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    Why are people grossed out by the farmer taking a dump on his vegetables, but not grossed out by cow fertilizer?

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    Biological aversion to human poop is stronger than aversion to cow poop?

    Human poop is very dangerous to put on or near vegetables grown for human consumption. There’s a reason we don’t use it as fertilizer.

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    Isn't cow/horse fertilizer stored for some time before put on the fields? It decomposes and can then be used. Cows taking a dump on vegetables would also be gross and dangerous.

    I've used horse fertilizer and it doesn't smell bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Human poop is very dangerous to put on or near vegetables grown for human consumption. There’s a reason we don’t use it as fertilizer.
    Wouldn't that be true for any kind of poop? Is human fertilizer somehow special?
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    It is like he pulls his vegetables out his own ass. We are not fine with that but we are fine when it comes to consuming products from animal intercourse. Cycle of life. You don't like it when it comes too close to you. BTW I find people who do artificial insemination a bit suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Wouldn't that be true for any kind of poop? Is human fertilizer somehow special?
    I used to compost. From my recollection, poop from herbivores is generally better for plants than poop from omnivores/carnivores, which has something to do with the chemical composition of the poop. And I don't know if it's the case for other non-herbivores, but I know human poop has a much higher risk of transmitting parasites and other diseases, at least to humans, than, say, cow poop. The time it takes to compost human poop safely is considered around 2-3 years IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I used to compost. From my recollection, poop from herbivores is generally better for plants than poop from omnivores/carnivores, which has something to do with the chemical composition of the poop. And I don't know if it's the case for other non-herbivores, but I know human poop has a much higher risk of transmitting parasites and other diseases, at least to humans, than, say, cow poop. The time it takes to compost human poop safely is considered around 2-3 years IIRC.
    ok, that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Why are people grossed out by the farmer taking a dump on his vegetables, but not grossed out by cow fertilizer?

    To answer your question:

    Human poop comes from the body and is seen as a waste product that we as civilized beings have to separate us from physically and psychologically. It's taboo in a way. Cow poop is seen as already being a part of the organic world and there is no taboo connected to it. There is less psychological need to separate us from cow poop.
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    One way to look at it is this: the vegetables are the farmer's private property and he should have the right to do whatever he wants; telling him "no" is Communism.
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    Why are people grossed out by eating man-flesh, but not by eating cow-flesh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    To answer your question:

    Human poop comes from the body and is seen as a waste product that we as civilized beings have to separate us from physically and psychologically. It's taboo in a way. Cow poop is seen as already being a part of the organic world and there is no taboo connected to it. There is less psychological need to separate us from cow poop.
    If we're talking about seeing the farmer taking a dump, then it really doesn't need to be a farmer, seeing people taking a dump is generally gross. If we're talking about the practice of using human dump instead then, uhh, idk, I'm currently not being grossed out by that. Since I'm not cognizant of the barrier that you are talking about here, does that mean I'm unhinged...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetpian1st View Post
    If we're talking about seeing the farmer taking a dump, then it really doesn't need to be a farmer, seeing people taking a dump is generally gross. If we're talking about the practice of using human dump instead then, uhh, idk, I'm currently not being grossed out by that. Since I'm not cognizant of the barrier that you are talking about here, does that mean I'm unhinged...?
    What about dog poop in the street vs human poop? Do they feel the same to you? To me human poop on the sidewalk feels much worse than dog poop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    What about dog poop in the street vs human poop? Do they feel the same to you? To me human poop on the sidewalk feels much worse than dog poop.
    Oh I see... Those are essentially the same problem huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Why are people grossed out by eating man-flesh, but not by eating cow-flesh?


    In japanese mythology gods shat in the fields to make em fertile.

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