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    The pain of being a SEI is as deep as the Mariana trench.

    I don't enjoy cooking, I rarely bother to clean, I hate shopping for clothes, I don't like to draw, I don't like to garden, I can't paint, and I don't bother with makeup at all.

    And yet I am a SEI.

    I would give almost anything to not have to be a SEI, I would die a 1,000 times just to have a mere scrap more of intuition. Just to be able to paint text with a brush of vagueness, to be able to write such beautiful poetry with lots of symbolism and metaphors, to imbue it with a deeper meaning, to change one person's mind, I would give away my arms and legs, I would give away my sight for that.

    I could stand here and chose a life of illusions and mirages and blind myself to reality, denying all who call me a sensor, and wearing a mask of chiffon. But I would achieve no higher position in life than that of a Jester. Or worse, to become a mime and shrink into the shadows, giving myself no higher purpose in life, wasting away my precious time with trivial matters and dying cold and alone with no higher purpose.

    I must fight still against the bitter stinging wind that is life, fight against the barbed wire and roadblocks, fight all who oppose me with a fierce, unyielding steel soul. Use what little time I have on this Earth to give it something back, to make someone question and wonder, to give 110% out there.

    Just a minute ago I wanted to die... I did not want to be this type... I wanted instead to drown myself in tears, choke, and drown, and sink to the bottom to sleep... But I realized the universal fact that life is bittersweet, it gives you sh*t and it gives you honey, and that eventually you will have one moment of pure joy one day, of pure bliss so sweet that you will laugh at the demon that insists you cannot achieve what you want from life, that you will stay stuck in your ways forever and never blossom. You will spit in its face and fly above the constraints that other people push on you.

    You want to become the greatest poet of our day and age? Improve your logic? Do intellectual activities? Become intelligentsia? Start a mass rebellion? Block out every single one of the naysayers that says, "Oh but you aren't XXX type, you will never be the greatest at it", "you are SEI, you should only like sensory things", "You are a useless SEI", "I bet you only like baking cookies and sleeping like a cat ." Even though we SEIs do not like to argue we should! We should call them all out on their pigheadedness and destroy all these stereotypes about us! Then more people will start realizing they were SEIs all along, we will have a bigger online community, and can successfully dispel any myths that we are shallow and lazy and only care for sensory pleasures! We can band together and become a unstoppable force and start telling other SEIs that being a SEI doesn't disqualify you from success, that there is no need to despair because you were born a sensor, and that you do not have to live at the whims of an ILE.

    We can be successful and independent, we can have hopes and dreams, and goals, and through hard work and perseverance we can achieve them, even if we have to suffer and strain towards them. Indeed, living life as a type that struggles to realize their dreams and is seen as lazy is like having weights on your legs and and walking up a steep hill with dense trees whilst bratty schoolboys shoot spit wads in your hair, hiding in the trees. But we must remember that the hill ends, at the end of the hill there is a saw, then the weights can be sawed off, the schoolboys will drop their straws when they see that you have reached the end of the hill, with hard work and steel will, macheting off every branch that hits you in the face, and succeeded in realizing your dreams when they could not themselves.
    I give my love to all those who struggled with their typing and those who continue to struggle.
    SEIs of this forum unite and stand strong against the roaring tide of sensor hate and discrimination!!!

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    No I am being quite serious here about my feelings, but I can see why it would look dramatic and silly to an ILI. I just have some struggles with being SEI as everyone seems to expect that I have sensory superpowers. Also I don't know what alpha humor is anyway, but I guess it would be random due to the Ne.

