Attitudinal Psyche type system

[RBRS]

The "Enneagram Correlations" section of the AP site is confusing, too. Apparently my enneagram type is rare for any of the AP types I'm considering.....

It may be because they can sell you their thing better if they relate the theory to widely spread western typologies (Enneagram is commonly used for "subtyping" in the west, specially in MBTI communities). Take into account that all of which you can find in that page is evergreen content to attract you towards hiring their services (which is not wrong, its normal) so you might be better off taking what's logically plausible and separating these typologies.

[Aria]

It may be because they can sell you their thing better if they relate the theory to widely spread western typologies (Enneagram is commonly used for "subtyping" in the west, specially in MBTI communities). Take into account that all of which you can find in that page is evergreen content to attract you towards hiring their services (which is not wrong, its normal) so you might be better off taking what's logically plausible and separating these typologies.

I thought it seemed like a stretch to make the correlation, like what's the basis for doing that? Yeah, I can see there could be some strategy behind it, or he's just noticed patterns in his own typings, or both.

[Lolita]

I got my results! VLEF The Contender/ Socrates.


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Will is the most interesting part of all of this for me, and so I've been reading about it from HERE The first will isn't me, only one or two small aspects of it seem possible, but overall, no. They are quite dominant personalities it sounds like, with Napoleon being used as a frequent example.

The second however, I'm in the middle of reading it, and it's explaining so many of the things I've already mentioned in this thread. Being both stubborn and compliant, not caring about officialdom, rank or authority when gathering sources (or in general.) And even things I've said recently in political threads such as despising rule by tyrant and rule by mob but being very welcome to rule by law (if the law is just.) I'm not done reading about it yet, and may change my mind eventually, but so many things are hitting home.

Selected quotes from 2nd will description:

All is not lost =)

"What is permissible to Jupiter is not allowed by the bull," the ancient Romans said, thus formulating a hierarchical principle destructive to morality and law. However, they liked to repeat: "The law is harsh, but it is the law" - recognizing the existence of a different, protective, extra-hierarchical "noble" principle. Both of these principles have been fighting in the world for centuries, which of them will win - will show the future, the main thing, judging by the fact that morality and law still exist, the 2nd Will has not yet lost.

Giving up minor issues

In Dostoyevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov" Lisa asks Alesha Karamazov: "Will you obey me?" - "Yes!" - "In everything?" - "Almost in everything, but in the main - no. I'm not going to be the main one." It is similar," Abraham Lincoln lived and acted in Karamazovsky. Whitman wrote of him: "On the rare occasions when it came to something cardinal, decisive, he was unwaveringly firm, even stubborn, in general, when it came to something not too significant, was compliant, compliant, tolerant, extremely malleable."

Freedom, individual rights as highest value:

His and someone else's freedom, even in the struggle for freedom, for the "nobleman" is the most expensive. And he walks along the party-non-partisan line, many sympathetic, but with nothing merging.

Unfortunately worldwide I see this changing, quite quickly and dramatically unless we stop the encroachment as governments everywhere are seizing far too much power imo:

It is obvious that according to his political convictions the 2nd Will is a natural democrat, as opposed to the same 1st Will - a natural monarchist. The struggle between them is also predetermined from the century, but the picture of martial arts is clearer: so far clearly wins the 2nd Will. There is a growing number of countries governed by elected bodies that have prioritized individual rights over all other rights.

Yes indeed:

The ideal position for the 2nd Will is not to rule and not to obey at all - which rarely succeeds in our interdependent world, but is a secret dream of all "nobles".

Third will is fascinating, at least as described here. In this site Stalin is often used as an example, and in other places I've seen Trump typed as 3rd will. It seems like people with 3rd will both hate power, and crave it at the same time. (Sorry if I'm mischaracterizing) It's interesting to read about.

[The Reality Denialist]

Third will is fascinating, at least as described here. In this site Stalin is often used as an example, and in other places I've seen Trump typed as 3rd will. It seems like people with 3rd will both hate power, and crave it at the same time. (Sorry if I'm mischaracterizing) It's interesting to read about.

Maybe it makes life seem easier but then you only want to accept the parts you like. Ambivalence and when in power it may create extreme mayhem especially when mixed with mental problems such as paranoia. LII with 3L, Ben Vasserlan is extremely ambivalent about his L.

[Aria]

So maybe not the "loop," then. Being lazy generally isn't an issue for me, so chalk it up to more stress lately and the collective trauma of the pandemic.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think I'm 3V because as long as I can remember I have rebelled against control by creating new rules to protect my views [not necessarily for my own benefit] and I have usually deployed methods that used existing loopholes.

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Machine translations of each placement, and I pulled out a short summary quote from each:

FIRST
"The first is a hammer, equally suitable for destruction and creation. However, it is a hammer with all the conveniences and inconveniences arising from this circumstance, a blacksmith's hammer, not a jeweler's hammer. Products created by them, the subtlety of the finishes do not differ, they are rough, simple and focused more on reliability than on beauty."

FIRST FEATURE

The main feature of the First function is its ABUNDANCE. If we feel that nature has endowed us with something not just in affluence, but even with some busting, then it is safe to say that this is the First function. Whatever it is: 1st Emotion, 1st Will, 1st Logic, 1st Physics.

The first function is the strongest aspect of our nature, so at the first contact with other people, we quite unconsciously put it on the table as our trump card. For example, the owner of the 1st Physics, going to a meeting with a stranger, first (again I stress - quite unconsciously) will think about whether her cleavage is deep enough, and then about the content of the conversation, its role in it, etc.

The first function is our main weapon in conflicts: family, manufacturing or whatever.

In this regard, the most banal everyday truths are gaining an interesting new perspective. Let's say, it is considered that when a husband beats his wife, and the wife at the same time cries, then, then, the husband - the beast, and the wife - the sufferer. However, this is not the case. Just the husband 1st Physics, and his wife 1st Emotion and each of them uses in the conflict the strongest weapons. There are known cases of the same kind with reverse sexual sign. Or here's another example, in Plutarch's words, "Darius, Xerxes's father, said in praise to himself that in battles and in the face of danger he was only more intelligent," i.e. Darius had the 1st Logic.

In the very use of the First function as a weapon there would be no great sin (you have to fight something!), if, among other things, the First in these battles was not too cruel. And the first is merciless. The very effective nature of it does not tolerate compromise and requires an absolute victory in the struggle. 1st Physics beat the enemy if not to death, then to a complete blackout, the 1st Will achieves undivided power, absolute leadership, 1st Logic in the debates owns only one truth - its own and, proving it, does not stop until it defeats the opponent on all points, the 1st Emotion screams until it stuns and makes him silence.

