The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
An early enneagram adopter was Christian.
https://religionnews.com/2017/09/05/...namored-by-it/
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
@MissDucki
I don’t mind discussing/arguing this, but the issue for me isn’t a particular introspective laziness, and I don’t think I’m particularly averse to conflict.
I don’t really see a way to put this into words without sounding angsty. Whatever.
Yeah 6w7 might actually make more sense. I'm still not sure of the tritype, but for now I think something like 649 or mb 648.
Let me type you: 6w7 sx/sp(definitely not sp/sx nor contraflow, you care way too much about finding an ILE for an sp first), 6+2+8 "mama duck" tritype.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
@MissDucki
Cool!
always neat to hear others perceptions and I think I kinda see where you got it from
i can definitely be more assertive when I am in a place where I feel like I can get away with it lol.
And I can relate to all the types really, except 7 and 8 tbh… so many people have told me I’m a 9 I just go with it now
but you aren’t the first (think the 3rd(?)To think 2, and at least the 3rd for 3)
Ahaha! I guess I really talk about finding an ILE on here do I? I’ve always been secretly partner seeking but I am really not willing to throw myself in the fire like most Sx doms to be honest. As much as I deeply crave that connection, and that maybe an ILE may be my best bet in finding it, I would rather be alone. I’m used to choosing myself in the end and I end up choosing to sacrifice my heart to save myself to be honest. I would choose me in the end. It’s more safer Well, that is until I actually find an Angel on earth but that doesn’t exist
Thank you though!
My main argument for you being a 9 and not a 5 is because I think a Type 3 would bring a healthier and more joyful aspect of your life then a type 8. You can very well be a 5. I don’t view Type 9‘s as not introspective, I just find that instinct triad seems to be able to flow with groups apart from the self which I think you do easily.
Thank you for the explanation!
You can very much well be a 7w8! Just from our interactions on here and with others, you seem much more 8 like. You have mentioned wanting to be more serious on here and you are not afraid to be assertive and say what you think. You also seem wayyy to go with the flow to me with some aspects. Also, my biggest reason is that you seem to have a caring reason behind your intentions. When 8‘s move to type 2‘s, they appear more softer and a champion for the underdog kinda. With what you mentioned of exploring more of that side of yourself lately, I see more of that then a type 7 moving to 5. However, after brushing up on my enneagram readings, I can very much see type 7 as well now.
Just my explanation.
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@FreelancePoliceman 5w6 so (archetypically fits social 5) @Braingel 4w5 so (archetypically fits social 4, 459>469) @Poptart sp 6w5 (I'm thinking 693) @fatgurl so 9w1 (I'm thinking 972) @MissDucki sp 6w7 (and definitely no 8 in her tritype, if I had to take a shot at it, 692>629) @aster 9w1 @BILLYLO sp 6 @Baqer sp @myresearch 5 @BandD 5w4 @thehotelambush 5w6 @PseudoRandomBSGenerator 7w6 @Tallmo 9w1 (9w1 6w5) @flowers and sugar 9w1 @RaptorWizard Fool 7w6 (I'm thinking 794>792) @Sol 1w9 @inumbra 4w5 (Tritype 459, I see triply withdrawn being a thing) @Northstar 8w9 sounds correct
My type - so/sx 4w3
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I had to think about this and go through some of your old postings to get a more strong idea.
Okay, in regards to an 8w7, you can very much well be. You have mentioned you like to be silly and joke around with others. You have mentioned overthinking in regards to others. You seem to want to enjoy life and not feel crappy feelings. I mean, you liked my little angsty post where my wing 7 was tearing it’s ugly head.
I have a couple arguments against w7 for you. One, I think your overthinking rather leads to your PoLR then feeling stuck in pain and not having a way out. My brother is a 7 and is not much of an overthinker. Though, he always seems to mentally figure out and do some sort of mental gymnastics to avoid pain. Wing 7‘s tend to get a bit destructive when not wanting to deal with their pain. Not in regards to others but to themselves. I thought I was a w5 for awhile because I was so introverted and I liked to analyze things. While I appear extroverted and like to joke, I don’t relate that to my w7. Rather, I get a little nuts when I can’t avoid pain. I will over indulge to the point to avoid pain and I have to be very careful in this regard for this to not lead to an addiction or lead me to do something really stupid. I am connected to my feelings, I am just in disconnect how to deal with it mentally and that leads to a mental fun show. I don’t really see that with you. Plus, all wing 7‘s are crazy in some way, you seem way too even tempered on here and healthy.
I also perceive you for wanting to be with the flow of others from some of your posts. Like you have mentioned that people seem to see you as just a joker or really good at debate but you want to be seen as much more then that. When 6 moves to 9, the become more go with the flow. When 9 moved to 3, they become more assertive and become more individualized in an aspect.
This is just my reasonings for what I have seen you on here. If we actually sat down and had a conversation in real life, I may very well have a different tune. Deeper conversations with discussing life events and thought processes of that make it much easier. Plus facial expressions and emotional tone helps too. You know yourself best, this is just some food for thought
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I took this test
And I sorta agree with the results. Makes sense that you see me as 9w1
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http://enneagramuserguide.com/enneagram-tests
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Idk what enneagram I am, they all sound a little bit like me.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
@D E M O N
From what I know, I’ve seen more negative reviews about the enneagram in the church.