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    Oh well I do not have that feeling as I genuinely picture myself writing all day only stopping to get up and get a sandwich sometimes. It's just kind of hard for me to get the ball rolling but once I do I will feel confident after achieving something. Edit: (And I have considered if it is just something I feel the need to do because of a silly ideal, but no I enjoy writing a lot and making up stories and characters in my head and imagining their world. It would be a shame not to put it on paper because maybe one person will want to read a story about a guy with low self esteem who feels alienated from the rest of the world and detached from it and feels like no one understands him but then discovers a portal in the forest which goes to a spaceship where he meets people like him, and they live on a spaceship and are rebelling against the evil bureaucracy/gangsters while trying to help the biorobots (basically people who are sent into very dangerous missions with little protection from the government without telling them what the job entails exactly until they are stuck in a bad contract) and now I have made this toooooo long

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Oh well I do not have that feeling as I genuinely picture myself writing all day only stopping to get up and get a sandwich sometimes. It's just kind of hard for me to get the ball rolling but once I do I will feel confident after achieving something. Edit: (And I have considered if it is just something I feel the need to do because of a silly ideal, but no I enjoy writing a lot and making up stories and characters in my head and imagining their world. It would be a shame not to put it on paper because maybe one person will want to read a story about a guy with low self esteem who feels alienated from the rest of the world and detached from it and feels like no one understands him but then discovers a portal in the forest which goes to a spaceship where he meets people like him, and they live on a spaceship and are rebelling against the evil bureaucracy/gangsters while trying to help the biorobots (basically people who are sent into very dangerous missions with little protection from the government without telling them what the job entails exactly until they are stuck in a bad contract) and now I have made this toooooo long
    This shows promise. I'd read that.

    I read a lot, and some of the most engaging authors are IEI or SEI. For example, Dating Dead Men was written by Harley Jane Wozak and I think she's an SEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I would give almost anything to not have to be a SEI, I would die a 1,000 times just to have a mere scrap more of intuition. Just to be able to paint text with a brush of vagueness, to be able to write such beautiful poetry with lots of symbolism and metaphors to struggle.
    Why though? It’s said in one of the type descriptions for one of the intuitive types that it’s ‘understading’ outwardly tends to sound cliched. Imagine that put in writing. To a healthy representative of a quadra, works too much permeated with a more distant understanding of another quadra should fail to scrap the real essence of meaningful experience in this world, so you shouldn’t even feel attracted to some type of intuition in writing (and ‘vagueness’ as a value in itself is just…well, bad art). It’s good that people enjoy self-expression but remember many times we’re grasping in the air for a synapse and art’s role is to dig holes and fill them up again.
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    Yes but it can be fun to determine the meaning of something in art... Besides I didn't have a very good emotional state when I wrote this and that's why it sounds silly. Basically my boyfriend and I had some arguments. Also I feel that art should have meaning and purpose to it... It feels shallow to just make it for entertainment.

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    But probably I don't need to be another type to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Yes but it can be fun to determine the meaning of something in art... Besides I didn't have a very good emotional state when I wrote this and that's why it sounds silly. Basically my boyfriend and I had some arguments. Also I feel that art should have meaning and purpose to it... It feels shallow to just make it for entertainment.
    You mean entertainment vs meaning. Who said anything against meaning? Please, read again.
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    Ah well sorry I am super dumb so I can't understand sometimes other peoples writings... I take it that I should just be myself and not to worry? Or if you could elaborate it would be nice.

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    I just got tired of my boyfriend trying to push me to be a housewife and stereotyping me and so forth and I didn't want to pour all my feelings onto him because I know he would have just thought it was so stupid so it was better to put all my cringy feelings into the void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I just got tired of my boyfriend trying to push me to be a housewife and stereotyping me and so forth and I didn't want to pour all my feelings onto him because I know he would have just thought it was so stupid so it was better to put all my cringy feelings into the void.
    Have you tried telling him what you want your life to look like instead? Does he listen & respect that? Is he open minded? Is this his ideal in general?

    Side note cuz I relate. My IEE friend basically makes it sound like his dream of the future is him working hard at his manager job while his girl stays home with a couple kids, some pets, & cleans. I told him I'm not sure on wanting kids for various reasons & I'd definitely want to work cuz I get bored too easily being home. I also said I'm a good cook & fairly neat in general, but I don't really like or don't like to consistently cook & clean. He said if his girl wants to work or not is up to her & he wants to be able to provide for her either way. We had been friends for a year & knowing what I want for myself, he still asked me out.

