IEI vs EII thought patterns

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

I conceptualize IEI, INFp as INFJ and EII as INFP.
The systems give specific ways the functions manifest not how they actually work which is more abstract and vague as the cognition

This is a really good video and I relate to both, of coures I disagree with him on some things but he is right while being wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJqwSHUdETA

He seems kinda wrong because I have seen other INFJs do INFP things as he says and INFPs being morally corrupt is actually Te not Fi thats why ESTJs are known as the morally right in the normie realm but INFPs are in the actual realm. "Victim mentality" is some bs that INFJs, ESTPs and ESTJ for example try to instill as a something that's real in an INFP. They punish someone for something they can't control that they pushed onto them and then punish them again for feeling bad/suffering as whiny victims. And a lot of INFPs suck that up and become "better". It is Fi vs Te genuinity (truth) vs being liked and do as everyone else (Te).

INFJs are not good at spotting bs by default and they hate not being liked by others too.

INFJs are stuck constantly trying to figure out everything's relation to everything in the present moment, trying to look past it, into it, into what is there but's not perceived by coscious state of mind. Abstraction to apply everywhre, relate everything to everything to see the pattern in it all continuously.

INFPs are segmented in multiple sequences that go in breadth a little bit and then converge what's relevant to relate it back to themselves each other while having awareness of what was previously thought. Cognitive leaps and stops. Same with LII as IEI is ILI.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-lik.../Abdalla-Gafar

[Rebelondeck]

IEIs are closed-loop thinkers and as the term implies, they normally seem to be trying to find some means of immediate closure on every thought process. They normally narrow down their focus to very specific items so that closure can be achieved - yes or no without conditions is preferred. They are tactical thinkers that seem to cope well in chaotic environments even though they take a lot of things too personally which can cloud their vision.

EIIs are open-loop thinkers that like to consider all the possibilities, especially consequences. A lot of their decisions have conditions attached to them - if that then this. Closure isn't nearly as much of an objective as is predictability - sometimes they put off making key decisions. They're strategic thinkers that need time and space in order to cope but they can usually rise above the fray and see very clearly.

a.k.a. I/O

[Beautiful sky]

IEIs are closed-loop thinkers and as the term implies, they normally seem to be trying to find some means of immediate closure on every thought process. They normally narrow down their focus to very specific items so that closure can be achieved - yes or no without conditions is preferred. They are tactical thinkers that seem to cope well in chaotic environments even though they take a lot of things too personally which can cloud their vision.

EIIs are open-loop thinkers that like to consider all the possibilities, especially consequences. A lot of their decisions have conditions attached to them - if that then this. Closure isn't nearly as much of an objective as is predictability - sometimes they put off making key decisions. They're strategic thinkers that need time and space in order to cope but they can usually rise above the fray and see very clearly.

a.k.a. I/O

Yup

I consider all the possibilities when someone is speaking and usually conclude after asking a ton of directed questions but I also seek action as Te valuing implies

[Rebelondeck]

...... I also seek action as Te valuing implies

I'm quite sure that you do quite well without resorting to "grand-inquisitor and overlord" personas although they may have surfaced on rare occasions.

a.k.a. I/O

[Beautiful sky]

IEIs are closed-loop thinkers and as the term implies, they normally seem to be trying to find some means of immediate closure on every thought process. They normally narrow down their focus to very specific items so that closure can be achieved - yes or no without conditions is preferred. They are tactical thinkers that seem to cope well in chaotic environments even though they take a lot of things too personally which can cloud their vision.