The first is a hammer, equally suitable for destruction and creation. However, it is a hammer with all the conveniences and inconveniences arising from this circumstance, a hammer blacksmith, not a hammer jeweler. Products created by them, the subtlety of the finishes do not differ, they are rough, simple and focused more on reliability than on beauty.

The strongest side of his nature is usually given the status of a tool of supreme authenticity. Therefore, another angle of the First function - superiority in terms of the theory of cognition. On the gnos anyological basis, the First clearly divides humanity into four unequal parts: sensualists (1st Physics), voluntarists (1st Will), mystics (1st Emotion), rationalists (1st Logic).

The illusion of absolute authenticity obtained with the help of the First Knowledge, among other things, well explains such an amazing phenomenon for our enlightened age, as a mass fascination with magic, astrology and similar superstitions. Larchik opens simply: all this mass of believers in mysticism are emotional. Therefore, rationalists can continue to walk on the head, proving the ineptitude of superstitions. Useless. For the 1st Emotion, the black cat on the road will always be more reliable than all the arguments of reason.

The first function is the most important and most reliable tool for perceiving the world around him, through the prism of which a person always begins to analyze the picture before him. In this connection, a charming anecdote from a series of anecdotes about Rzhevsky's handrail is recalled: "The lieutenant and the lady walk along the pond in which the swans swim.

The lady (enthusiastically): "The lieutenant, would you like to be a swan?" Him: Cold water? No, forget it!"

I think the reader has already guessed what kind of person in this anecdote the first function. Of course, it was the 1st Emotion of the lady painted in emotional romantic tones the picture opening before her, while the 1st Physics lieutenant made the same picture exclusively physiological in perception.

Probably, over time, when both will use other funcia to analyze the environment, the positions of the heroes of the anecdote will converge: the lady will feel all the uncomfortableness of sitting in cold water, and the lieutenant will appreciate the beauty of the landscape. But at first their view of the world will certainly be excellent and certainly derived from the First functions.

The first function is precisely because of its redundancy is the main force that the person himself feels most clearly, hears in himself its mighty breath. For example, Mikhail Chekhov and Vakhtangov met once, and in the course of the conversation both of them, a great actor and a great director, "had to confess to each other that we are familiar with the sometimes incomprehensible force that arises in us. I (Chekhov) - while playing on stage, he (Vakhtangov) - in everyday life. This power gave me power over the audience, it gave me power over the people around him."

Chekhov and Vakhtangov did not give names to the forces that felt in themselves, but now, given the special nature of the First function, we can name them. Of course, Mikhail Chekhov had the 1st Emotion, and it was she who conditioned both the choice of the acting profession and the power that he had over the audience, the power of emotional dictatorship. Vakhtangov, on the other, had a mandatory 1st Will for the big director - a force that allows to keep in check actors and others in general.

Although a person usually snews, grooms and cherishes his first function, his, and especially the people around him, does not leave a feeling of some dysfunction and even ugliness of the First function. And there is this feeling of redundancy. As Shakespeare wrote:

“... Sweet honey

We're disgusted by the excess of sweetness,

It spoils appetite with excess."

So it is with the First Feature. It gives redundancy pathology, and that poisons the person the joy of admiring the most powerful side of his nature.

It seems strange, but even fundamental religious notions of that. that there is a God in his being and what is the immortality of man - is formed under the direct influence of the First function.

Everyone is religious, but each is religious in its own way. Even the 1st Logic is religious, but its faith has nothing to do with the mystical idolatry of the people's faith. The essence of religion of the 1st Logic is the absolutization of oneself - the mind.

1st Logic, in its usual manner, looking around and systemizing the world around. finds it so intelligently arranged, mathematically corrected, that soon comes to the conclusion that there is no higher Creator, the first and practically the only property of which is the Mind. From Anaxagora to Einstein, any holder of the 1st Logic, taking the trouble to ponder the problem of the original source of all things, willy-nilly comes to the self-portrait religion, in which the Deity, the creator and motor of the universe, is thought solely as the Mind (Nus - ancient Greek philosophy) and other attributes practically has.

In accordance with such theology, the idea of human immortality is transformed. Based on its scale of values, the 1st Logic only considers the mind worthy of eternity and accordingly this view simulates the picture of the afterlife. Designs like the "noosphere" theory of Charden-Vernadsky, according to which above the earth swirls a transparent shell, composed of ideal, cleared of all impurities, immortal human minds - a direct reflection of such modeling.

It remains to be added that the 1st Logic in its desire to absolutize itself is by no means alone. This is a property of the First feature in general:

1st Will sees in the Absolute an unconscious, blind willful beginning (Schopenhauer, Hartman, Kierkegaard, etc.), and eternity rewards only the human "spirit" will.

1st Physics professes outright idolatry, i.e. deified matter in all its forms, and immortality is quite carousing, like the early Christian concept of the coming Resurrection in the flesh.

1st Emotion identifies the Deity with the highest and brightest experience ("God is love" 1 Eo.4.8.) and only the "soul" that the heartfelt essence in itself leaves to live behind the coffin.

By old age the first function is made even redundant:1st Emotion becomes even more vociferous, 1st Will is more tyrannical, 1st Physics - cuddlier, 1st Logic - dogmatic. And this happens because the destruction of the individual, produced by the inexorable time, under old age force a person to be even more reliable to strengthen in himself what before served as his main help.

The first function is the support of personality, the foundation on which the bungalows of the human psyche oscillate by all winds. However, in this superpower and fortress of the First there is a hidden and dangerous flaw. It's not flexible. Therefore, the blows on the First are very painful and minor destruction of it, introduced by fast-flowing life (say, diseases and injuries for the 1st Physics), bring the person sometimes to madness and suicide.

And the nature of the human, apparently, realizes, more precisely, "recognizes" the dangerous lack of flexibility in the First function, because, despite the self-confidence of the First, she usually does not hurry in a dubious situation to put ourselves to the test, so that we do not mean by test: fight or debate.

Let's be completely sincere: The first function is our gift to ourselves. It is selfish, although the word "selfishness" is usually used only in relation to the 1st Physics. Therefore, if someone falls from the First, then, first, it always happens "from bounty", from the excess of the result obtained alone, and, secondly, not because of the inner need of the First, but under the pressure of the lower procession functions.

Concluding on this the story of the First function, it is necessary to recognize that selfishness, monologuery, vulnerability, cruelty and rudeness of the First make it even the most significant and brightest, but not the best side of human nature.

