INFj jobs/careers/occupations: what do EIIs do for a living?

[ann2430]

I'm only a freshman in college so I havent even stated my major but i've always wanted to become a therapist and thats what i'm leaning towards really working for. I think it would be the perfect job for me.

Do you mean like a counsellor? I have considered that before but I don't know if i could handle listening to people's problems all day. I think i would be good at it, but i would probably end being emotionally burdened with other people's problems. However I am not trying to discourage you, because supposedly that is a very good career for an INFj. I'm just saying that I don't know if it would be good for me personally.

[But in my dream of dreams.. I really would love to be an actress.]

Haha, i have heard that INFj's actually make good actresses :-) You should go for your dreams.

[ann2430]

I'm in Human Resource now.

What I like:
- A structured environment and clear directions.
- A supportive environment in which there is unconditional information exchange
- Flexibility and rules need not be followed too closely.
- Ability to make a positive difference in people's lives.
- Been appreciated for the good work you have done.
- Encouragement to pursue further studies in order to enhance career prospects.

What I dislike:
- Entertaining, making small talks and organizing social events.
- Not been able to finish my duties on time due to the overwhelming workload.
- Having to follow unnecessary procedures just because it is part of the policy.
- Conflicts and arguments.

What exactly do you do in human resource? Do you hire employees and things like that?

[ann2430]

My pastor is an INFj, and I believe the town psycologist is as well.

Psychology has always interested me, and anything related to religion is attractive as well but I would never be a pastor. That seems like kind of a difficult role for an INFj because it requires so much extroversion.

[Melix]

Do you mean like a counsellor? I have considered that before but I don't know if i could handle listening to people's problems all day. I think i would be good at it, but i would probably end being emotionally burdened with other people's problems. However I am not trying to discourage you, because supposedly that is a very good career for an INFj. I'm just saying that I don't know if it would be good for me personally.

Haha, i have heard that INFj's actually make good actresses :-) You should go for your dreams.

Yeah somewhere in or between counselor and psycologist.

I know what you mean, I wish I could.. but I'm trying to be practical I guess.

In small ways I am though, cause I take acting classes and i'm also in my colleges production of mary zimmermans "Journey to the west: the monkey king" [I play dragon queen]

[ann2430]

I know what you mean, I wish I could.. but I'm trying to be practical I guess.

In small ways I am though, cause I take acting classes and i'm also in my colleges production of mary zimmermans "Journey to the west: the monkey king" [I play dragon queen]

[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know what you mean. There are things I would love to do but unfortunately I probably wouldn't make enough money to support myself. It's neat that you are taking acting classes though! I can't really imagine having the desire to be an actress, because I don't like being the center of attention and I get stage fright haha.

[necrosebud]

bump

[Beautiful sky]

CEO
Medical doctor
Psychologist
Teacher
Veterinary technician

There’s a long list but generally where there are people

[Beautiful sky]

I'd say for careers probably use a careers test rather than a personality test. I feel that personality based careers suggestions are often more based on stereotypes than actual strengths and preferences.

I for one would hate many of the "classic" EII professions suggested here. I don't think I'd enjoy being a nurse or being around small children. Counselling interests me but the pay and work life balance isn't that great.

I work in finance. You wouldn't think EIIs would enjoy that but I do. Obviously there are very different jobs in finance but the one I'm in allows me to do deep research on interesting things and make decisions based on my analysis. It makes me feel quite good when I notice things others don't and I love being right lol. And who doesn't like being paid well? Bring a martyr isn't that fun.

I work in Finance too at the moment and I hate it lol

[Beautiful sky]

Haha, what aspects of it? I think I'm in a pretty unique corner of finance though, if I was in say investment banking I think it would be living hell for me!

More on the accounting and business management side

[Beautiful sky]

I know lots of EII in nursing medicine and they love their work

[Sol]

I'd say for careers probably use a careers test rather than a personality test.

It's possibly to match with other approaches.

Jung type shows in general forms regions of higher interests (valued functions) and of higher abbilities (strong functions).
Also it's possibly to choose regions which have much relation to valued weak functions, what may be useful for psyche state. Results may be lesser in weak regions and take more, but good enough compared to common levels.

> careers suggestions are often more based on stereotypes than actual strengths and preferences

Careers tests are based on more surface data, as do not take into account inborn predisposition of abbilities and interests.

> I for one would hate many of the "classic" EII professions suggested here.

If your type is not EII then it's more possibly.

> And who doesn't like being paid well?

It's more weighty for Se valued. Calculations for Ti valued. Forecasting for Ni valued.

[Beautiful sky]

It's possibly to match with other approaches.

Jung type shows in general forms regions of higher interests (valued functions) and of higher abbilities (strong functions).
Also it's possibly to choose regions which have much relation to valued weak functions, what may be useful for psyche state. Results may be lesser in weak regions and take more, but good enough compared to common levels.

> careers suggestions are often more based on stereotypes than actual strengths and preferences

Careers tests are based on more surface data, as do not take into account inborn predisposition of abbilities and interests.

> I for one would hate many of the "classic" EII professions suggested here.

