Hey Everybody, Looking to find my type

[Slacker]

ENFp then? I saw Delta but I didn't see that.

[Atrophy]

I think I must be a pretty crap ENFp though. Any compliment I give out is in the knudgery winkery format and often interpreted as incincire. Out of all the sixteen however, the ENFp does seem the most like me. Even the muscle tension fits the bill.

[Slacker]

ENFps judge ourselves pretty harshly I think. It's possible that you sound more sincere to others than it feels like to you.

Also, if you read some of the less positive ENFp posts around here, you'll see that there are those who judge us as being insincere. Look for posts by MySaviour. Oh wait, did he change his username to something else? Well, anyway, every type has some issues where types that don't mesh so well with it find fault.

[Joy]

hmmm

First of all, it's curious that she (or is it he? I thought he...) said that she doesn't want to fit the bill to be INTj.

Also, Atrophy (lol I knew that's why you used that screen name... sounds like something the INTj I know would do), check out these descriptions. If you ignore everything it says about the way the types look and read the rest of the descriptions, they're easier for some people to relate to.

I'm trying to find some common dichotomies between ENFps and INTjs to make sense of why Atrophy reminds me so much of the INTj I know... obviously, the depression has something to do with it. I think the Reasonable and Negative dichotomies (the two most obvious dichotomies in both Atrophy and the INTj I know) explain the things I noticed in common pretty well. And Atrophy does seem to be a bit long winded for an INTj. I remember thinking that Atrophy seems to be a static type, and now that I think about it a bit more, she does seem to be more of a Declarer than Asker.

Anyways, here's the INTj's myspace.

Atrophy, if you feel like a lot of reading, check this out to decide which of the dichotomies describes you best.

[oyburger]

I really don't think you're INTj, but ENFp does seem to work.

Also, I don't know if it's relevant, but you're 16 and a lot's going on at that age, not sure how that could affect your description, or how you don't relate to many of the types, but it could.

[Joy]

Yeah, being a teenager is very difficult because you're learning the difference between what you are and what you're supposed to be (ideally) and trying to figure out who you want to be in the future.

btw, I don't think you're INTj either (anymore). I just saw such a striking resemblence to the INTj in your style of whining (no offense!) that I had to mention it. Like I said though, the combination of the Reasonable and Negativist dichotomies explains that quite well.

[Expat]

Could somebody please tell me what the circles, triangles, squares and the big squares with a little square taken out of them mean? Also, what are the subtypes? What does PoLR mean?

First, just in case you haven't noticed, we discuss mainly Socionics here, not MBTI.

Those symbols represent the Socionic functions. You can see descriptions of them here: http://www.socionics.us/theory/information.shtml

And here: http://the16types.no-ip.info/functions.php

PoLR means Place of Least Resistance -- your weakest, or most helpless, function, the 4th function in Socionics.

http://the16types.no-ip.info/models.php

I've taken a look at the ENFP profile and I'll say what kind of goes with/goes against.

What does Success mean to an ENFP?

ENFPs are motivated in everything that they do by a desire to understand the world around them. They are constantly searching about. Mentally and physically, for input that will help them to better understand the Big Picture. They are open-minded to new people and new experiences; they’re eager for the opportunity to understand what the new people and experiences are all about. ENFPs use their understanding of the world to serve the agendas of their value systems. An ENFP’s value system often includes respect for the needs and desires of individual people over the needs of a social group. Their respect for the individual makes them dislike controlling others, and being controlled by others. ENFPs are passionate about their beliefs, whatever they may be. They often stubbornly adhere to their value system regardless of threats to its validity. They are more concerned with keeping true to what they believe than they are with expectations or demands from the social group that they function within. ENFPs dislike personal criticism, because it threatens their validity as an individual and the validity of their value system. ENFPs may internalize anger rather than express it; their respect for other individuals makes it difficult for them to hurt others. An ENFP’s feeling of success depends upon the availability of opportunities to grow their understanding of the world, upon feeling that they’re living true to their personal value system, and upon the condition of their closest relationships.