    I'd say, just lay it out straight to him. Maybe compromise cuz if I ever lived with someone & they worked 60 hours but I worked 40, on my days off is when I'd probably surprise them & tidy things up or whatever it is that they'd appreciate & basically even out our work hours. Working days would be a different story though. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I just got tired of my boyfriend trying to push me to be a housewife and stereotyping me and so forth and I didn't want to pour all my feelings onto him because I know he would have just thought it was so stupid so it was better to put all my cringy feelings into the void.
    Gulenko is partly to blame for that (and his intentions are clear). As for your boyfriend, tell him you’ll do housework the day he brings in his first non-Si ego produced Million from the rat race. About the rest, I'm implying your youth shows, only that-I could never do otherwise since I'm likely SEI myself-
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    Ha my boyfriend is going to become a Computer programmer and actually make very good money off it and besides his plans are so solid I can't argue with them. Just I wish he could do the chores sometimes and then let me get a job or something so that it feels like we are a team and that we don't have strict roles.

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    But maybe if we meet in real life I will naturally become more of a caretaker, but at this point I am so unsure in my guesses that my head actually hurts... I just don't really like that he brings Socionics up all the time because you can't just use Socionics to justify love. (Also I think Socionics is kind of bulls**t no matter how many times my boyfriend tries to explain it because somethings just don't seem to line up) The problem is that I feel some kind of awkward distance between us, but my guess is that long distance relationships don't work well for Si types.

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    But also doesn't everyone find it mildly sad that they won't experience the world the same as another type out there and that those possibilities are forever closed off? I hope in heaven they give you the choice to change it just to see what it is like, or maybe we will reach a stage of all our cognitive functions being equal... And if it turns out that heaven doesn't exist then I guess there really isn't a meaning to life and that all of your actions are pointless and that in time we will all die anyways and that history will pass over us all and eventually our universe will stop expanding and collapse in on itself or maybe something else and that we are helpless to change the flow of time. If I could have a superpower to make time stop I would, so that I could experience most of everything before I die, so that I don't miss out on anything. It just bothers me to think that there are things I will never do and never know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    But also doesn't everyone find it mildly sad that they won't experience the world the same as another type out there and that those possibilities are forever closed off? I hope in heaven they give you the choice to change it just to see what it is like, or maybe we will reach a stage of all our cognitive functions being equal... And if it turns out that heaven doesn't exist then I guess there really isn't a meaning to life and that all of your actions are pointless and that in time we will all die anyways and that history will pass over us all and eventually our universe will stop expanding and collapse in on itself or maybe something else and that we are helpless to change the flow of time. If I could have a superpower to make time stop I would, so that I could experience most of everything before I die, so that I don't miss out on anything. It just bothers me to think that there are things I will never do and never know...
    SEI confirmed.



    For your mortality blues. (I still use it to self-flagellate from time to time):

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    Oh I have already music for my mortality blues but I try not to focus on this too much as it will harm me. Best of all is just to be yourself, as I now just thought, no one can be like you. And try to make good use of your time and stop wallowing in self pity... If you do too much self-flagellation it will harm you and you will end up in a void of nothingness and emptiness. Just justify your actions in life with something already, develop a spirituality, and if you look back at all your mistakes you should say "Well it's bad that I made a mistake but at least I can learn from it and try not to do it again in the future". It's better to do self-reconstruction and see positives instead of negatives. At least I am not poor, at least I am not x, y, z. Better to stop thinking and start doing, then go back to thinking. If you can surround your self with positives and build a scaffold on which to live life, everything will be better.

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    Huh? You seem like a good writer from your post. Don’t worry, there are stereotypes of all the types. Read around, you will see. It’s not just sei who get stereotyped. It’s good to speak out though! Break down the stereotypes..If you’re not motivated, join a writing group or something. Also, do other things that make you feel happy too- help people, socialise, read etc. It might help you feel more energised and connected to your audience. Might help with writing, I dunno haha. Look up enneagram too. It doesn’t put you in a box so much as socionics.