EIIs are open-loop thinkers that like to consider all the possibilities, especially consequences. A lot of their decisions have conditions attached to them - if that then this. Closure isn't nearly as much of an objective as is predictability - sometimes they put off making key decisions. They're strategic thinkers that need time and space in order to cope but they can usually rise above the fray and see very clearly.

a.k.a. I/O

Do you think that Michelle here is IEI and the black woman conducting the interviews is EII?

https://youtu.be/5ZwgTv9w1aE

[Rebelondeck]

Do you think that Michelle here is IEI and the black woman conducting the interviews is EII?

https://youtu.be/5ZwgTv9w1aE

I wouldn't attempt a guess because I've been often fooled by public personas. I'm never sure whether or not they're playing to an audience or the camera, or on this site, being truthful - even to themselves. I do OK when I interact one-on-one in person with the individual.

a.k.a. I/O

[Beautiful sky]

I wouldn't attempt a guess because I've been often fooled by public personas. I'm never sure whether or not they're playing to an audience or the camera, or on this site, being truthful - even to themselves. I do OK when I interact one-on-one in person with the individual.

a.k.a. I/O

You should watch that video. Not sure if qualifies as a public persona

[Braingel]

Do you think that Michelle here is IEI and the black woman conducting the interviews is EII?

https://youtu.be/5ZwgTv9w1aE

I feel sorry for Michelle Conrad. What she did is in no way right, but she was on antidepressants and clearly did have her own issue. She as well had eating disorder. If she was suicidal her own self, she probably saw it as not bad trying instruct someone to take their own life.. Then why did she not take her own life either, we will not know, but she is scapegoated for more here than should be. She is young too.. 20 at time of arrest, was 17 when committed act.

For her to treat her own body poorly, abuse and starve it and to have be on antidepressants shows she did not value being alive either, and she was acting from that and her own illness...

To have to put this in your body:


And when it increases morbid thoughts.. Apart of the villain here is the industry creating that and world in first places making one depressed and feel need to take life.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Do you think that Michelle here is IEI and the black woman conducting the interviews is EII?
@braingel

https://youtu.be/5ZwgTv9w1aE

Michelle is SLE or LIE lol. She just told him to do it because she wanted to get things done + a lil bit of impulsive morbid curiosity/compulsion and sadism. Since she is about Se or Te and he doesn't want to live for so long she just thinking he is wasting his time and suffering for no reason. He was looking for the greenlight from her from what she understood, years on end of the same as proof to her he wants to do it. It's stupid/inefficient to cause meaningless suffering. Poor feeling and introverted cognitive functions resulting in being very overwhelmed by the stiuation due to being incapable of self reflection. She gave him what he asked of her by validating his feelings, goals, intentions at the same time she wanted him gone because she couldn't handle the stress from constantly worrying what she should do about him or if she is doing the wrong thing by letting himself be attached to life through her when he is so miserable, making her like a cause of his misery. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

About ENTJs

• Efficient organizers focused on strategic optimization
  
• Strongly linked to the Compulsive personality
  
• Somewhat linked to the Sadistic personality
  
• Repress their Introverted Feeling function, meaning they sometimes forget what is important to them
  
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  About ESTPs
  
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  • Entrepreneurial smooth operators
    
  • Strongly linked to the Antisocial personality
    
  • Somewhat linked to the Narcissistic and Hypomanic personalities
    
  • Repress their Introverted Intuition function, meaning they may overestimate the scope of their proposed solutions

[AWellArmedCat]

IEIs are closed-loop thinkers and as the term implies, they normally seem to be trying to find some means of immediate closure on every thought process. They normally narrow down their focus to very specific items so that closure can be achieved - yes or no without conditions is preferred. They are tactical thinkers that seem to cope well in chaotic environments even though they take a lot of things too personally which can cloud their vision.

EIIs are open-loop thinkers that like to consider all the possibilities, especially consequences. A lot of their decisions have conditions attached to them - if that then this. Closure isn't nearly as much of an objective as is predictability - sometimes they put off making key decisions. They're strategic thinkers that need time and space in order to cope but they can usually rise above the fray and see very clearly.

a.k.a. I/O

Can confirm. I just got back from spending a three day weekend with my EII friend, and this describes our thinking styles perfectly. He tangents off in many directions and I find myself always being the one trying to tie up the loose threads of conversation.
@bryanbone Another interesting thing is that our interests are incredibly similar but we seem to be interested in the same things for wildly different reasons and get very different sorts of enjoyment out of them. We're both metalheads and like the same bands, but he seems to prefer to view the music in the context of who created it and how (he learns about the stories behind the songwriting, what was happening in the creators' lives, and prefers to listen to an entire album at once), as apposed to how I don't care so much who made the songs or how but am rather trying to compile songs from various artists/genres of a similar energy together and listen to them that way. Other than a handful of specific artists, I don't spend much time caring about the band members' lives outside of the performance, and when enjoying music would honestly rather forget that the song has creators completely. Not that I don't care about them as human beings or whatever, but when I listen to music the creators are just vessels to me. I think I view the creation as separate from them to some extent. At least while I am actively enjoying it I do.