That's me in a nutshell. Completely fits the bill.

Ok, that is not a Socionics description but it's close enough to a Socionics ENFp.

Well the first set of bullet points is me basically. In the second set there is very little in common with me...

They will have the ability to follow through on projects they’ve begun.

This is a main concern of mine as my interests change quite rapidly as I find myself getting bored very often. My Coursework for school is usually in by the deadline though, it seems I'm always doing those kinds of things at the last moment however.

That is quite consistent with being a dominant.

They will be less gullible and malleable, and generally more able to discern between “good” and “bad”, rather than accepting everything without question.

I am very, very gullible and I do change alot in certain circumstances. But when I see something happening that shouldn't be happening to another human being, I can't help myself taking their side of things regardless of my situation.

That is a Delta attitude.

They may be highly artistic.

I'm alright on this one (if being artistic is in reference to music). I have generally advanced concepts on a musical level and my sight reading is almost on par with my actual practiced playing. I've been playing for eight years now. I have however never sat out to learn pretty much any musical theory, anything I pick up about scales and chordal intervals is what I've found out while goofing out with my mates on my guitar (secondary instrument). This is real laziness on my part, as I know music theory would really help to broaden my horizons as far as playing is concerned, I can just never bring myself to do it.

MBTI focuses too much on supposed type-related abilities.

They will have the ability to focus and concentrate deeply on tasks. This enhanced ability to think and process information internally will make them more capable on many levels.

Not so good, I'm prone to being distracted quite a lot by my freinds, it does frustrate me sometimes. I find myself wishing that the teacher would force us to move seats in class so I don't have to sit beside my freinds and always talk to them. It's basically the reason I'm not doing well in chemistry... Horrible Teacher + Bad Seating = Meltdown.

Consistent with being EP.

They will balance out their desire to meet new people and have new experiences with the desire to put their understanding to use in some way + They will find more meaning and purpose in their lives.

I can safely say that I blow goats at the last two, a) I'm always going out when I could be doing work b) I'm living a very purposeless life at the moment (I feel that anyway)

Same.

Potential Problem Areas

Most of the weaker characteristics found in ENFPs are due to their dominant Extraverted Intuition overshadowing the personality to the extent that they don’t apply judgement to anything. Or, they may use their primary judging function (Introverted Feeling) to support the agenda of Extraverted Intuition, i.e. to rationalize and support the idea of welcoming all experiences and accepting all individuals. In such cases, an ENFP may show some or all of the following weaknesses in varying degree:

· May be what many would call a “sucker”; vulnerable to schemers and con artists.
· May get themselves into dangerous situations because they’re too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgement to anything.
· May feel intense anger towards people who criticize them or try to control them. But will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester and simmer and become destructive.
· May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.
· May develop strong negative judgements that are difficult to unseed against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.
· May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.
· May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.
· May start projects but be unable to finish them.
· May be unable to stick to a career or job for any length of time.

Everything here applies in large quantities.

Also I find that the way when I compliment people I ridicule them slightly in the process ... as if to say ...

AG:"God I'm so ugly looking today"
M: "No your not, I'd pretty much guarantee that any guy in this room would shag you"
AG: "I really am ugly"
M: "Would you shut up woman, you're hot and that's that."

So, how do I fix me? How can I eradicate the negative points and start racking up some of the good things?

Just be aware of them and how others might perceive them -- but forget about "fixing" yourself.

You might also want to take a look at Socionics ENFp descriptions:

http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...pic.php?t=2870

http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...pic.php?t=5775

For instance.

[Smilingeyes]

Ah, sorry for missing the possibility of ENFp. Yes, that works. I misjudged the idea of your description of the semi-romantic ideal encounter. I thought initially that the idea was that your partner is someone who cares about you emotionally even at your worst moments, as in cares about you, more than is a person who is able to take care of you even when you end up in trouble. ENFp seems like a pretty good fit.

[Eidos]

I think you shouldn't obsess about your type at your age because personality tends to fluctuate readily at adolescence. This is typically an identity crisis phase for most people.

[ILENTp]

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