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    I don't trust tests anymore because I know that I will answer wrong and misunderstand the questions and have some cognitive bias, but I scored a 99% match for a type four, I think I lean 4w5. And looking at the other types I don't believe I could be any other one. Not sure what it means if you put it in the context of socionics but I guess I will look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I don't trust tests anymore because I know that I will answer wrong and misunderstand the questions and have some cognitive bias, but I scored a 99% match for a type four, I think I lean 4w5. And looking at the other types I don't believe I could be any other one. Not sure what it means if you put it in the context of socionics but I guess I will look into it.
    I just see it as a different system. Figure out your instinct and your tritype. I get the feeling you could be a 4 but with 6 and 9 in your tritype though obviously I might be completely wrong haha. It’s known as the ‘seeker’ tritype and someone with many doubts. There are only really a couple of resources- Katherine Fauvre videos and one set of descriptions. I can share if you like. There is enough in the descriptions though, for me to recognise myself in it. For example, I’m 9 with 4 and 6. I see this tritype as being romantic, simple, poetic It may be yours too, but if you are lead e4 then you might be more creative

    Anyways, I liked your writing

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    People need to stop complimenting me and give me constructive criticism on my writing (though I will just go write to writers and wait for the juicy stinging criticism) but thank you

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    Well actually now that I think about it some types have flaws that would be quite bad. And about an ESE, usually the problem is that their intuition is quite weak since it is their worst function... Having it as a role function means I can kind of use it to avoid things but for example my boyfriends brother is ESE, he went into sports with no backup plan and got stuck being a soccer teacher for little kids after he got kicked off of the team because they found someone better than him. It's very sad sometimes if you get stuck in a bad situation and you can't see the future, a bit like being on a plane with autopilot where you don't know which direction to steer the plane. I can for example say: What if I don't make it in writing? Well no problem I will learn another language before I do that and get a degree in translation or language so that I won't be a bum. However such insight isn't totally useful in the case of me going to live with my boyfriend. In such case I will learn Russian and then try to learn general writing techniques to improve. If he dies then his family will take me in most likely. But being that my intuition is role I don't have superpowers when it comes to the future either. Being an EIE I can't say much about since I don't know a single one but I imagine most of the struggle is to take care of yourself and others since they have weak sensing... So it depends on what you would sacrifice. And as for people around you, that depends on how friendly of a EIE or ESE you are, you have different friends and therefore different struggles. Besides being ILI you can actually do practical matters quite well and manage to avoid bad future situations with varying success. We all have struggles and being ESE or EIE would not make life that much easier.

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    Tl;dr I'm battletyping you IEI

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    I keep getting IEI on all the tests even when I am being vague in answering Ni vs Si but my boyfriend is an ILE and he insists that I am a SEI however I don't trust his typings of anyone as I think he doesn't think too deeply on it. However he believes I have no intuition and he says I sound like a SEI and not at all like his IEI friend. However maybe he just doesn't want to let the idea of us not being duals enter his head as he loves me very much and doesn't want to give me up. I have spent the last few days trying to understand all the problems of why I don't seem to line up well with either type in some aspects.

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    But yes fight me if you want, I will do my best to explain why I can't be a IEI

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    But yes fight me if you want, I will do my best to explain why I can't be a IEI
    So many IEI females with ILE males.

    I read once what the attraction is, but I've forgotten it now.

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    I mean who doesn't like smart guys? Except females that feel secure about their logical understanding of the world I guess.

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    Yummy white logic and the Se is at least Role so that might explain why they go for ILEs... Compared to LIIs they can look more confident and less weak but I am just theorizing as I am most likely SEI myself.

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    I don’t think you are IEI btw. (It’s just an impression, I don’t really like to make assumptions :s) But definitely imaginative! Maybe high ni or something. I’m sure there are more than a few awesome famous SEI artists out there..Sometimes I think Leonard Cohen is? There is this great book called Stoner by author John Williams, reading that is like going into the mind of an SEI so he might be. I think the director of Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine) might be too Incredible movie

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    Ah well the art I tend to like doesn't really have many SEIs I don't think but I enjoy science fiction and post punk best of all. Well anything with some dark but light themes because I like that clash best of all, when things can feel bittersweet. I don't watch too many films but me and my boyfriend like gangster films and I like anything new and strange.