Example of us talking about the same songs:
Me: "Ah dude, this next riff builds so much tension. It's so fucking sick."
Him: "It is. (Guitarist's name) said (other guitarist) was a huge inspiration to him. He even met him when he was a kid and went to a concert with his uncle."
Me: "Oh, really? That's cool. Hey, check out the next track I've got cued. This guy's screams hit so hard."
Him: "I love (vocalist's name)! He's such a sweet guy in interviews too."
~
I'll make some comment about a physical aspect of the song (the screams being blood-curdling, the drums feeling like they're gonna beat your chest in, the riff at this one feeling almost vertigo inducing, etc.), then he'll mention something about the creators almost every time. He seems to derive a lot of enjoyment from understanding that human element behind the song's creation, while I'm a bit more monkey-brained and just like that the drums go brrrrrrrrr. Music's a drug for me, and I just need it to get me high. Sure the chemistry is definitely interesting and I love hearing about it, but the interesting chemistry isn't the reason I'm taking it.

I suspect this has something to do with him being an Fi-base type while I'm Fi-demonstrative (and Se-suggestive as well of course). I'm not so sure as to the mechanism behind our preferences, but the different ways we enjoy the same things are very obvious to both of us lol

[Braingel]

I’m 75% likely a Socionics IEI, EII is a 25% shot, and my turbid psychopathology obfuscates things from clear seeing.. But I don’t think Socionics types conflate with the typically seen types, because of how quadras define and their positions. They may be looking at same thing, but they drastically, I mean drastically, change on their definitions. Mostly with Fe and Se.

Se is not affiliated with force in MBTI, whereas it is in Socionics, for instance.

[LukaDoncic]

I’m 75% likely a Socionics IEI, EII is a 25% shot, and my turbid psychopathology obfuscates things from clear seeing.. But I don’t think Socionics types conflate with the typically seen types, because of how quadras define and their positions. They may be looking at same thing, but they drastically, I mean drastically, change on their definitions. Mostly with Fe and Se.

Se is not affiliated with force in MBTI, whereas it is in Socionics, for instance.

75% sure on IEI? No, it's a 100% certainty that You're IEI. All of this uber mystical tapping into psychic roots and overthrowing natural outcomes with super accelerated thought patterns shows a mania overflowing psycho boosted rush of extreme deviation from norms and mundane laws. You flash fire super heated skyrockets of thought and will that are unparalleled. 100% certain on IEI for You!!

[Metaphor]

Mayhaps, Braingel'd like to emphasize whether there is another chance by probabilities that they could be another type.
But to be honest, it's not even that complicated, haha.

[Braingel]

If you go by MBTI, I cannot be an INFJ, because I am exact opposite of promoting harmony and focusing more on group needs than my own, and I am more past-focused, which an info in MBTI is, whereas INFJ in MBTI merely is future-focused more so. Of course everyone thinks of past, present and future, but the primary focus.

I do also though, think of future, but as far more gripped down by past and my traumas.

There also is no explanation for why I am good with Ne processes if MBTI INFJ, whereas in Socionics, it has do with Result/process and DCNH.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

I’m 75% likely a Socionics IEI, EII is a 25% shot, and my turbid psychopathology obfuscates things from clear seeing.. But I don’t think Socionics types conflate with the typically seen types, because of how quadras define and their positions. They may be looking at same thing, but they drastically, I mean drastically, change on their definitions. Mostly with Fe and Se.

Se is not affiliated with force in MBTI, whereas it is in Socionics, for instance.

