The Most Preposterous Notion in Socionics

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I've thought about it, and the most preposterous premise in socionics is the whole notion of Fi choosing based on 'likes and dislikes.' That notion is just absolutely preposterous. I simply don't think there is any way to choose something unless you 'like it.' Quite simply, there is no difference between 'valuing' something and 'liking it.' This therefore undermines the whole idea of quadra values - as this assumes that certain types 'like Fe' or 'like Si' or 'don't like Se', etc.; all types therefore value what they value because of what they 'like' and what they 'dislike.' It therefore is stupid to assume that only certain types choose based on liking or disliking something as this is present throughout the whole theory.

Wouldn't you agree?

EDIT: Also assume that people who are Fi 'know what other people like.' If the person who created the theory is Fi-PoLR, then she didn't know this at all. But it is a theory entirely based around what people like and what they dislike. Then, if this was her weakest function, how could she surmise what people like (or don't) like? She doesn't know this at all, but the whole theory is based around it. That's another reason why the whole concept should be thrown into the garbage...

That is a oversimplification/ misunderstanding of what Fi is. Imo @Adam Strange will find this also useful.

Relations Ethics (R) — introverted ethics; function of the psyche forming modest and responsive behavior.

R — The intellectual and communicative aspect of R is manifested as veiled, hidden estimates. Arguing in R-form, this person is afraid to admit to himself that he prefers one object to another. In this state, a choice is made between two completely equivalent options in terms of logic. There is another strategy of R-thinking: a conscious choice of the opposite of what we really want. Thus, R-judgments are rational, or they have their own cause, even if it is hidden, but absolutely illogical.

At the social level, a person in the state of R is able to play the informal role of the harmonizer in the team. His actions are aimed at maintaining a warm and friendly psychological climate, smooth out acute angles, and reconcile people. A person performing an R-role does not appear as a judge or resolver of conflicting opposites, but as their conciliator. He can calm people down and relieve emotional tension. Personal commitment in this case, of course, does not disappear, but is carefully hidden.

Psychologically, the state of R is experienced as an inner attraction to someone or something as a deep affection. It is interesting that this condition is not emotional. There is no expression in it, but there is a long term dependence of the moral and ethical nature. The state of R is a guarantee of loyalty in a relationship. It is like the arrow of a compass, which, in any attempt to turn its body, returns to its native northern direction. Thanks to R, we perceive people, places and times as our own, native or as strangers, alien.

Physically, the state R is very difficult to identify precisely because in it the true relationship is hidden either for indifference or for the opposite. It can be detected by subtle discrepancies and minor disruptions in ordinary communication. His voice trembles slightly, his complexion changes, his eyelids flutter and take their usual position: all these are reliable signals of relationships. Indirectly manifested sympathies-antipathies, attraction to or repulsion from a person, accompanied by a slight inner excitement, physically indicate that you are observing the state of R.

IN ESI 1. Command Function -R — Relations Ethics
She easily sees how people open up in communication. She can’t be fooled with amiable friendliness. She critically assesses the behavior of others, but expresses her opinion only when she is very touched.

At first acquaintance, she sharply divides people into two categories: “her own” and “others.” “Others” seem to disappear to her, but to her relatives and friends, she is strongly attached and feels responsible for them. She is faithful to her inner ethical assessments of another person. It is very difficult to convince her of anything. She hardly makes compromises with strangers but she forgives a lot for “her” people. She freely manipulates psychological distance, moving away and then bringing people closer to herself, thus showing how she regards them.

IN EII 1. Command Function +R — Relations Ethics
Eli is good at distinguishing the relationships that develop between people. She knows who gets along with whom or who does not get along; however, others’ attitudes toward herself sometimes go undetected, and she may be excessively trustful. Honesty and decency in human relationships mean a lot to her; therefore, she doesn’t easily forgive treason and betrayal. She will break off relationships with people who have significantly let her down; however, she is able to forgive even her enemies if they sincerely repent. She is characterized by caution and softness in communication with those who are not close to her. Her humanism manifests itself in deeds as she avoids declarations and words. Eli is endowed with the gift of generosity. With everybody she supports an even, friendly relationship.

Example of Fi lead Maya Plisetskaya Gamma ESI:



Example of Fi lead Carl Rogers Delta EII: