Religion is Everything

[Grendel]

>God fucking hates figs

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The God can go fuck itself and leave me alone. I bow to no one. Only the weak need something to protect their pitiful soul...

I am the master of my fate.
I am the captain of my soul.

Quoth the demonically obsessed it not outright possessed. Again I assert you have a "god" even as you vociferously deny it. Sadly for you, it seems to be yourself. G.K. Chesterton had a great quote regarding that. About how Jones would be better off worshiping cats, crocodiles, the sun or moon, anything but himself. I'd suggest you follow that advice.

>God fucking hates figs

Actually, he loves all sinners. He hates their sins, but not them personally. I mean hell, Oz Fox, the lead guitarist for Stryper (a Christian Heavy Metal band that's actually pretty damn good) wore a "Jesus Loves Porn Stars" shirt to a recorded interview. He's not wrong to do so because he does indeed love porn stars. He just desires they'd stop being porn stars and instead become good wives or husbands. Or even priests and nuns if that be his will. Saint Augustine was one hell of a fornicator right before he wasn't after all.

[Tarnished]

Quoth the demonically obsessed it not outright possessed. Again I assert you have a "god" even as you vociferously deny it. Sadly for you, it seems to be yourself. G.K. Chesterton had a great quote regarding that. About how Jones would be better off worshiping cats, crocodiles, the sun or moon, anything but himself. I'd suggest you follow that advice.

I don't care if I have a "God" inside of me or not. I'm not interest in it so whether it does exist or not is not my concern. As a Te valuer, I love practical knowledge, what method has the highest chance of solving a technical problem. Understand something like God seem boring as fuck, I just need to understand myself instead.

God is irrelevant, even if it show its face right in front of me, unless it grant me some free wishes so I could make use of it.

[Eliza Thomason]

I don't care if I have a "God" inside of me or not. I'm not interest in it so whether it does exist or not is not my concern. As a Te valuer, I love practical knowledge, what method has the highest chance of solving a technical problem. Understand something like God seem boring as fuck, I just need to understand myself instead.

God is irrelevant, even if it show its face right in front of me, unless it grant me some free wishes so I could make use of it.

So, like, it's all about you.

My Dad used to say, "Do you think you live in a vacuum?" Because we kids of course thought life was all about us; the world revolved around us. Think of a world where everyone thinks this way. Pretty horrible. It is the unselfish people that make our world tolerable. In Hell none of those unselfish people will be there. No one to trash. Every single being there will be all about self and getting from/at others. Everyone trying to have power over and do violence to everyone else. All alike. All the time. For eternity. People will choose that for their eternity, having learned to hate goodness in life. Going down that path and choosing never to examine it and never leave it. To the point of desiring only that path and not wanting to choose another in the end when given that choice.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

So, like, it's all about you.

My Dad used to say, "Do you think you live in a vacuum?" Because we kids of course thought life was all about us; the world revolved around us. Think of a world where everyone thinks this way. Pretty horrible. It is the unselfish people that make our world tolerable. In Hell none of those unselfish people will be there. No one to trash. Every single being there will be all about self and getting from/at others. Everyone trying to have power over and do violence to everyone else. All alike. All the time. For eternity. People will choose that for their eternity, having learned to hate goodness in life. Going down that path and choosing never to examine it and never leave it. To the point of desiring only that path and not wanting to choose another in the end when given that choice.

Christianity is a slave cult devoted to a selfish being who is capable of preventing suffering but chooses not to.

[ashlesha]

Christianity is a slave cult devoted to a selfish being who is capable of preventing suffering but chooses not to.

I can't imagine where I'd be without the shit suffering has taught me. Obviously l don't wanna trivialize it, like the holocaust was bad, lol, but haven't you ever fucked up and learned some shit? I know I'm not gonna bring you to Jesus, lol, but have a little nuance ffs.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I can't imagine where I'd be without the shit suffering has taught me. Obviously l don't wanna trivialize it, like the holocaust was bad, lol, but haven't you ever fucked up and learned some shit? I know I'm not gonna bring you to Jesus, lol, but have a little nuance ffs.

Suffering is Good, Actually

If you think suffering is good, then to me, it is difficult to see how you could consider anything bad.

I don't think I could ever trust a person who thinks that suffering is good and who not only does not have their own self-preservation at heart but does not have the self-preservation of others at heart either.

I'd prefer to learn without suffering, personally.

[nanashi]

I don't care if I have a "God" inside of me or not. I'm not interest in it so whether it does exist or not is not my concern. As a Te valuer, I love practical knowledge, what method has the highest chance of solving a technical problem. Understand something like God seem boring as fuck, I just need to understand myself instead.

God is irrelevant, even if it show its face right in front of me, unless it grant me some free wishes so I could make use of it.

sounds like apatheism. No just and no loving goddess or god would be angry or torture you if you are an apatheist. it wouldn't make sense

[Tarnished]

sounds like apatheism. No just and no loving goddess or god would be angry or torture you if you are an apatheist. it wouldn't make sense

I'm not a believer, saying god and godess do not exist make no sense, because we have no proof to prove it. If you say gods do not exist, you are no different than those "believer".