If you go by MBTI, I cannot be an INFJ, because I am exact opposite of promoting harmony and focusing more on group needs than my own, and I am more past-focused, which an info in MBTI is, whereas INFJ in MBTI merely is future-focused more so. Of course everyone thinks of past, present and future, but the primary focus.

I do also though, think of future, but as far more gripped down by past and my traumas.

There also is no explanation for why I am good with Ne processes if MBTI INFJ, whereas in Socionics, it has do with Result/process and DCNH.

You seem more IEI IMO. I think you value Ti > Te.

[Braingel]

You seem more IEI IMO. I think you value Ti > Te.

I do think I’m IEI>EII, but if I got healthier it may make me a little Fe-Se like, so that’s why I’m not putting it completely off table that as I get mature in next few years and if gain health, it may change a bit..

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

If you go by MBTI, I cannot be an INFJ, because I am exact opposite of promoting harmony and focusing more on group needs than my own, and I am more past-focused, which an info in MBTI is, whereas INFJ in MBTI merely is future-focused more so. Of course everyone thinks of past, present and future, but the primary focus.

I do also though, think of future, but as far more gripped down by past and my traumas.

There also is no explanation for why I am good with Ne processes if MBTI INFJ, whereas in Socionics, it has do with Result/process and DCNH.

Increased cognitive processing + experience resulting in Ne mimicry.. I haven't seem enough of you but so far Ni sticks out while Ne doesn't make as much an impression. I may be Ne blind or something. INFJs often get tired of being doormats and put themselves above others very often due to superiority/victim complex + Fi not being so good like INFP's that INFPs see the multiple possibliites for how people act as possible dangers that they can't narrow down time resulting in extreme doubt and anxiety which is also why they don't overshare (Fe expressiveness) as it puts them in bad reputation where everyone's judging them and they can never be comfortable. INFPs don't get diagnosed as often as autistic as INFJs because INFPs are very contained. INFJs are more confrontrational to others too. They assert themselves more ruining the social harmony. They get considered obnoxious when they free up, for example talking too much about something no one cares about or being too loud. They also have different autistic triggers so some of them are aware when someone is talking too much and they don't do it themselves as much. INFPs don't seem to suffer from that.
While INFPs prefer to stay doormats as much as they can take it to avoid confrontation. INFJs burn out faster.
Being surrounded by people who don't appreciate you might give you the impression that you aren't good at social harmony but maybe you are just internalizing and mirroring their attitude towards yourself while being constantly burnt out. F types in general are better at social harmony. INFPs can tolerate others much better than most others. T types are harder to get along with due to the rigid nature of their cognition.
Your ideas to change society is harmony. Are you past focused or is your environment a Se totem that keeps you stuck there. INFPs thinking of the past is more sentimental.

[Braingel]

Increased cognitive processing + experience resulting in Ne mimicry.. I haven't seem enough of you but so far Ni sticks out while Ne doesn't make as much an impression. I may be Ne blind or something. INFJs often get tired of being doormats and put themselves above others very often due to superiority/victim complex + Fi not being so good like INFP's that INFPs see the multiple possibliites for how people act as possible dangers that they can't narrow down time resulting in extreme doubt and anxiety which is also why they don't overshare (Fe expressiveness) as it puts them in bad reputation where everyone's judging them and they can never be comfortable. INFPs don't get diagnosed as often as autistic as INFJs because INFPs are very contained. INFJs are more confrontrational to others too. They assert themselves more ruining the social harmony. They get considered obnoxious when they free up, for example talking too much about something no one cares about or being too loud. They also have different autistic triggers so some of them are aware when someone is talking too much and they don't do it themselves as much. INFPs don't seem to suffer from that.
While INFPs prefer to stay doormats as much as they can take it to avoid confrontation. INFJs burn out faster.
Being surrounded by people who don't appreciate you might give you the impression that you aren't good at social harmony but maybe you are just internalizing and mirroring their attitude towards yourself while being constantly burnt out. F types in general are better at social harmony. INFPs can tolerate others much better than most others. T types are harder to get along with due to the rigid nature of their cognition.
Your ideas to change society is harmony. Are you past focused or is your environment a Se totem that keeps you stuck there. INFPs thinking of the past is more sentimental.