If your type is not EII then it's more possibly.

> And who doesn't like being paid well?

It's more weighty for Se valued. And calculations for Ti valued.

I wish I understood what you said but do you mean to say she’s Se Ti?!?

The answer is no

[necrosebud]

I'd say for careers probably use a careers test rather than a personality test. I feel that personality based careers suggestions are often more based on stereotypes than actual strengths and preferences.

I for one would hate many of the "classic" EII professions suggested here. I don't think I'd enjoy being a nurse or being around small children. Counselling interests me but the pay and work life balance isn't that great.

I work in finance. You wouldn't think EIIs would enjoy that but I do. Obviously there are very different jobs in finance but the one I'm in allows me to do deep research on interesting things and make decisions based on my analysis. It makes me feel quite good when I notice things others don't and I love being right lol. And who doesn't like being paid well? Bring a martyr isn't that fun.

It seems to me a lot, if not most, of the posts are referring to actual professions of EIIs (they themselves, or someone they know)... instead of profession suggestions based on personality type

What do you do in finance?

[necrosebud]

in an ideal world I may have had a career that allowed me to be creative in one way or another, and to express myself, and easily support myself financially while doing so while things were blissfully meritocratic (with some other elements and/or chance because... it makes things interesting) and non-political

while allowing me to also enrich my knowledge of Psychology

And I might have lived a blissful life; regardless of success or failures I might have truly 'lived'

I did not follow such a path, because I don't know if it was ever an option for me.

[tardigrade]

It is starting to seem to me that any career path involves some level of disappointment and facing the harsh realities of the real world. Im in environmental protection/sciences NGO and u fortunately while helping in nature conservation is feeding my soul and is exciting, I get to constantly learn more and more interesting things about our natural world and live with a lot of people who share my vaues, it has proven that even NGOs are focused on money (they too have to survive). You also have to face a lot of ignorant people, people who dont care (business owners, government officials), people who just use the system of EU financial mechanism for their own benefit putting the actual environmental protection aspect as not a priority while benefitting from it themselves. These are realities I am trying to learn to deal with and accept because it is like that everywhere and in every field. And most one can do is use the system as a means to maybe do at least a little bit of good. And live with a clear conscience.
I do think the field of environmental Science/nature protection is EII friendly because it has a good purpose, is interesting, is where the study of nature meets society. You are often able to also work with people (teach), do some good. Depending on what profession you chose, it can also be Creative (territory planning for instance can be quite a creative endeavor).
I want to do either that in the future, or maybe to into science, or become a habitat specialist.
The pay is decent as environmental protection is quite a Focus now but you will probably not become a millionaire but I doubt an EII really wants to.

[Sol]

I do think the field of environmental Science/nature protection is EII friendly

It's too general. For F types may look interesting the theme associated with living beings, for some higher motivation.
While most important are your narrow duties. Calculation of resources, chemistry, physics, - technical region, which for F types is harder. To deal with people, where to influence on emotions is useful - there F types are better.
For example, calculations may be done not by human with F type, while F type may the one who talks to convince to take calculations more seriously. Or the one who visits places and makes checking/gathers data for parameters to fit requirements, what would not be hard from own thinking side, but needed to interact with people there.

> because it has a good purpose

Good purpose is interests of humanity. "Nature" should be cared to support long-time interests of humanity.
Sometimes "nature care" explanation is used for opposite task and for economy competition. An example of what is "bad global warming due to humanity activity" unscientific and full of falsifications theme. When crazy "green" activists block building of important productions, what leads to worse life of people.
The best way to care about nature is to develop technologies to more efficient. While by care is often understood alike "kill humans to save pandas" and antihumanistic ideas alike "there are too many people". When resources become low for existing technology and population, this means the need for better technologies to come - energy related, mainly. While reduction and restrictions accented approach is a way against interests of humanity, - restrictions are good only when not reduce production, but improve the technology.

To be a negotiater, popularizer for F type is good in "nature care" region. Technical researcher, cabinet technician - would be harder when that is main duty, as secondary - may fit.
Lesser of thinking and of manual work - this is common recommendations for NF. Is it best for psyche - questionable, just supposed to be easier.

> where the study of nature meets society

Sociology and health care from the side of ecology stats. Administrative/controlling occupations related to that.

> territory planning for instance can be quite a creative endeavor

buildings construction, territory design

> The pay is decent as environmental protection is quite a Focus now

now the focus is on a harm to humanity (most of it), for what are used ecology arguments too

[tardigrade]

It's too general. For F types may look interesting the theme associated with living beings, for some higher motivation.
While most important are your narrow duties. Calculation of resources, chemistry, physics, - technical region, which for F types is harder. To deal with people, where to influence on emotions is useful - there F types are better.