Some people in the church see it as a good tool, and the other half think it’s something sent from the devil to corrupt the church.
https://youtu.be/rqh4XTDVboc
https://youtu.be/yFwr4ikOK78
https://youtu.be/VelD1ysN-aY
https://youtu.be/kjSHUjC_AVE
https://youtu.be/cYKlUR-3Vxo
https://youtu.be/9umuxq9e4AI
From doing a simple YouTube video search, the top results against the enneagram outweigh the support for using it in the church. I only found one playlist with one guy supporting the use of the enneagram in the church, outweighed by the other people calling it out above.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...It3IeR6muq8Z-G
If I had to guess why it’s being endorsed in the church, I’d say that it would have to do with the influence of Richard Rohr, who many say is a heretic, and upon listening to him, nothing he says is actually properly backed up by the Bible.
He claims to be a Christian but he’s not really one, it seems. I think that the enneagram and the church teachings shouldn’t mix because they’re both form completely different spiritual backgrounds.
Christianity and the enneagram aren’t linked. They’re two separate spiritual sects; one is occult based, and one is based of the Bible.
I’m not really into the enneagram, or much of a believer of it myself because I think that it’s too spiritual and new aged based at times. I have dabbled in it in the past a bit, but I prefer something more systematic like Socionics to decipher people and systems.
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I do not suffer fools gladly.
Less talk about the church and more about what enneagram type I am . @MissDucki confused me by typing me a 2 and I'm going through an internal struggle rn because it makes sense.
@DEAD I was more curious why it was accepted at all rather than why it's not or how much acceptance there is in the Christian community over it. Overall I don't really care lol.
But since you put the work in, I'll try hard to respond. The Sandals Church channel was what I used as an example. IDK about the Catholic Church, where I'm from that's not the predominant Christian influence so I wasn't really even thinking about them.
I saw these strange "pastor-like" people talking about the enneagram and I got curious if anyone knew the answer as to why they exist.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
I am just going to ramble my thoughts real quick. If you don’t want to deal with crap Te, move along
Also, thanks for some of the tri type typings! When I was younger I thought I was 641. Yeah……no. Lol! 62X makes better sense when I sat down and thought about it. I never had a “I want to be loved” explicit fear. But, I realized I have a strong need of acceptance and to be included as who I am from others. Moving to 4 can help with that acceptance.
I am not a 1 for sure in the instinct triad. Either 8 or 9 but I am leaning on 9 possibly. I think more 692 like @MidnightWilderness suggested. I get along with 3’s too well to be a 682 I think. I am not that much of a champion in that regard. When I was younger, sure. Though…I am too “war” focused. In the sense, I like to make sure I have impenetrable forces and I will win dammit! But I will relate that to my type 6 main type.
Besides, 863 is my ideal tri type for a friend or a SO. And it matches up well with a 629. @Adam Strange is 863 and I think we get along well and I understand him enough despite being conflictors. At least, I understand the core fear aspects I think. Correct me if I am wrong.
Think of it like this. We all have different fears. We have fears in regards to the head, the heart, and the environment. Like all three triads. Your main type is your biggest fear and biggest motivator. Your tri-type adds to the other fears that are there but not as strong. Like, I am a Type 6 but, not all of my motivations will always explain my type 6-ness. While I am very comfortable with matters of the heart, I can struggle with type 2 stuff and have type 2 motivations in that regard. But, my strongest fear is to feel secure (6) but, my fear of never being lovable is still apparent (2) in some of my actions, views, and motivations. The tri-type makes up a more complete version of you.
You can also think of it like making a plate of food. For dinner, you need a carb, a veggie, and a protein. I pick mash potatoes, green beans, and chicken. While I enjoy all three and they make a complete and balanced meal, mashed potatoes are my favourite of the dish. That’s kinda tri-type in a real world sense I guess lol.
Also, im just going to post this for everyone if they are curious about more in-depth tri-types: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/33480491
Agree — rebellion, intensity, assertiveness
Disagree — volatile, impulsive, and age not affecting those traits
I think 8s anger is far too overblown in stereotypes. They make 8s sound like they need anger management therapy and can never actually show signs of improvement even if they go.
I'm speaking based on experience here partly, but I also think volatility is exaggerated. I think certain people sometimes see me as more emotionally volatile than I am. A little passion/speaking about something I feel strongly about or stand firm on, combined with blunt/forward/direct nature, is often interpreted as volatile. It's not. Frankly, I think sometimes people just overreact to someone who doesn't hold back and is bold, and they make it out to be more than what it is. Most of the time it's not real anger as much as it is merely a raw, visceral energy. Something more along the lines of vitality, willpower, and force. Anger is barely there, it just looks like that to others.
Bear in mind that Enneagram primarily talks about the unhealthy versions of the types. These are lower health level traits you're speaking about here.
Information should be organized. Not every single aspect of someone will align with their types. The most important part(s) in this system are the core fears and the defense mechanisms against said fears. Any deviations outside of that don't constitute as a mistype; just because some of the surface level outward manifestations of behaviors aren't there, doesn't mean the type isn't overall the best possible fit.
It is important to remember that what is driving the behaviors is what determines a person's type, not what behaviors are outwardly manifested.
Example: someone may be very original, but if they care nothing about that and simply naturally are that way anyway because they're very creative, that isn't related to type 4.
I have felt conflicted about my intensity during various times. On one hand, I'm like “if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.” On the other hand, it almost seems like I sometimes scare people away.
Anyone want to guess me as sp 6 vs 9
FYI I now type as core 1
The one who questions usually is an E6 but I really don't know about you at all.
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