When healthier, I used to see multiple possibility. One time a woman almost ran me over whilst I was walking and I thought about how she could have had a kid to get home to, how she could just have been having ADD, etc...

I think ill health has a lot do with my presentation, but I do fit the archetype of an MBTI INFP better at least than INFJ, but functions, it is kinda hard say..

Even tonight, I did not confront the guy I just went off on several occasions he has done this, and I just broke tonight.

[Exodus]

This is not socionics, use socionics sources

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

This is not socionics, use socionics sources

You don't think they overlap or you can't cross translate some patterns from the video into socionics models?

[Exodus]

You don't think they overlap or you can't cross translate some patterns from the video into socionics models?

Not to any significant degree

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Not to any significant degree

What should I do if I want to start a thread around functions where their interpretation is unrestricted to socionics?

[inaLim]

What should I do if I want to start a thread around functions where their interpretation is unrestricted to socionics?

Miscellaneous/Psychology

https://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php/56-Psychology

Or just start one here titled "Socionics and Other Interpretations of the Functions" or something. I doubt its a big deal

[Exodus]

What should I do if I want to start a thread around functions where their interpretation is unrestricted to socionics?

Discussion of other typologies goes in the Psychology subforum, I think.

edit: missed inaLim's post, disregard

[Metaphor]

Mayhaps, if you've learnt about the cognitive style, you'd find that:

- EII is rather coming up with clear, unifying, deterministic mechanisms underlying the personal and systematic types: functional positions, elements to fill the positions and all of the mutually consistent dichotomies built up from them (CD)

- IEI is rather noticing the emergent, fluctuating aspects of people and systems and trying out a variety of lifelike descriptions and ideas to characterize them: type descriptions, semantic descriptions, sensual patterns, experimental results, etc. (VS)

Vortical-Synergetic here, in this case, is rather randomized by fluctual patterns that remain involved into their thought, and if I remember it correctly, IEIs often described their thoughts are mucking like puddles that being shaken by the concepts that seem to be around them. Moreover, Casual-Determinist, in this case of EII, is rather flaccid by opportunities and ideas but seem to be rather structured and organized by boundary of cause and effect according to main preference of interpersonal relationship.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Mayhaps, if you've learnt about the cognitive style, you'd find that:

- EII is rather coming up with clear, unifying, deterministic mechanisms underlying the personal and systematic types: functional positions, elements to fill the positions and all of the mutually consistent dichotomies built up from them (CD)

- IEI is rather noticing the emergent, fluctuating aspects of people and systems and trying out a variety of lifelike descriptions and ideas to characterize them: type descriptions, semantic descriptions, sensual patterns, experimental results, etc. (VS)

Vortical-Synergetic here, in this case, is rather randomized by fluctual patterns that remain involved into their thought, and if I remember it correctly, IEIs often described their thoughts are mucking like puddles that being shaken by the concepts that seem to be around them. Moreover, Casual-Determinist, in this case of EII, is rather flaccid by opportunities and ideas but seem to be rather structured and organized by boundary of cause and effect according to main preference of interpersonal relationship.

Carl Jung is IEI and he did both of what you describe. Leon Tsao from youtube type tips is EII and he did both too. And both connect both. It's always been like that it's why I couldn't figure out my type. ^ the way you have explained this is lacking in imagination and projection of cross relating ideas (Ne) + being unconsciously aware of it while noticing a behavior that contradicts it which makes you think about why that happens (Ni).

[Braingel]

Within the past year or so, I have been less tolerant, and even more so in past 6 months. But even with my parents.. I did not start reacting back to them for years and then I just reached my breaking point. I don't know.. I all along could really have been an INFJ in MBTI and just have been gripped by Si demon..

I have been told by an older INFJ on Slope System, Mendoka, that my Ne seems sort of nemesis to him, but he saw one instance and bases that upon.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

Within the past year or so, I have been less tolerant, and even more so in past 6 months. But even with my parents.. I did not start reacting back to them for years and then I just reached my breaking point. I don't know.. I all along could really have been an INFJ in MBTI and just have been gripped by Si demon..