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    He just needs me to pay attention more to his physical needs and then he would stop complaining about it... He lives with a LIE for a dad and an IEE for a mom and a possible ILE for a sister so no sensing for him... He can get quite cranky if he doesn't get enough sensing in his life...

    Now the relationship is quite weird because I get the sense that he doesn't quite like me and now he brings up that he read an IEI with a good subtype is better than a SEI with a bad subtype...

    He believes in a subtype system called psychosofia and he got first will, second logic, third physics and fourth emotions and I got first will, second emotions, third logic, and fourth physics... However I think there are obvious flaws with this system as even then it states we should have 90% good relations and that is not quite the case. However there are two factors 1. Immaturity and 2. Long distance relationship where we have never met in real life... Now he says even with ESI he would be happy if he had God... (But if I said what about a LIE? he would panic ) I think that he respects me but there are some weird feelings still but you know he is just that attracted to me that he wants to keep it going and the only way I can see it being a total failure is if in real life I suck at doing the sensory things correctly... Otherwise he would let me do my writing and such stuff he just really really needs sensations. I think he's fed up with me talking about my goals and I am fed up with him over planning everything and changing his plans and that we simply must evolve out of talking about this and be more silly in our interactions and that I should be more caring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    He just needs me to pay attention more to his physical needs and then he would stop complaining about it... He lives with a LIE for a dad and an IEE for a mom and a possible ILE for a sister so no sensing for him... He can get quite cranky if he doesn't get enough sensing in his life...

    Now the relationship is quite weird because I get the sense that he doesn't quite like me and now he brings up that he read an IEI with a good subtype is better than a SEI with a bad subtype...

    He believes in a subtype system called psychosofia and he got first will, second logic, third physics and fourth emotions and I got first will, second emotions, third logic, and fourth physics... However I think there are obvious flaws with this system as even then it states we should have 90% good relations and that is not quite the case. However there are two factors 1. Immaturity and 2. Long distance relationship where we have never met in real life... Now he says even with ESI he would be happy if he had God... (But if I said what about a LIE? he would panic )

    I think that he respects me but there are some weird feelings still but you know he is just that attracted to me that he wants to keep it going and the only way I can see it being a total failure is if in real life I suck at doing the sensory things correctly... Otherwise he would let me do my writing and such stuff he just really really needs sensations. I think he's fed up with me talking about my goals and I am fed up with him over planning everything and changing his plans and that we simply must evolve out of talking about this and be more silly in our interactions and that I should be more caring...
    I have an IEE bookkeeper who married an ILE when they were very young and now she's divorcing him because "he never grew up" and she is looking for a guy who is mature (an SLI) and when she talks about her ILE husband she sounds a lot, a very dangerous lot, like what you said above in bolded text.

    Please read what you wrote. When I was trying to decide whether or not to end my marriage, I came to the conclusion that I could salvage it if I were willing to put up with her bullshit and simply never address the problems that she and I had, because there were no solutions to them.
    But that was me. Your mileage may vary. It may be that you guys can work everything out.

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    Well you guys are conflictors and so you will always feel that they are immature... His mother thinks the same thing too but honestly he's just brash and doesn't care too much for politics or anything. And there are worse ILEs out there because he went into a forum of them and said that they sounded like him at 13 and he started being a little glad that he was raised in a different quadra. Maturity is overrated if you can work out all the problems in your relationship healthily and are able to have a stable job.

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    Simply I am only unsure of being able to provide sensory things but the only way now to find out is to meet in real life and see how it goes and if it still doesn't feel right, jump on a plane and get out.