SECOND
"If the first function is best compared to a hammer, then the Second with the river. But besides strength, it has qualities unknown to the First: breadth, wealth, naturalness and flexibility. The source of all these virtues lies in the fact that the Second force is matched with process, i.e. it is a force charged with constant dialogue, constant interaction. Returning to the comparison between the First and the Second, we can say that if the First is our gift to ourselves, the Second is our gift to others. Therefore, the second function is the best side of the person."

SECOND FUNCTION

The second function is THE NORMA. And like any norm, it is difficult to describe. Unlikely a person will use more than two words talking about his health if it is normal: paints, epithets, images are only when there is a need to list sores. So with the Second function, it is poorly described, and how good health, it does not feel.

If the first function is best compared to a hammer, then the Second with the river. But besides strength, it has qualities unknown to the First: breadth, wealth, naturalness and flexibility. The source of all these virtues lies in the fact that the Second force is matched with process, i.e. it is a force charged with constant dialogue, constant interaction. Returning to the comparison between the First and the Second, we can say that if the First is our gift to ourselves, the Second is our gift to others. Therefore, the second function is the best side of the person.

However, procession is not a monopoly of the Second. The real monopoly, or the main sign of it, is action, immaculately adequate situations, without excess and without poverty, the standard of behavior. Recalls the story of one film director about an actress who had to shoot in one day in twenty takes, and each time the tears in her eyes were twirled just when it was necessary, and they were as much as necessary. Only the 2nd Emotion can act like this.

The second function is extremely rich in shades and has a huge range. In order not to go far, I will give an example of the same 2nd Emotion: one researcher calculated that Tolstoy described 85 shades of eye expression and 97 shades of smile. The ability to see and transmit such wealth is not just observational - it is a special psychological attitude of the individual.

Another feature of the Second function, due to the process: the completeness of its implementation is possible only if there is a partner, an audience. This property is difficult to see, but one woman with the 2nd Emotion admitted to me that, although life circumstances forced to do so, she - alone - even cried somehow not in the hunt.

The combination of strength and process of the Second Function gives it such an extraordinarily valuable quality as pity. Actually, pity is not monopoly ii, but one aspect of procession. The specificity of pity the Second lies precisely in the fact that she regrets from the point of view of strength, confidence and experience of the richly gifted side of human nature. Let's say there is nothing better for the sick, disabled, elderly, how to be under the care of the 2nd Physics. The relentlessness of her compassion, constant care, accuracy, speed and caution of movements are able to provide maximum comfort to any infirm person.

Another characteristic feature of the Second function - it is fearless. Moreover, a person experiences a kind of pleasure, putting it to the test often in questionable and even notoriously uncomfortable situations. And this behavior is easy to explain: the second is not only strong, but also plastic, so the blows on it do not hurt, but only give direction to its further improvement. So, one of my classmates, being the owner of the 2nd Physics, was not lazy to go to the other end of the city with the sole purpose - to fight. He often went without knowing whether he would beat him, whether he was. The case, of course, was not without bruises and cones, but the benefits became obvious over time: he eventually became a dashing pilot, colonel of the Air Force.

THIRD
"If we compress what Jung said and add a little from ourselves, we can say that the essence of the Third Function is this: it is a function that we consider to be vulnerable, flawed, underdeveloped, in need of constant strengthening, self-development and protection."

THIRD FEATURE

"We were all some party, but we failed," Jules Renard said with a longing, saying without realizing that he intuitively groped the Third Function in himself.

By its principles, the Third function is almost the same as the Second, it is also process. Even, so to speak, superprocession. However, in its external manifestations, the Third function is very different from the Second. The difference is due to the fact that the Third is not a force, but a weakness, our ulcer, a sore place of the human psyche.

In my opinion, the term "complex" introduced into the use of the School of Psychiatrists, which was used by the School of Psychiatrists, which made attempts to describe the Third Function, was not very successful. Much more precisely the term "dynamic trauma" used by the wonderful psychiatrist Charcot, one of the first to feel that the human psyche is characterized by some innate flaw.

Criticism of the term "complex", however, does not negate the important circumstance that there are a lot of exact features in the characterization of the Third function, which under the name of "complexes" gave Carl Gustav Jung....... experience shows that complexes always contain something like a conflict or at least are either the cause or the consequence. These are the so-called "sick dots" in French "betes noires", the British in this connection mention about "skeletons in the cupbord" (skeletons in the cupbord), which do not want to remember and even less want to be reminded of them by others, but which, often in the most unpleasant way, remind themselves. They always contain memories, desires, fears, responsibilities, necessity or thoughts from which it is impossible to get rid of, and therefore they constantly interfere and harm interfering in our conscious life.

Obviously, complexes are a kind of inferiority in the broadest sense, and I should immediately note that complex or possession of a complex does not necessarily mean inferiority. It only means that there is something incompatible, unsymmilated, perhaps even some obstacle, but it is also an incentive to great aspirations and therefore, it is likely, even a new opportunity for success. Consequently, complexes are in this sense a direct center or a hub point of mental life, without them it is impossible to do without, because otherwise mental activity would come to a fraught situation of stagnation. But they also mean the unfulfilled in the individual, an area where something cannot be overcome or overpowered; i.e. without a doubt, this is a weak point in any sense of the word.

This nature of the complex largely highlights the causes of its occurrence. Obviously, it manifests itself as a result of a collision of the requirement for adaptation and a special, unsuitable for this requirement of the property of the individual. So. complex becomes a diagnostically valuable symptom of individual disposition for us."

If we compress what Jung said and add a little from ourselves, we can say that the essence of the Third Function is this: it is a function that we consider to be vulnerable, flawed, underdeveloped, in need of constant strengthening, self-development and protection. Hence all the specific features of the Third Function.

The third is a doppelganger. As the entire order of functions is divided into Upper and Niz (as mentioned), so divided and split one Third function. The feeling of weakness is combined with a feeling of huge, but not realized potential. The third - chained Prometheus - titanium, which psychological chains make weak, defenseless, vulnerable.

Vulnerability, heightened sensitivity - the main signs of the Third function. Strikes on the Third are extremely painful, and the scars from them remain almost for life

As a rule, the period of complete defenselessness of the Third function and especially frequent blows on it falls on childhood. It is children who are often beaten, humiliated, insulted, scolded. And if in childhood the Third is not fenced, but, on the contrary, constantly hurt, then this circumstance to the extreme refines the already refined Third.

Fortunately, strikes on the Third Feature are extremely rare, as it has a heightened sense of danger to prevent an attack, and it is difficult to catch it by surprise. For example, a person with 3rd Physics is extremely dangerously perceives the outside world, and therefore he has injuries only in exceptional cases (of course the words "peace", "trauma" have purely physical meaning).

Waiting for a blow to the Third Function - the main nightmare: the 3rd Logic is afraid of accusations of incompetence, 3rd Physics - beating, 3rd Will - humiliation, 3rd Emotion - hysterics. However, this nightmare is rarely embodied, as the Third is prone to hyperbolization and usually greatly exaggerates the real danger. Returning to the comparison of the Third with the chained Prometheus, I will add that the defenselessness and vulnerability it is forced to see in each passing crow zevs eagle, sent to peck your liver.

However, life is life, and sometimes (continue the metaphor) the eagle really arrives. Here willy-nilly have to do something. There are three way out of a situation in which the threat of a strike on the Third is real: either the most thorough preparation in the run-up to the conflict, or the transfer of the fight to another level and function, or flight. As an illustration of this thesis, let's give the story of the strained relations between President Reagan and the press. With the 3rd Logic, Reagan reduced the number of press conferences to a minimum; when he could not turn away from them, he agreed to talk to journalists only after lengthy rehearsals. This is the first way out. Despite the preparation, the president still felt at the press conference not very comfortable and therefore often separated from questions with jokes, anecdotes, jokes and instructive stories, i.e. tried to translate communication from the frightening of his logical sphere into a painless emotional. This is the second way out. Finally, the escape: Being taken by surprise by journalists, Reagan simply pretended to be deaf.

The third, like no other function, is given to experience someone else's pain. To feel it even more acutely than it feels the object of empathy. Tolstoy, let's say, did not put the work of a scientist or a musician in a penny, but through the prism of his 3rd Physics could not look at every man working in the field without tears. Although the man himself did not necessarily experience the torments that Tolstoy attributed to him, and, in turn, he could look with compassion 3rd Logic at every reading person, etc., etc.

Pity, compassion - those properties that are related to the Third function with the Second. However, there is a feeling unknown to the Second, but constantly concomitant with the Third, is envy. It is identical to the feeling of the sick in relation to the healthy. It combines the desire to rise to the object of envy and at the same time humiliate it. Here I will continue to illustrate the story of the Third Feature with examples from the life of Tolstoy (3rd Physics). Here's how the director Lev Sulerzhitsky described a joint walk with Tolstoy in Moscow: "Tolstoy from a distance noticed two kirasir. Shining in the sun with the copper armor, ringing spurs, they went toe, as if both fused, their faces also shone with complacency of strength and youth.

Tolstoy began to denounce them: "What a majestic stupidity! Absolutely animals, which were trained with a stick..."

But when the Kirasirs approached him, he stopped and, seeing them off with an affectionate look, said with admiration, "What are beautiful! The Romans are ancient, well, Levushka? Silish, beauty, oh, my God. How good it is when a person is beautiful as well..."

I hope the reader drew attention to the polarity of the Fatov assessments, when it came to the layer of life, which Tolstoy himself with his 3rd Physics was vulnerable and which clearly in abundance (1st Physics) were endowed with counter kirasirs. It is typical of the Third Function.

"Fig leaf reaction" - so you can call the first reaction in a situation where the Third function collides with the same function, standing above.

Free, open, strong manifestation of what is hurt, annoying person, makes to look for some justification of his infirmity, actively deny the importance and effectiveness of this layer of life and behind this denial, as behind the shield, to hide a sense of own inferiority. This is how a fig leaf is born, with which a person usually goes all his life. The number of fig leaves corresponds to the number of Third functions: it is irony for the 3rd Emotion, skepticism for the 3rd Logic, bigotry for the 3rd Physics, ugliness and hypocrisy for the 3rd Will.

However, the concealment of its sram under a fig leaf is far from a guarantee of peace. Vice versa. The more active the denial, the more indiscoverable the secret desire to realize oneself in this vulnerable sphere of life. Here it is enough to remember that monk Kiev-Pechersky laurel (3rd Physics), who, escaping from prodigal passion, buried himself in the ground. Thus, the struggle with the procession of his own Third brings almost to self-exhaustion.

In this regard, it becomes clear why the Third Feature is not only rejected, but also passionately loved. It can be said that the Third Function is the main generator of love and the choice in marriage is more often determined by it. No wonder the great preacher of asceticism Tolstoy married a girl gifted with flesh in excess (1st Physics). And for the rest of her life she could not understand how the combination of monstrous sanctimonious "Kreutzer Sonata" with the mighty and relentless love fervor of her husband was explained. And that's what explains it: 3rd Physics - and that's it.

Marriage is not the only means by which a person tries to unwind and realize his third function. There are chemicals for this, say alcohol. It is for the sake of the Third we drink alcohol in companies. I would like to emphasize - it is in companies, because the origins of drunkenness are diverse. Alcohol, drunk in the company, has that miraculous property that allows you to forget about its flaw, freely and easily implement the Third function.

Hence the amazing metamorphosis that usually happens to drunks, metamorphoses similar to those that happened to a millionaire from the famous film Charlie Chaplin. Dry, low-key person (3rd Emotion) is made sensitive; Silent (3rd Logic) - chattering, misogynist (3rd Physics) - red tape, modest (3rd Will) - proud.

Scissors in the behavior of the Third function under the influence of alcohol acquire sometimes curious, if not tragicomic coloring. Here is a characteristic quote from the letter to the newspaper: "Yura was tall, strong, handsome, he constantly carried me in his arms. And everything would be fine. if it weren't for his weirdness. He. seemed afraid to fall in love, afraid of love. However, once he had a drink, as he began to say gentle words, violently kissed (I had no intimacy with anyone before marriage) and in these moments I just went crazy. I loved him so much that I was looking for an excuse to drink, as long as it was mine, only mine. In a sober state Jura was different, I did not know how to dissolve him, to make him loose." The next day the problem comes back with the addition of a headache.

Like the Second Function, the Third likes to put himself to the test. However, there are significant differences between the self-test of these two functions. First, the Third Function prefers to test itself in conditions that exclude direct combat. And secondly, it goes to the limit in these trials. For example, Tolstoy's sister told how he ran five miles behind the carriage at the age of 15, and when the carriage stopped, the young Tolstoy was breathing so much that his sister burst into tears. So only the Third, and in particular, the 3rd Physics can examine itself. Other Physicists would have behaved differently: the effective Physicists simply would not subject themselves to the tests (First by virtue of self-confidence, the Fourth in indifference), the 2nd Physics would run after the coach, but would run only until this competition is a pleasure.

The test described above is typical of the Third Function, and makes it so unaware of the Third Natural Limit of its capabilities. Our internal picture of the state of the Third Function is purely subjective. And to find out whether there is an "ulcer" on the Third or it only seems to us, and if there is, what is its true size - it is necessary to examination the Third and examine at the limit of possibilities.

If the third test is successfully passed, then comes the highest, unknown in other cases satisfaction. In general, successes, praise, awards for the Third Function are valued like no other and are the subject of inexhaustible pride of their owner. Thus, Napoleon, having the 3rd Logic, was most proud of his membership in the National Institute (Academy of Sciences) and even signed his orders on the army "Bonaparte, a member of the National Institute" and only after this title put all the others, for others, perhaps much more weighty.

For the same reason, the Third, like no other function, is sensitive to flattery. It is impossible to move here; no matter how monstrous flattery on the Third, deep down a man absolutely does not believe it, after all shows a full willingness to drink and drink this poison, never getting fed up and not experiencing heartburn.

FOURTH
"In short, the fourth function is a slave without guile, a chameleon and a dependent with a large, but often dormant potential."

FOURTH FEATURE

It's hard to talk about the Fourth function in a wordy way. It is a "little thing" - a function that we ourselves attach little importance to. It does not follow from this that the Fourth is notoriously weak and unproductive. On the contrary, the world is full of good mathematicians with the 4th Logic and artists with the 4th Emotion. The main thing in it is again a subjective hierarchy of internal values, forcing something one in itself to put on the last fourth stage. And putting, and treat appropriately.

On this attitude and to the Fourth function I want to insist, because the confusion between the quality of functioning and the position of function on the steps of the mental hierarchy - a common mistake in mental yoga. 4th Logic is not necessarily stupid, the 4th Emotion is not necessarily insensitive, etc. One woman with the 4th Will, when I once said about her "weak character", with a feeling she retorted: "This is not true. I'm not weak. I just feel better when I am led." God spare us by exploring low-cost functions, equating their position with quality. No mistake is more serious.

Externally, the fourth function is hard to distinguish from the Second. They are related to freedom, naturalness and fearlessness of self-expression. For example, the 4th Logic is worth nothing to get involved in a catchy philosophical dispute, at ease demonstrating the uninhibitedness and paradox of thinking, and not even to be offended, like the 2nd Logic, on the expressed in the hearts of the "fool". However, in the external similarity of the action there is a deep difference in motives between the two of these functions: the 2nd Logic will not be offended by the "fool" because it will not believe, and the 4th Logic - because the assessments on this part of it are deeply indifferent to it. That's the trick.

Based on the external similarity of the Second and Fourth functions, I see the need to enumerate the signs by which the identification of the Fourth can be considered unconditional.

The main thing - the activity on the Fourth does not have an independent value, it is not a goal, and a means of subsistence. Therefore, if, say, someone with the 4th Logic is engaged in intellectual work, it follows only that he tries to use this function (regardless of success) as a tool by which the requests of other self-worthy higher functions are realized: ambition - by will, material interests - on Physics, etc.

Secondly, the unreliability of what is mined and obtained by the Fourth; let us remember the 4th Logic of Tolstoy, who, for all his love of philosophization, doubted the existence of Japan Madagascar.

Third, disabling the Fourth in crisis situations. The human psyche, generally distrustful of the Fourth as such, in crises disables it as a possible hindrance in choosing the right decision and transfers the internal energy to higher levels.

Next - mirror. Interaction with the Fourth is always the same as an order made by a higher partner function. This circumstance, for example, makes the 4th Physics a good sexual partner, because, not having its own model of sexual behavior, it adequately and sensitively responds to all requests of the partner.

Finally, the Fourth function is very dependent and easily overdoes itself to others standing above the steps of the hierarchy functions. So, the 4th Physics painlessly goes into content, the 4th Emotion is easily infected with other people's moods, the 4th Logic without dispute takes any, more or less plausible concepts, the 4th Will in advance agrees with the decisions made for it.

A remarkable feature of the Fourth is that the true power of its man learns only in the moments of fullness of life. Translating the term "fullness of life" into the language of mental yoga, we can say that it is a state where the first three functions are adequate to themselves, i.e. there is a good result on the First and there are processes on the Second and Third. It is at such moments that the usually dormant Fourth Function gains strength, independence and depth of sound. Conversely, the blows to any of the first three functions completely turn off the Fourth.

In short, the fourth function is a slave without guile, a chameleon and a dependent with a large, but often dormant potential.

[Aria]

@squark coming through with the Russian info The problem is when you feel you have weaknesses in multiple areas but aren't sure how to differentiate socionics weaknesses from 3rd attitude insecurity.

More reading required.... *gulps tea*

Edit: reminds self "it's not necessarily about quality/aptitude of the function that determines its place on the mental hierarchy" (taken from that section on the 4th position)

[Lolita]

2L-3 are into arguing as long as it stays logical. But as soon as ppl emote, or they’re EIE (who are commonly 1E, that clashes with my 3E) then it’s just pointless. With 4F, I do things like pick out an outfit (for example) and quickly move on. I don’t savor the F stuff, but I view it in a positive way for both me and others.

AP is about your attitude towards your abilities, not your actual cognitive abilities so it’s not related to socionics. There is a claim that there seems to be more of a correlation with enneagrams but so far, Rob is wrong and need to read Naranjo and Ichazo. My AP type is noted to being the “most argumentative type,”however he said VLEF is linked with enneagram 1, but 1 isn’t argumentative. I don’t even have 1 fix.


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[squark]

but 1 isn’t argumentative.

I might have to argue with that. (Kidding aside, it depends on the 1, but when you consider that a 1 is trying to reach perfection and feels like they need to correct the imperfect - yeah, you can get a lot of arguing going on)

[Aria]

There is a claim that there seems to be more of a correlation with enneagrams but so far, Rob is wrong and need to read Naranjo and Ichazo. My AP type is noted to being the “most argumentative type,”however he said VLEF is linked with enneagram 1, but 1 isn’t argumentative. I don’t even have 1 fix.

Yeah, those enneagram correlations were throwing me for a loop. In his video on VELFs he said type One is extremely rare, but I think I'm both. However I'm also looking at LEFV for myself...a sudden weird shift.

My ILE bestie is VLEF like yourself and she's enneagram 9. She can be very stubborn and will always privately have an opinion, but her Social Nine-ness keeps this from manifesting in a combative way. So I think you have to use discernment when you come across a person's opinion on how a type will manifest themselves.

Btw is that actually your bike in your signature?

[Vex]

I got typed as VELF AKHMATOVA, so that was cool.

[Vex]

Sources I like, idk if they've already been posted here and I'm not gonna check 5 pages.

https://bestsocionics.com/psychosophy/functions/

https://bestsocionics.com/psychosophy/

https://osocionike.ru/psychosophy/

[Aria]

Sources I like, idk if they've already been posted here and I'm not gonna check 5 pages.

https://bestsocionics.com/psychosophy/functions/

https://bestsocionics.com/psychosophy/

https://osocionike.ru/psychosophy/

Thanks, I hadn't discovered that last one.

[Northstar]

These russian sources are better than the attitudinal psyche site. Looking at functions in isolation I can see both VFLE and FVLE working but in type descriptions I think VFLE edges out. I’ll give the 200q thing a try later. The attitudinal psyche page test gave me VFLE both times I did, old and updated test.

[Lolita]

I might have to argue with that. (Kidding aside, it depends on the 1, but when you consider that a 1 is trying to reach perfection and feels like they need to correct the imperfect - yeah, you can get a lot of arguing going on)

LOL sure 1 can be argumentative but they are not argumentative by core. My dad is LSI 1 and he’s perfectionist but literally won’t argue unless his Ti is attacked. He’s rigid and angry, but not argumentative. VLEF argue due to their L being agitated because they seek out information and correct it (I can see that as 1-ish) but they’ll argue endlessly over logical contention and they do stick by their arguments, especially when others emote, they’ll dig their heels in and will bulldoze with more logic. I think VLEF is actually more like 5.


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[Lolita]

Yeah, those enneagram correlations were throwing me for a loop. In his video on VELFs he said type One is extremely rare, but I think I'm both. However I'm also looking at LEFV for myself...a sudden weird shift.

My ILE bestie is VLEF like yourself and she's enneagram 9. She can be very stubborn and will always privately have an opinion, but her Social Nine-ness keeps this from manifesting in a combative way. So I think you have to use discernment when you come across a person's opinion on how a type will manifest themselves.

Btw is that actually your bike in your signature?

The enneagram correlations are mostly wrong. It’s not based off enneagram theory to draw likeness, but more like it’s based off of whatever impressions the enneagrams are known for and I’ve interacted with Rob and some members of his team. They’re EIEs (Rob is likely EIE-N) and they operate based upon their impressions and the image politics of enneagrams but not actually examine enneagram to any depth. It’s just their spin on what they believe to be correlated with what.

As for VLEF being “the most argumentative” type, that’s from Rob. Being argumentative doesn’t mean being aggressive, although that doesn’t stop others from viewing an argumentative person as aggressive. I don’t argue in an off-putting way. I argue in a matter of fact way and people who are higher on the E priority often would mistaken my points of contention as something E related when it’s actually L related. I’m a social 8 and I’m directly inclined to stand up and fight. That’s the “justice” of 8. However, even if your friend is 9 and VLEF, she would still be “argumentative” but just in an L way. Whether people see her as being argumentative, that’s another thing and probably more related to her being a 9 vs me being an 8. If she’s VLEF, then we both have the same attitudes and motivations for arguing and would be “argumentative.”

Yes, it’s one of my bikes and currently my only fixie as I’ve sold the one I built. The maker is an Fi bike mechanic. She makes unique color combos and don’t repeat old designs. She mainly does custom color orders. It’s definitely too loud looking but it rides like a dream.


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[Aria]

As for VLEF being “the most argumentative” type, that’s from Rob. Being argumentative doesn’t mean being aggressive, although that doesn’t stop others from viewing an argumentative person as aggressive. I don’t argue in an off-putting way. I argue in a matter of fact way and people who are higher on the E priority often would mistaken my points of contention as something E related when it’s actually L related. I’m a social 8 and I’m directly inclined to stand up and fight. That’s the “justice” of 8. However, even if your friend is 9 and VLEF, she would still be “argumentative” but just in an L way. Whether people see her as being argumentative, that’s another thing and probably more related to her being a 9 vs me being an 8. If she’s VLEF, then we both have the same attitudes and motivations for arguing and would be “argumentative.”

I do wonder if she's actually VLEF, but can't think what else would fit better. Wouldn't describe her as argumentative because she's good at gauging when someone will be able to receive what she says or not, so often she just stops arguing if she knows they aren't really interested in listening. However yeah, she doesn't yield logical points easily at all.

I can see her fighting her natural impulse to respond to someone's point and the 9 impulse to keep the peace.

Yes, it’s one of my bikes and currently my only fixie as I’ve sold the one I built. The maker is an Fi bike mechanic. She makes unique color combos and don’t repeat old designs. She mainly does custom color orders. It’s definitely too loud looking but it rides like a dream.

The saturated colors are

[The Reality Denialist]

This seems to hit home


https://6m7pgjna6sc2g3s4hthzeoyoay--...skal-levf.html

[The Reality Denialist]

Nice website, makes me think I'm ELVF.

What's the point of psychosophy? Looks like a mix of MBTI and astrology. I know i know socionics doesn't look that legit either on first impressions.....

I just think of it as simplified behavioral mechanics you execute daily and naturally. It is a lot like balance. Regarding type relations here it seems bit far fetched at times. You kind of just share attitudes which can be important at first encounter. So I would not read too much into it but take it from practical perspective.

[Aria]

Nice website, makes me think I'm ELVF.

What's the point of psychosophy? Looks like a mix of MBTI and astrology. I know i know socionics doesn't look that legit either on first impressions.....

In a way it reminds me of the instincts (sexual, social, self preservation), although it's not so much about where your energy goes as it is about your attitude toward each area of life.

This site describes it as a supplement to socionics for people who feel like their sociotype doesn't completely describe them, or they have elements in their nature that contradict their sociotype, or duality doesn't seem to be as helpful as it's made out to be: https://osocionike.ru/psychosophy/61...cheloveka.html

Personally I'm still sorting out my type, but it adds another layer that helps me see why I'm really drawn to certain people even if they're not the best socionic match for me. And vice versa, why members of my own quadra have been a bad fit in the long run.

[The Banana King]

This seems to hit home


https://6m7pgjna6sc2g3s4hthzeoyoay--...skal-levf.html

Yooo this site is awesome, MOAR descriptions!!


https://6m7pgjna6sc2g3s4hthzeoyoay--...ikur-flev.html

Right on the money. The only other type I was considering is Berthier (LFEV) and it doesn't fit at all.