I have been told by an older INFJ on Slope System, Mendoka, that my Ne seems sort of nemesis to him, but he saw one instance and bases that upon.

INFJ/INFp argue with each other like that too. They are each other's nemeiss. That's why I keep mocking them, like all NJs that they would end up destroyign each other if they had to be treated like they treated others. One INFJ being hypsensitive to something another INFJ needs to do to calm down resulting in clash and both thinking the other one should have more respect for boundaries. That's why they correlate with narcissism. It's true you seem more considerate and aware of variety of factors than most INFJs. Same reason I didn't think I was one either.
I was put off by another INFJ due to her being inconsiderate with a statement she made. Some years later in a situation she contradicted that statement to help someone, this time she was considerate. That's a very nice way to be hypocritical, something I also criticized them for, proving my own inconsideration, biased judgement and narcissism.

I'm also certain you could have transformed from one to the other. You could actually look more like an INFJ BECAUSE you are gripped by Si, resitrcting your Ne, which is also what triggered your transformation from Fi Ne that couldn't be satisfied to Ni Fe. INFPs need stability and avoid conflict which was taken away from you by forcing you to fight because your Ne has no options left to go.

[Braingel]

INFJ/INFp argue with each other like that too. They are each other's nemeiss. That's why I keep mocking them, like all NJs that they would end up destroyign each other if they had to be treated like they treated others. One INFJ being hypsensitive to something another INFJ needs to do to calm down resulting in clash and both thinking the other one should have more respect for boundaries. That's why they correlate with narcissism. It's true you seem more considerate and aware of variety of factors than most INFJs. Same reason I didn't think I was one either.
I was put off by another INFJ due to her being inconsiderate with a statement she made. Some years later in a situation she contradicted that statement to help someone, this time she was considerate. That's a very nice way to be hypocritical, something I also criticized them for, proving my own inconsideration, biased judgement and narcissism.

I'm also certain you could have transformed from one to the other. You could actually look more like an INFJ BECAUSE you are gripped by Si, resitrcting your Ne, which is also what triggered your transformation from Fi Ne that couldn't be satisfied to Ni Fe. INFPs need stability and avoid conflict which was taken away from you by forcing you to fight because your Ne has no options left to go.

It is very possible that I act INFJ now because as you said, I am gripped by Si.. I could be an INFP still, and just look a lot more INFJ-like because of my environment.. After my second sexual assault (Feb 29th, 2020), I changed a lot. I think I degraded much in my healthiness.

[Metaphor]

Carl Jung is IEI and he did both of what you describe. Leon Tsao from youtube type tips is EII and he did both too. And both connect both. It's always been like that it's why I couldn't figure out my type. ^ the way you have explained this is lacking in imagination and projection of cross relating ideas (Ne) + being unconsciously aware of it while noticing a behavior that contradicts it which makes you think about why that happens (Ni).

You explained the way how I think things thoroughly, impressive.
Otherwise, I wouldn't acclaim that Carl Jung was IEI since there are many versions of his sociotype according to some people - I personally think he was ILI instead. And in my opinion, apparently, despite they did both, there should be a main preference for both of them to rely on. For instance, if I were to talk about Jung's Liber Novus, it really is a bunch of Ni that was projected into his dreams regarding belief according to mysticism that he had held until JTI's invention which fits VS better. Although, I don't know or haven't heard of Leon Tsao either. If you wanted to figure your Socionics type, why don't you use the Model + IMEs instead?
Reinin Dichotomies is also helpful to an extent if you were to aware of your preference over cognitive according to viable functions.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

I don't care about models I make things out of my a*s like he said INFJ's just know in the video. Jung was IEI that's unquestionable. He was extremely critical of Te. ILIs are known as the least spiritual type, of course it doesn't mean they can't be, but Jung took that way too far. He was also Fe idealizing people and treating them in that engaging emotionally expressive manner instead of rigid forceful and matter of fact. You can see his manner of speech in interviews on youtube and you have ILI videos as examples too.
@CTzu

He was also cloesr to LII than ILI. LII was pointing out ILIs for narcissism, they told him he had no evidence (Te) and took his posts down. Again not everyone of them is like that, some were self aware and trying to improve themselves, but the majority obviously wasn't. When questioned about his validity, Jung was arguing that "proof" doesn't exist.

