It seems to me that many 16types forum members considered Woke SJW as "Delta" and not "Beta." Meanwhile, the Facebook and Discord Socionics Community considered Woke SJW as a Beta ideology. I understand the arguments being put forth here as being "Delta". There are arguments that said that Woke SJW ideology are common in Delta countries (i.e. New Zealand, Scandinavia, and Canada) and thus considered normal. Some argued that SJW take the fun out of everything and make more things bland and non-offensive to anything, which many argued as Fi+Si. Others even argued that Woke SJW is progress that is mere Delta morality and ignorant of power structures.
An example of where the16types forum members considered "Woke SJW" as Delta and not Beta:
However, if you considered the values of Woke SJW, it is clearly Beta. The mostly likely type to be an Woke SJW is an Beta Rational, Core Prussian 6 Enneagram, 612/682 Tritype, and SO/SX or SX/SO. Just to know, I'm right-wing Southern populist and while these Woke SJW are my ideological enemies, I considered them to be Beta Quadra. An argument against the idea that "NZ, CAN, and Scandinavia are Delta, therefore SJW are Delta" is that Delta is the type of people who let ideological currents creep up quietly until it starts to affect their families, workplaces, and sanity. Delta just allowed it to happen. By the way, some forum members slightly mixed up MBTI with Socionics in which "I believe x strongly and I don't care about making you uncomfortable" as Fi but when applied to Socionics, that's just devalued Si as Si meant being comfortable.
Here's what I break down on the reasoning behind Woke SJW being Beta and not other Quadra (Delta):
Fe: Woke SJW ideology requires compelling rhetoric aimed at stirring the emotions.
Ti: Woke SJW requires disputes over the precise meanings and appropriate use of phrase. There is also an emphasis on categorization of social group identities.
Se: Woke SJW have an attention to power and direct campaigns. It is a perception on who have the power and who doesn't have the power. Besides, screaming in people's faces at restaurants and tearing statue downs is the manifestation of Fe+Se.
Ni: Woke SJW have a grand narratives and long-term visions for a perfect utopian society.
I do think Delta and Alpha could be Woke SJW but they are often unaware of the revolution and vision that Beta Woke SJW is trying to create. I also do think their enemies are also Beta. Far-right nationalists, dissident right-wingers, and religious fundamentalist are Betas. Similarly, in the American Right, Delta ST Midwesterners just allowed ideological currents from the Beta ST Southerners until it gets insane or affect their lives. Those with radical ideas on how to transform society is Beta. The biggest enemies of Beta are other Beta.
Gulenko did comment on how Beta is attempting to apply Delta values by force in America and how he thinks this is not how you create a Delta: https://socioniks.net/consultation/?...oKcF0hIo8C6wJM