Wait I just noticed these descriptions are the same ones from bestsocionics.com except a bit longer and with different wording. They also have some interesting socionics articles for a fresh perspective on intertype relations and such. Oh wow they also have intertype relationships descriptions for different types and even different gender pairings! A bit hard to navigate the pages with those weird URLs though lol

https://6m7pgjna6sc2g3s4hthzeoyoay--...-i-balzak.html
https://6m7pgjna6sc2g3s4hthzeoyoay--...stoevskiy.html
https://6m7pgjna6sc2g3s4hthzeoyoay--...-i-esenin.html

[Northstar]

200 questions test gave inconclusive results, did it twice with minor changes between some answers but both indicate 4E and basically three possible types. First run had strongest coefficients for FVLE, LVFE, VFLE. Second run had VFLE, FVLE, LVFE. Averaging the coefficients from both runs results in FVLE edging out very slightly (0,0025 or 0,11%) over VFLE with LVFE clearly losing. Both of the shorter psychosophy tests suggested VFLE, the other one tied points with FVLE.

[marooned]

i've gone through many of the russian sites and ELVF is still the best fit. everything on this page regarding 4F is true of me for the most part. the only issues are that if i could get the energy, i wouldn't live in trash and i feel psychologically broken in this area. and although it is true that appearance to me is more about emotional self-expression/identity expression, i am pained by body image matters off and on. i think the first emotion third will fits me better than the first emotion third physics. although obviously i'm not some great intellectual like hans christian andersen lol i think the descriptions for the andersen fit well enough and better than any of the other types.

it seems dumas came up with this system? and not to um shit on my own kind, but it does indeed seem this system is a terrible Ti HA production. it is flawed to its bare bones.

i propose just creatively giving oneself 5 slots to fill lol. i can be EELVF, in which only the first two slots are actual strengths and the L is a bit more like 3L in that it's still weak logic but it's also a bit like 2L in that it's secure. giving it an extra slot arbitrarily defined however one likes gives the system more... breathing room.

[Aria]

i've gone through many of the russian sites and ELVF is still the best fit. everything on this page regarding 4F is true of me for the most part. the only issues are that if i could get the energy, i wouldn't live in trash and i feel psychologically broken in this area. and although it is true that appearance to me is more about emotional self-expression/identity expression, i am pained by body image matters off and on. i think the first emotion third will fits me better than the first emotion third physics. although obviously i'm not some great intellectual like hans christian andersen lol i think the descriptions for the andersen fit well enough and better than any of the other types.

The third spot is tricky depending what's going on in life or how I'm doing psychologically overall. When I'm not doing well I get hangups in both Physics and Logic, so would almost tie those for 3rd.

i propose just creatively giving oneself 5 slots to fill lol. i can be EELVF, in which only the first two slots are actual strengths and the L is a bit more like 3L in that it's still weak logic but it's also a bit like 2L in that it's secure. giving it an extra slot arbitrarily defined however one likes gives the system more... breathing room.

I like it, since currently there's no option for "what if I have a bad attitude towards multiple things?" lol

[rose]

I get VLEF, ya know, the arguing one.
It's the best fit I guess, that's what I thought when reading descriptions but I don't think it's very good.
I really hate arguing with people because what's the point? It's all written somewhere already anyway, if one just bothers to google it: the pros, the cons, the part that can go both sides, the part that says the argument is a waste of perfectly good time and energy, the points we are missing with the argument itself...

I do argue with myself on a daily basis tho.

[squark]

I get VLEF, ya know, the arguing one.
It's the best fit I guess, that's what I thought when reading descriptions but I don't think it's very good.
I really hate arguing with people because what's the point? It's all written somewhere already anyway, if one just bothers to google it: the pros, the cons, the part that can go both sides, the part that says the argument is a waste of perfectly good time and energy, the points we are missing with the argument itself...

I do argue with myself on a daily basis tho.

Maybe try switching the places of V and L? I originally got VLEF also, but I'm not so pushy or debate-y as the 1V and 2L describe. I'd rather lecture than debate, and while I like discussion, discussion isn't debate. I don't need the back-and-forth of a debate and just look things up on my own. Sounds like you might be similar.

[rose]

Maybe try switching the places of V and L? I originally got VLEF also, but I'm not so pushy or debate-y as the 1V and 2L describe. I'd rather lecture than debate, and while I like discussion, discussion isn't debate. I don't need the back-and-forth of a debate and just look things up on my own. Sounds like you might be similar.

Perhaps I sounded unsure, like I needed help figuring it out. I've read the stuff already, seems more logical to go with an other type considering my behavior, but I don't think behavior is what they are trying to mesure.
It comes to it because behavior is the easiest thing to observe, but it takes root deeper than we could ever guess.

[squark]

Perhaps I sounded unsure, like I needed help figuring it out. I've read the stuff already, seems more logical to go with an other type considering my behavior, but I don't think behavior is what they are trying to mesure.
It comes to it because behavior is the easiest thing to observe, but it takes root deeper than we could ever guess.

Mm yes, it's preference and priorities, which is why I made the suggestion based on what you said. Sounded like your preference was not to enforce your will on others, nor was it to be open to suggestions/debate regarding logic. But, 'twas just a suggestion, feel free to drop it off nearest cliff if you'd like

[rose]

Mm yes, it's preference and priorities, which is why I made the suggestion based on what you said. Sounded like your preference was not to enforce your will on others, nor was it to be open to suggestions/debate regarding logic. But, 'twas just a suggestion, feel free to drop it off nearest cliff if you'd like

Hm, preferences and priorities. I only talked about my outward behavior and inner arguments, what I'd prefer is something else.
1L is closer to what I'd like to be than what I am.

[The Banana King]

"Psychosophy (psycheyoga) is a typology of people , which is based not on informational metabolism, like socionics, but on the scale of human priorities. The psychophysical type, in contrast to the socionic, can change: for this you need to go through some kind of shock. In addition, if a person acquires the socionic type from birth, then we form the psychosophical type. Most often, it is formed from childhood itself - children's grievances and omissions become the third function in psychosophy (weak and vulnerable), and children's confidence and parental praise form the first function (the most confident and strong)."

Great definition there. I would extend it and say that psyche yoga type can also change even in adulthood. I remember quite clearly how as a kid I was more like LFEV/LVEF and over time my F became rigid and my 1L softened and became more flexible. I remember my parents always said I was a stubborn (as in closed-minded) kid and that I would always think I was right and the grownups mistaken. I definitely lost that 1L know-it-all attitude growing up. And it got sorta replaced by 1F.

[SGF]

... seems to fit.

The type in psychosophy Epicurus (FLEV) is the psychotype of a person who has a stable, calm and balanced character. Quite often, there are active, emotional and interesting people near Epicure, and, as a result, an atmosphere is created where a lot of excitement and emotions of a different plan accumulate. Perhaps Epicurus himself finds himself in such an environment, perhaps he himself provokes its occurrence, but he feels himself in it like a fish in water. Epicuru is very cozy and comfortable to be in pleasant emotions , and his calmness and habit of going with the flow become quite useful when dealing with more emotional people. <== sounds like Fe seeking.