[Braingel]

The lockdown also had strong effect on my psyche, as it forced me to be around my family 24/7 with no escape...

Either way, though, I do not think I am a typical INFJ or INFP. I do not say this in a grandiose way, but I think I am quote un quote "unique" within sense I embody traits of both.

[Braingel]

All the crystals that have entered my life as well, have affected my psyche. it is very possible they have opened my third eye so much, Ni is at constant from me, superfluous.

I also very soon will be holding a moldavite, the starborne star from outer space, thanks to the INTP LII I had earlier mentioned, Vap.

[Metaphor]

I don't care about models I make things out of my a*s like he said INFJ's just know in the video. Jung was IEI that's unquestionable. He was extremely critical of Te. ILIs are known as the least spiritual type, of course it doesn't mean they can't be, but Jung took that way too far. He was also Fe idealizing people and treating them in that engaging emotionally expressive manner instead of rigid forceful and matter of fact. You can see his manner of speech in interviews on youtube and you have ILI videos as examples too. He was also closer to LII than ILI. LII was pointing out ILIs for narcissism, they told him he had no evidence (Te) and took his posts down. Again not everyone of them is like that, some were self aware and trying to improve themselves, but the majority obviously wasn't. When questioned about his validity, Jung was arguing that "proof" doesn't exist.

I agreed that LII is a better option for him, ILI is a close 2nd and hmmm fair, though I still didn't get IEI typing for him.

[persimmonism]

To me EIIs have always come across as not being discerning enough in their friendships. I also always feel like it's a matter of time before someone takes advantage of them. I don't know if that's actually true. My quadra complex is coming out.

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

To me EIIs have always come across as not being discerning enough in their friendships. I also always feel like it's a matter of time before someone takes advantage of them. I don't know if that's actually true. My quadra complex is coming out.

EII being non confrontational because people are spastic and inconsiderate, they will get criticized no matter what they say. They play a doormat becaus the alternative is to hurt someone else while exposing themselves to danger. EII's excuse themselves to run away "I need toilet". They are also less inclined towards aggression against the other side especially if it's someone they don't trust closely
IEI's manipulate so they seem non-discerning by playing into whatever narrative the person against them has assumed to not be regarded as a threat too. Or dodging questions/aggresesion with pushing attention somewhere else, which seems as if they don't comprehend they are being threatened or something. IEI's stay in the abuse because dodging interactions would be questioned. Thats the social contract IEI has to provide favors and politeness, which is being taken advantage of, while they also hold the other party responsible for reciprocating. It's mutual parasytysm played as superficailly as friendship. If they know how to set their borders, if they are more aware and manipulative they win the narcissistic contest, or stay even in it. That's how ENTj, INTp and ENFj work too. ENxj are more demanding and aggressive. INxp wants to keep their options open.

If something happens to INFx, EII is more likely to feel guilty about being too sensitive/reactive/aggressive in their feelings while IEI is more likely to be annoyed/disgusted at the other person. EII's can quesiton and mold their own feelings to be more appropriate (Te) while IEI is Ti justifying/rationalizing/backing them up.

[Braingel]

This song epitomizes my essence.

[Braingel]

I can see it happening.. With my family, I am not able to avert on Ne, because it only is one way, and then Si always pulls me away from my Ne...

[Braingel]

These years I already have been dormant from world, yet I must undergo a deeper slumber to regain my health so I can awaken to action well rested and seize well.

[Braingel]

Quora has so many mistyped sensors.. They guise as intuitive, because of intuitive bias.. I cannot think of many legitimate intuitives, though I know a few. They also will type people as sensor out of disdain for that user. Petty. An Ni dom named Gabryel had typed me ESFP because he detests me..

Andreas is a real intuitive, as is a user named Michelle.. But they mostly are ISFJ's, the pnes who type INFJ.. Si is of blatancy over Ni. Most probably also use 16p metric.