Sure, I agree that the narrow duties are what really make up your working life and therefor are what needs to be considered the most. That's why I always tell people to looka t their work experience and rather consider what they liked and disliked about the conditions - working alone, menially, with details, or working in a team, dynamic environment, communicating with other's daily, or doing technical things. Then what field you work in is secondary. But I don't think ''the field you work in is secondary'' has the same weight for every type. I have worked creative jobs where dealing with people is also important, but realizing how much the business models of the field depend on scamming other's made it rather a nightmare job that I quit more than a fun creative job.
In environmental protection the fields where calculations mostly have to be made are in consultation firms, government agencies dealing with pollution quotas, calculating emissions, influence on environment. Those are also fields that are very prone to corruption because businesses are ready to buy ''the right calculations'' to continue their dirty work and wouldn't be for an EII or most F types from a moral point of view either.

For example, calculations may be done not by human with F type, while F type may the one who talks to convince to take calculations more seriously. Or the one who visits places and makes checking/gathers data for parameters to fit requirements, what would not be hard from own thinking side, but needed to interact with people there.

It's not as interesting to an F type maybe. IDK about easy because maths isn't really that hard if you just pay attention to it for long enough and nowadays there are also plenty mathematical modeling systems used to do a lot of the work. I didn't pay attention to maths so it is hard for me but even when I ahd to do some for thesis for instance, most of the maths was just done with analytical programs.

> because it has a good purpose

Good purpose is interests of humanity. "Nature" should be cared to support long-time interests of humanity.
Sometimes "nature care" explanation is used for opposite task and for economy competition. An example of what is "bad global warming due to humanity activity" unscientific and full of falsifications theme. When crazy "green" activists block building of important productions, what leads to worse life of people.

Yes. Nature should be taken care of to support long term interests of society and that includes developing better technologies to continue the necessary production of goods. Most people who actually study it and don't just jump on the bandwagon of green policies understand that you cannot stall economy and ask society to give up their quality of life. We want to continue our advancements. We want to be able to get healthy when sick, which requires medical advancements. We want to be able to have the economy to support that. But you cannot do it not taking in consideration what the earth needs to be able to support that long-term. And too often we aren't considering that and are just continuing with what is comfortable and already in practice.

The best way to care about nature is to develop technologies to more efficient. While by care is often understood alike "kill humans to save pandas" and antihumanistic ideas alike "there are too many people". When resources become low for existing technology and population, this means the need for better technologies to come - energy related, mainly. While reduction and restrictions accented approach is a way against interests of humanity, - restrictions are good only when not reduce production, but improve the technology.

I don't agree that the only way to continue advancements and maintain the quality of life is to consume as much as we have so far (at least not physical objects that require resources to make). Economy can be based on other things too, on the sharing of things, on immaterial experiences, education, etc. But yes advancement of production technology and of recycling/reusing technology is the main.

To be a negotiater, popularizer for F type is good in "nature care" region. Technical researcher, cabinet technician - would be harder when that is main duty, as secondary - may fit.
Lesser of thinking and of manual work - this is common recommendations for NF. Is it best for psyche - questionable, just supposed to be easier.
> where the study of nature meets society
Sociology and health care from the side of ecology stats. Administrative/controlling occupations related to that.

Research requires a lot of curiosity, constant learning. It is not just technical. When i asked my professors what characteristics make up someone who could be fit to be a researcher, they mostly answered - like to read, write and learn (writing apaprently is something that a lot of researchers who go in because of technical reasons struggle with). The subgenres of ecology that fall under environmental science are exactly that - where nature meets society, for instance, agricultural ecology, urban ecology, etc. Those are all potentially very interesting subjects for an EII because agricultural, urban etc etc ecology is not just about nature meets people but its really about people and what they want + need, improving their relationship with the environment to better their quality of life. You don't want trees in cities just so the trees can exist, you want them in the cities so the people benefit from it too, mentally, emotionally, health wise. You want sustainable agricultural practices so that people are able to eat healthier foods, have the long term food safety that can withstand droughts, disease, etc.

> territory planning for instance can be quite a creative endeavor

buildings construction, territory design

When you are hired as a territory planner with the background of environmental science you aren't gonna work with building construction but with, for instance, park and green territory planning. Construction will be left to those with proper technical backgrounds. The stuff we are doing right now is designing a plan for a let down city forestpark area that has historically/cultural significance, is used by people from the surrounding buildings as a passive and active recreational area, has a river in a bad shape running through it, the forest areas are overgrown, the boreal habitats that used to be there are being overgown with maple trees, etc., due to eutrophication of the soils, so we have to think what to do with them considering both biodiversity aspects, safety aspects, recreational value aspects (people like clean, boreal forest areas for recreation but then they also love the red maple leaves in the fall), CO2 emission sequestration aspects. You have to consider the pathway cover and what to do with the children
's playground that is in the forest because them running around under the trees destroys the ground cover and leads to soil erosion threatening the longevity of the forest area. You also have to consider the protection of monumental (large and historical) trees in the cultural area because of the cultural significance AND the biodiversity significance they offer (my favorite part, I really enjoy studying the significance nature objects and elements have had building the culture here and how that can be used to improve our understanding and care for nature now).
You have to consider a lot of these things that influence peoples everyday life. None if it requires us to have any technical building skills because there is a team that does that stuff and you just work together.

[Not A Communist Shill]

Holland code preference is probably far more important than personality here.