Epicurus (FLEV) are thinkers and great debaters who value the simple joys of life.

It happens that a representative of the FLEV type is overwhelmed by emotions that are rather difficult to control. In such a situation, Epicurus has a rather difficult time. Generally speaking, Epicurus is a kind and easy-going person. Even if he is in a quarrel, swears, argues - after a while he will cool down and will normally communicate with his irritant. And if it concerns personal relationships, then a representative of the FLEV type constantly thinks about whether he has offended someone.

Despite the fact that FLEV is an inert type , you cannot call him weak-willed. He has developed logic, maturity of mind and the ability to learn complex professions. He can be quite childish when he enjoys the world, accepting his surroundings easily and harmoniously. When FLEV is not happy with what is happening around him, it does not bother him much, in the depths of his soul there is always peace and beauty. In reality, Epicurus accepts the environment around him with restraint and calmness, because people, their mood and morals cannot be changed, so you need to accept them as they are and live in peace.

Epicurus always considers himself a free man , and he respects people like him - independent and independent. It is very difficult to persuade him to a relationship when he owes something to a certain person. Any dependence weighs on him. Representatives of the FLEV type want no one to control them. <== yeah absolutely true.



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Epicurus loves to be in the world of emotions, but treats hysterics very badly. He appreciates and respects people who are distinguished by an emotional, active, cheerful character. With dry and difficult people in communication, he simply does not know how to talk. <== e_e holy shit, this is accurate af.

FLEV have a subtle sense of humor, but sometimes they can offend people around them in some way. And if a representative of this type sees that he offended a person with his jokes, he will immediately stop, apologize and become softer towards the offended person. At heart, Epicurus is a rather sensitive person . He does not want to be an overbearing boss and have a bunch of ambitions, the main thing for him in life is to feel needed and loved.

The FLEV psychotype includes hardworking and physically active people who try to devote their free time to work, but from time to time like to get carried away by pleasant conversations and philosophical discussions about life and the world. People of this type try to learn something new, regardless of the presence of education, knowledge, experience in work or in life. They always strive to think of interesting ideas and think about something.

Epicurus loves to have a good time , to eat deliciously, to communicate with pleasant people, appreciates everyday pleasures and always makes supplies for a rainy day. Such a person tries to please himself with simple things: delicious coffee, a comfortable bed, an interesting newspaper at dinner.

The most important thing that Epicurus values ​​in life is the stability of the material world. He very slowly adapts to the world around him, but if he found his place, he feels in his element and feels a surge of happiness . Epicurus is a lover of talking on various topics, therefore he is very often well versed in art and literature, as well as in physics. FLEV is characterized by a rather sad vision of the world, and the best remedy for sadness for him is to treat everything with irony. That is why Epicurus has a good sense of humor, loves to play a trick on himself and others.

[Lolita]

I do wonder if she's actually VLEF, but can't think what else would fit better. Wouldn't describe her as argumentative because she's good at gauging when someone will be able to receive what she says or not, so often she just stops arguing if she knows they aren't really interested in listening. However yeah, she doesn't yield logical points easily at all.

I can see her fighting her natural impulse to respond to someone's point and the 9 impulse to keep the peace.



The saturated colors are

Depends on how you define “argumentative” because VLEF is into the logical arguments of the topic, not as in they’re starting arguments. It’s like the VLEF is passing by, saw piece of information out of place, then point it out. If the reaction against the logical evaluation is met with emotional resistance (which is often done by 1E), then arguments will ensue and VLEF will not ever let up on the logical components. 1E will often call their arguments logical when they’re emoting to throw a red herring. 2L will discuss and explore the concepts publicly.

Yeah, the colors are fine. Not really something I’d pick if I could customize. I just got it because it was the only one that’s in my size that’s not all black, navy, or army green.


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[The Reality Denialist]

This site is filled with betas and 3E's. Eh.

[The Reality Denialist]

why do you say 3E? How do 3Es feel like around 1E?

Good one. I don't know. Seems like this is easy place to process it. 3L probably avoid logical assertions so not so good for this, 3F is more concerned what is out there so not fitting either, 3V might fit because it searches something to strive for.

[SGF]

why do you say 3E? How do 3Es feel like around 1E?

3E: when a 1E asks me what I feel about something I'm stumped, kind of surprised and stressed as I have no fucking clue at first, need to think about it and even then I have no idea how to express it outside of 2L aka rationalize or 1F showing it physically. Its often unclear to me why I like something or someone and I may get blindsided be strong emotions I struggle to suppress as I don't like showing how I feel, because I feel it makes me weak, naked and vulnerable. I'm often skeptical of and second guess gut feelings and intuitions, and idk wtf to say about art or mistrust people and their intentions. I also dislike if 1Es unload their strong negative emotions on me or if they whine and show weakness.. often that is unbearable and makes me want to run or I may just blow up on them, start yelling and cut them off, especially if the focus on emotions and how we relate is constant and unending from their side. I'm superficially nice to people at first and worry about expressing myself wrong or in a way that they will dislike.. but that fades once I get to know them better, after which I become more rough.

The opposite of 1E in every possible way it seems, but with an about equal but stressed focus on emotions. I'm often very good at hiding the often negative internal emotional storm.. I have 0 ideas how to constructively express myself outside of logically breaking it down or breaking stuff.

This is fairly consistent with being a head type (enneagram type 6), as the head triad is disconnected from these things, especially inner guidance.

I seem to like violin music and often get this urge to learn to play the violin, this sense that the violin is the best instrument through which to express my emotions seems constant. I bought a training violin..

[Chthonic Daydream]

I submitted my video to Timur, for the sake of getting typed in Psychosophy too. I should get the results in 7-9 days

[Aria]

I submitted my video to Timur, for the sake of getting typed in Psychosophy too. I should get the results in 7-9 days

Exciting. I'm more and more tempted to do this...should save my pennies currently, though.

[squark]

I submitted my video to Timur, for the sake of getting typed in Psychosophy too. I should get the results in 7-9 days

Oh hey, I'm trying to do this too. I used the questionnaire he had on his page to make the video and then saw this "NOTE! You will get the most relevant questionnaire automatically on your email after making order. You can see approximate questionnaire on this page, it’s not suitable for typing." But everything was in Russian when I ordered and I didn't get a different English version to use. He hasn't responded to my questions about this. So, did you get a different English version to use, or was it fine using the one he has on his page? Hopefully he'll respond to my question soon, but thought I'd ask here too if you're further along in the process.