented inside your mind.

I had an ENTP friend like you years ago. When i read your posts it looks almost the same as would have said it. Strange. There are doubles out there in people in the same types, i've seen it.

I don't identify EJ, but the control thing is different because in types i know, in SLE they sort of roll back at suggestions or will ask for suggestions mediating. I kind of press it, and what i'm thinking is 1w2 is a reformer type. I can be manipulative in laying out things and making a trap in consequences. "This is the best way to go."

As i've thought here before, my ethics lines are strange if going by a T type. "Strange " as far as suggesting it, in my experience. Another point here is i got lost on Ne and Ni by reading conflicting things about its manifestations and i lost my trace again, confusing the two.

I think it is Si bad or inferior because Ne adds too much quickly and it overloads it with information, because there is few grounding points with it.

Thanks for the reply.

[The Reality Denialist]

The funny thing that suggestive seems much more reactive than mobilizing in any case.

It looks externally that the person is holding mobilizing in or hardly resonates with it but it supposedly lifts off the pressure. Without activating tendencies this is actually pretty close to ignoring seen in supervisor. Troubled and quite inert (regarding to self).

[Distance]

Fe being like this, makes me wonder on subtype.

I think i'm a Ti subtype ENTP as i've thought before, i think downward, not expanding out and branching out with extraverted intuition connecting more ideas.

I know nothing about the system, if it means much, or what i'm doing by the functions.

As a guess if Ti strong then the contact functions roll in with this, at the expense of the inert?

Like Te Ti Se Si enhanced?

[thistle]

It's possible that it is? The way you describe it it's like you are mobilised to act on people's visible (or readable) emotions that make you feel uncomfortable, negative. You want certain things or outcomes for people, so there is something that motivates you to show concern for them.

A (brusque, for example) dynamic between two people that you observe may be considered acceptable between them - from one to the other (Fi), but that doesn't make your desire to put it back in order Fe necessarily.
Perhaps it is a combination of things, including Enneagram behaviours as you said.


Another thought I had:
By you making visible changes in your environment e.g. providing transport for your neighbour , his appreciation may be more in "real time" , to use your phrasing.
I think Fe mobilising can be observed as proactive acts that would appreciate an instant response to feel closeness. A response that is not riding on that particular moment/context may feel disappointing?

I'm not sure if I am adding anything new here sorry.

[Rusal]

Lending a hand to someone in need...well, as much I have seen SLEs or ILEs do it. Fe HA comes off more like...

wanting to be treated nicely without letting go of insidious immaturity (iles) or a tougher hand (sles)

[Distance]

^ Well my mother is EIE and she found herself helping like that too. I was nutured around Fe extraversion.

I was around 5-6 yo and her cousin was over and balling about a cheating relationship, it was devastating to her, and I went outside and picked a flower, put in a pot, and presented it to her. She started balling in the reverse, like happy balling.

Pound Fe Ha baby### 3 for emphasis.

That^ is Beta nurturing.

[Distance]

ILE H subtype it looks like.

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