As I said, I value practical knowledge, so I ll keep my doubt about everything. No knowledge is absolutely right, but still I can use some knowledge that have the highest chance that its right or closest to the truth, so I can make profit from it.

I don't mess with Gods because I don't like the idea worshiping them (like a pitiful slave), it's a personal taste.

[nanashi]

I'm not a believer, saying god and godess do not exist make no sense, because we have no proof to prove it. If you say gods does not exist, you are no different than those "believer".

As I said, I value practical knowledge, so I ll keep my doubt about everything. No knowledge is absolutely right, but still I can use some knowledge that have the highest chance that its right or closest to the truth, so I can make profit from it.

I don't mess with Gods because I don't like the idea worshiping them (like a pitiful slave), it's a personal taste.

yeah, apatheism sounds like a good fit for you...it's not atheism.

[SGF]

ok I'll be srs for a sec. Imo there is something to panpsychism. If ppl are familiar with Brahman in Hinduism, same idea. I think people have a deep need for religion and its not a good idea to take it away from them. People however do a lot of harm in the name of something else, often its religion. Christianity isn't as bad as ppl make it out to be. Case in point: atheist communists for example banned religion at the time and killed ppl for having faith. Same shit as killing in the name of a God. >) just need a good excuse.

Ha! I would say delta may have more believers than alpha. For alpha NTs, Gods are something to be analyze like a normal object...

Someone doesn't know about Ti and metaphysics.. oopsies..

[SGF]

I'm not a believer, saying god and godess do not exist make no sense, because we have no proof to prove it. If you say gods do not exist, you are no different than those "believer".

As I said, I value practical knowledge, so I ll keep my doubt about everything. No knowledge is absolutely right, but still I can use some knowledge that have the highest chance that its right or closest to the truth, so I can make profit from it.

I don't mess with Gods because I don't like the idea worshiping them (like a pitiful slave), it's a personal taste.

Te-Fi alert! We have gamma or delta intruders! GUARDS SEIZE THEM!

[Tarnished]

Te-Fi alert! We have gamma or delta intruders! GUARDS SEIZE THEM!

Ha! I would say delta may have more believers than alpha. For alpha NTs, Gods are something to be analyze like a normal object...

[Grendel]

He just desires they'd stop being porn stars and instead become good wives or husbands. Or even priests and nuns if that be his will. Saint Augustine was one hell of a fornicator right before he wasn't after all.

You want to encourage the corrupt stock to keep spreading their genes, rather than leaving them to self-destruct?

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You want to encourage the corrupt stock to keep spreading their genes, rather than leaving them to self-destruct?

In an ideal world the "corrupted stock" would repent and realize their ultimate role in God's plan. Again, I chose/see Saint Augustine as my Patron for many a darn good reason.

The man sinned, hard and unrepentantly, right up until he stopped doing that and repented. I mean listen to the arrogance of this mofo: "Lord give me chastity, but not yet" is his most famous quote. He sinned unrepentantly right up until he did not, became a monk, and survived the fall of Rome because the friggin' Vandals respected the kind of man/believer he became. Literal Vandals decided to not chuck rocks at, pillage, or firebomb what amounted to his private library/abode/village out of respect.

Parse that shit through your downright mistaken perception of Christ and those who follow him.

[Grendel]

In an ideal world the "corrupted stock" would repent and realize their ultimate role in God's plan. Again, I chose/see Saint Augustine as my Patron for many a darn good reason.

The man sinned, hard and unrepentantly, right up until he stopped. I mean listen to the arrogance of this mofo: "Lord give me chastity, but not yet" is his most famous quote. He sinned unrepentantly right up until he did not, became a monk, and survived the fall of Rome because the friggin' Vandals respected the kind of man/believer he became. Literal Vandals decided to not chuck rocks at, pillage, or firebomb what amounted to his private library/abode/village out of respect.

Parse that shit through your downright mistaken perception of Christ and those who follow him.

Yeah, ideal.

The most diseased subspecie of logic ever, it's optimism.

The requirement that faith be absolute completely disables the "But what if we're wrong?" voice that screams out in your head for a very good reason, and before you know it, generations have passed, over which adherence has dealt more and more damage to the world.


You know, I have a backup scenario for if it really does turn out your God is real. If he exists, then judging by the way I turned out, he obviously created me as a monster without a soul, or a demon or some shit, so my ass is going to hell no matter what, lol. In which case, I have nothing to be anxious about, since I have my whole life to prepare for the eternal agony of hell, and since nothing I do can prevent it, none of my choices matter. I don't have to worry - it's my destiny.

The less charitable reality for me is the one where he doesn't exist, because in that world, proper causality is in effect, our choices actually matter, and that demon of Choice gives us wrong-choices to agonize over. What if this crueller godless world really is the one we live in, huh? What if you don't actually have that bulwark of faith to back you up, and humanity really does have to deal with the consequences of that bad genetic practice? What then?

[SGF]

Yeah, ideal.

The most diseased subspecie of logic ever, it's optimism.

The requirement that faith be absolute completely disables the "But what if we're wrong?" voice that screams out in your head for a very good reason, and before you know it, generations have passed, over which adherence has dealt more and more damage to the world.