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    Oh boy never mind we broke up... I guess I refused physical things one too many times due to not being in the mood for it... Darn why do I always have to be dramatic and moody and spoil everything... Does anyone know if there are ILEs out there that can actually cook and clean for themselves sometimes and also not always changing their plans and not expect me to be affectionate 100% of the time? Or should I quit socionics and become a crazed maniac that lives by myself so that I don't feel the need to always question every single interaction between me and someone else in the terms of socionics? Because I don't feel like wasting time trying to find the perfect ILE out there... Better to just keep in mind what you want and let things happen naturally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Oh boy never mind we broke up... I guess I refused physical things one too many times due to not being in the mood for it... Darn why do I always have to be dramatic and moody and spoil everything... Does anyone know if there are ILEs out there that can actually cook and clean for themselves sometimes and also not always changing their plans and not expect me to be affectionate 100% of the time? Or should I quit socionics and become a crazed maniac that lives by myself so that I don't feel the need to always question every single interaction between me and someone else in the terms of socionics? Because I don't feel like wasting time trying to find the perfect ILE out there... Better to just keep in mind what you want and let things happen naturally...
    That situation changed fast. Almost as fast as an EIE changes their opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Oh boy never mind we broke up... I guess I refused physical things one too many times due to not being in the mood for it... Darn why do I always have to be dramatic and moody and spoil everything... Does anyone know if there are ILEs out there that can actually cook and clean for themselves sometimes and also not always changing their plans and not expect me to be affectionate 100% of the time? Or should I quit socionics and become a crazed maniac that lives by myself so that I don't feel the need to always question every single interaction between me and someone else in the terms of socionics? Because I don't feel like wasting time trying to find the perfect ILE out there... Better to just keep in mind what you want and let things happen naturally...
    Date around without a certain type in mind. I don't really buy the dual idea. I'm also not settled on a type, so idk what my dual would even be.. lol Irregardless just look for people you find interesting or look for traits you want. Maybe look for a guy that loves to cook? Maybe seek a guy that dreams of being a chef? Or just talk to many different types of guys & see what sticks. Someone might surprise you. My grandparents are a supervision relationship & married 50+ yrs so.. not that I'd want their relationship, but I guess it works for them.

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    Ok reading more of your replies, your bf seems to be killing your self esteem. I'd say try dating around some more. It's fine imo to have preferences, but he seems patronizing. & the fact that he knows socionics & brings it up in the ways he does to you, is different imo then people not into socionics where you might just have to clear up some misunderstandings with them. Typology seems like a tool he's using to make you into his little puppet almost. I say cut the strings. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Simply I am only unsure of being able to provide sensory things but the only way now to find out is to meet in real life and see how it goes and if it still doesn't feel right, jump on a plane and get out.
    I mean, I don't buy model A that states that SEI have Fe creative. If you're really Fe creative then I highly doubt you're SEI.

    What's your experience with ILE? Have you ever experienced duality?

    Btw, there was a guy who insisted I was SEI-Fe and I can see the Fe in me but I now self type as IEE, since I believe the only Fe creatives are IEE and SEE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I mean, I don't buy model A that states that SEI have Fe creative. If you're really Fe creative then I highly doubt you're SEI.

    What's your experience with ILE? Have you ever experienced duality?

    Btw, there was a guy who insisted I was SEI-Fe and I can see the Fe in me but I now self type as IEE, since I believe the only Fe creatives are IEE and SEE
    Hold up, I thought your second function was the creative one? Oh no did I get that wrong? I meant my second function was Fe...

    Yes I have an ILE boyfriend, though I can't really say what is duality, but I assume it's duality because I think I am SEI. I can't comment on my experience because it might be muddled with NTR things, I would have to get to know more ILEs to be able to really say what it is like.

    I am definitely not SEE or IEE, my Fi is very much hidden and I don't think in terms of new opportunities all the time or Se concreteness. I value Ti above Te.

    I just have less of a need for Ne than normal SEIs I guess and my Ti is terrible in comparison. At least that's how I feel. I suppose I should be ESE, but I am not extroverted, I still have role Ni, and my Te is quite bad.

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