Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
That's because most people in the MBTI community can't defined the functions that is consistent with Socionics and even Jung. Many self-identified / benchmarked ENTJ are Se base. Zhukov and Julius Caesar is often typed as an ENTJ in the MBTI community yet they are SLE and SEE respectively in Socionics.

They get Te and Se mixed up. Being forceful is considered Te in MBTI yet being forceful have more to do with external observation of who is big/small, weak/strong (Jungian and Socionics basic principles of Se) rather than being factual and efficient.
yea true true ... I only wanted to share this bc it provides some kind of data, at the very least