You know, I have a backup scenario for if it really does turn out your God is real. If he exists, then judging by the way I turned out, he obviously created me as a monster without a soul, or a demon or some shit, so my ass is going to hell no matter what, lol. In which case, I have nothing to be anxious about, since I have my whole life to prepare for the eternal agony of hell, and since nothing I do can prevent it, none of my choices matter. I don't have to worry - it's my destiny.

The less charitable reality for me is the one where he doesn't exist, because in that world, proper causality is in effect, our choices actually matter, and that demon of Choice gives us wrong-choices to agonize over. What if this crueller godless world really is the one we live in, huh? What if you don't actually have that bulwark of faith to back you up, and humanity really does have to deal with the consequences of that bad genetic practice? What then?

what are you talking about? We are obviously going to Valhalla to be surrounded by food, mead and busty thicc valkyrie wenches. That heroic death can't come soon enough.

I can’t believe in supernatural stuff, that circuitry just doesn’t seem to exist in my brain.

No thicc busty wenches or mead for you then!

[Northstar]

what are you talking about? We are obviously going to Valhalla to be surrounded by food, mead and busty thicc valkyrie wenches. That heroic death can't come soon enough.



No thicc busty wenches or mead for you then!

Haha, I would love for that to be true. I guess it's more like I believe it when I see it, otherwise such thoughts don't really occur to me because it's just not concrete.

[nanashi]

In an ideal world the "corrupted stock" would repent and realize their ultimate role in God's plan. Again, I chose/see Saint Augustine as my Patron for many a darn good reason.

The man sinned, hard and unrepentantly, right up until he stopped doing that and repented. I mean listen to the arrogance of this mofo: "Lord give me chastity, but not yet" is his most famous quote. He sinned unrepentantly right up until he did not, became a monk, and survived the fall of Rome because the friggin' Vandals respected the kind of man/believer he became. Literal Vandals decided to not chuck rocks at, pillage, or firebomb what amounted to his private library/abode/village out of respect.

Parse that shit through your downright mistaken perception of Christ and those who follow him.

you're still spreading hate of humanity while telling the humans you look down on that they are loved by an invisible being. You make any such deity appear to be as hatefilled as you are to us.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

In an ideal world the "corrupted stock" would repent and realize their ultimate role in God's plan. Again, I chose/see Saint Augustine as my Patron for many a darn good reason.

The man sinned, hard and unrepentantly, right up until he stopped doing that and repented. I mean listen to the arrogance of this mofo: "Lord give me chastity, but not yet" is his most famous quote. He sinned unrepentantly right up until he did not, became a monk, and survived the fall of Rome because the friggin' Vandals respected the kind of man/believer he became. Literal Vandals decided to not chuck rocks at, pillage, or firebomb what amounted to his private library/abode/village out of respect.

Parse that shit through your downright mistaken perception of Christ and those who follow him.

Why do people need to repent if they have been saved from their alleged sins?

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Why do people need to repent if they have been saved from their alleged sins?

I've pointed this all out before many, oh so many times. "God" is many things. He is peace, love, mercy, all that is good.

There is one other thing people like to forget because of what it implies despite all that. His all that and more, but he is also "Justice" incarnate. His infinite love and mercy allows us sinners to be saved, hell, he even sacrificed his own son so as to make superabundant recompense for all our sins into perpetuity.

That will not and does not change the fact that his infinite justice demands we not only repent, but repay our debt and then some. Hence why purgatory is a thing. Fortunately, because of Christ's sacrifice, we finite beings can in theory make out like bandits in regards to the repayment of said debt of sin. We need only truly repent if we but accept him as our lord and savior...

Note: Ardent Atheists are just a single rung below actual Christ Haters/Satanists in regards to a guarantee of damnation. To categorically deny the existence of God is to indulge in the sin of despair. That's a mortal sin BTW. For if you know God is real than you have no reason to despair no matter what happens...

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I've pointed this all out before many, oh so many times. "God" is many things. He is peace, love, mercy, all that is good.

There is one other thing people like to forget because of what it implies despite all that. His all that and more, but he is also "Justice" incarnate. His infinite love and mercy allows us sinners to be saved, hell, he even sacrificed his own son so as to make superabundant recompense for all our sins into perpetuity.

That will not and does not change the fact that his infinite justice demands we not only repent, but repay our debt and then some. Hence why purgatory is a thing. Fortunately, because of Christ's sacrifice, we finite beings can in theory make out like bandits in regards to the repayment of said debt of sin. We need only truly repent if we but accept him as our lord and savior...

Note: Ardent Atheists are just a single rung below actual Christ Haters/Satanists in regards to a guarantee of damnation. To categorically deny the existence of God is to indulge in the sin of despair. That's a mortal sin BTW. For if you know God is real than you have no reason to despair no matter what happens...

If God is "Justice" incarnate, why does he punish the innocent and fails to punish the guilty?

When I forgive someone, no one has to be killed. Why is God incapable of doing the same?

If someone hates me, I don't torture them. I'm sorry if you find my moral code troubling.