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    How do you relate to Fe? Are you simply unaware of Fe "stuff" until someone makes you notice or are you hyperaware of it? How did you understand that your polr is Fe? The descriptions on the internet are very contradictory and not that helpful.

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    Their Fe is weak, (1D) conscious, unvalued.

    It's useful to consider Fi too to understand better how Fe works in this case.

    Their Fi is weak (yet slightly stronger than Fe, 2D), unconscious and valued.

    Fe polr is aware when other people are expressing emotions.
    Being their own Fe weak, they struggle to understand the subtleties of such emotional manifestations.
    They don't like such emotional manifestations, being unvalued, but they painfully perceive when they're taking place, yet they can't clearly understand them, and they realise how the fact they don't easily partecipate in it may be detrimental to their own convenience.

    Picture an immigrant who can't learn the language of his new country because he just sticks to communities of other immigrants because in his head it would be traumatic to just merge with the population of his new country. The person also has some objective difficulties in language learning, so at work he uses few useful sentences he learned, without even knowing the meaning of the single words. Of course this is an exaggerated metaphor, but it's effective to describe Fe polr's way of handling Fe (the polr handles Fe like the above mentioned immigrant handles the language).

    Plus, valuing Fi, yet not consciously understanding it quite clearly (they tend to be in denial regarding their own desire for at least some form of relational bond) they may get viscerally hurt by other people getting offended by their words or actions. Fe porl doesn't hurt people on purpose. By definition they don't value other people's emotional reactions, so they don't find pleasure in causing negative ones. But since their Fe is so bad, negative consequences may happen.

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    I add a brief description of Fe DS too so that you may have an easier time understanding the previous post, comparing it with this.

    Fe DS:

    Their Fe is weak (1D), valued and unconscious.
    Their Fi is weak (2D), unvalued and conscious.

    Being their Fi unvalued, they don't really care about forming bonds and watering them. Yet, they consciously try to act in accordance to a conceptualised Fi and as a rule are polite in such matters. They consciously do this because "it's fair" and they don't want to be rude without a reason. In reality there's a more visceral reason: their unconscious desire for Fe. Not being "fair" leads to getting negative Fe reactions which they unconsciously learned to avoid.

    All of this leads to some kind of paradox: a person who considers himself emotionless and not in need of other people (remember, there's consciously no need for relational bonds, and the desire for emotional exchanges is unconscious!) who actually needs at least some kind of emotional feedbacks in order to preserve his mental health. Such a person may in fact have extremely expressive moments when surrounded in positive environments, rich of laughter.
    Compare this to the Fe polr. The Fe polr has less exceptions in this matter, and will appear more emotionally stern in all kinds of emotional environments.

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    I seem to come across many SLIs.

    SLIs are generally not very expressive. They are generally not very interested in emotional expression.

    I know someone who is most likely an SLI. He could be INTj. He lacks the EJ temperament of an LSE (even though he frequently critiques on how people do not behave factually), and he lacks the Se valuation of an LSI or LIE.

    He does not like it when people are overly dramatic and/or inauthentic, especially at the expense of factual rationality. I also think that he does not value Se that much because he says that power-seeking can be irrational. He also isn't fond of when people push themselves too hard at the expense of health and/or comfort.
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    Fe polr is aware when other people are expressing emotions.Being their own Fe weak, they struggle to understand the subtleties of such emotional manifestations.
    They don't like such emotional manifestations, being unvalued, but they painfully perceive when they're taking place, yet they can't clearly understand them, and they realise how the fact they don't easily partecipate in it may be detrimental to their own convenience.
    Ok, so it's not like they are completely blind to it, they see what is happening but don't know how to partecipate.
    Such a person may in fact have extremely expressive moments when surrounded in positive environments, rich of laughter.
    Compare this to the Fe polr.
    It's interesting how "value" can change the look of a function.
    He does not like it when people are overly dramatic and/or inauthentic,
    I see, it's like "less is more" when it comes to emotions.

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    The SLI I know doesn't really like "campy" or humorous gay stories. He likes more serious, 'official' and 'heart-breaking' stories of gays being discriminated against like talking about that Alan Turing guy. But I mean he has a lot of empathy and compassion for the GLBT community it's just much more incredibly Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silei View Post
    Ok, so it's not like they are completely blind to it, they see what is happening but don't know how to partecipate.
    Yes.
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    A SLI I know are very bad at controlling the discussing atmosphere and he often says some inappropriate words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silei View Post
    Are you simply unaware of Fe "stuff" until someone makes you notice
    weak = lesser of thoughts and a motivation about this, worse abbility and skills to understand and to use
    nonvalued = neutral or negative perception of an activity there, lesser pleasant to deal with, quicker drains or supresses the psyche

    > How did you understand that your polr is Fe?

    indirectly, in common
    for example, it can be done by dichotomies, IR effects

    > The descriptions on the internet are very contradictory and not that helpful

    read books recommended there

    Quote Originally Posted by Silei View Post
    Ok, so it's not like they are completely blind to it, they see what is happening but don't know how to partecipate.
    weak region: worse perceive, worse use
    Jung type is generally about what is more or lesser (expressed, has a chance) to be in a behavior and in the mind, not about absolute.
    For example. You may to have good skill in weak region, but it's more rare happens as it's harder to achieve. You may personally like more the one with significantly worse IR due to other factors influencing on this, especially when you know him a little and do not make close friendship - but it's lesser common.
    Last edited by Sol; 05-19-2021 at 08:01 AM.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I also want to add that in my experience many Fe polr really APPEAR like they don't care about the social environment, and it SEEMS like they ain't even pretending they do.
    Fe DS tends to be gruff too, and people notice they ain't really merging naturally in the social context, but on average they tend to give a more communicative impression.

    SLI naturally has some truly savage moments that rival those of SLE. On such occasions, if it weren't for the obvious difference in energy levels, it would be hard to tell them apart just by a superficial impression.

    LSI in comparison tends to get perceived as being in true savage mode only when he intentionally intends to, for example when he analyzed a situation and jumped to the conclusion he has a reason to.

    SLI can come across as truly bear-like. I knew a SLI who was silent nearly all the time. When others were creating a positive atmosphere he stayed on the outside, and occasionally just said something that got perceived as harsh by most of the people, mostly comments about objects and events. He didn't act like that to get emotionally negative reactions and have fun with it. He really didn't care. He just acted according to his inner sense and logic, and never sugar-coated anything. If you payed attention to his actions, you could also notice he really loved his family in his own way.
    A Fe valuer like me couldn't stand such a person. He destroyed the atmosphere all the time. But Te valuers actually found his way of being endearing.

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    SLI can come across as truly bear-like. I knew a SLI who was silent nearly all the time.
    I see, well mine was a personal question since I'm wondering if I might have Fe polr or not. Overall I think SLI fits me, I can be very silent but being harsh? I don't think so and I don't think I'm perceived like that. Surely the fact that I'm won't join the fun if I don't want to may ruin the atmosphere, but I don't think I completely destroy it, since I know how words can impact others and I use them carefully (or maybe I'm just someone who was criticised so hard from that point of view that I learned to avoid this pain by being more careful). That's why I wondered if someone can be a Fe-polr but also aware of Fe stuff. I also wonder if enneagram plays a role in this, I'm a 9 so I don't know, maybe that smoothes the edges of a Fe polr.

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