PornHub: Alleged Sex Trafficking and Rape Videos

[xerx]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/o...afficking.html

Anyone can upload anything to PornHub.

“Pornhub became my trafficker,” a woman named Cali told me. She says she was adopted in the United States from China and then trafficked by her adoptive family and forced to appear in pornographic videos beginning when she was 9. Some videos of her being abused ended up on Pornhub and regularly reappear there, she said.

Yet there’s another side of the company: Its site is infested with rape videos. It monetizes child rapes, revenge pornography, spy cam videos of women showering, racist and misogynist content, and footage of women being asphyxiated in plastic bags. A search for “girls under18” (no space) or “14yo” leads in each case to more than 100,000 videos. Most aren’t of children being assaulted, but too many are.

After a 15-year-old girl went missing in Florida, her mother found her on Pornhub — in 58 sex videos. Sexual assaults on a 14-year-old California girl were posted on Pornhub and were reported to the authorities not by the company but by a classmate who saw the videos. In each case, offenders were arrested for the assaults, but Pornhub escaped responsibility for sharing the videos and profiting from them.

[gone]

Porn is bad, Pornhub is bad, anyone who refuses to see it is just a smelly dumb brain fried dopamine depleted impotent coomer

[ContractedCriminalboy]

The porn industry is full of sexual exploitation and abuse?! Omg how shocking!

[Faith]

In porn and prostitution you never know if the people are there by their own choice. I've heard tons of testimonies of women and girls being trafficked in the US and in other countries.
People just need to accept this reality.

[Grendel]

cartoon fetish porn is the obvious solution

[FreelancePoliceman]

The problem is, or was, that Pornhub allowed anyone to upload anything, and there was too much content to review it all manually.

Now because payment processors stopped allowing payments to pornhub they only let “verified users” post. I guess that’s good in this case, but it’s symptomatic of what’s happening to the Internet in general. There’s a frequently-expressed opinion that websites are responsible for whatever people post to them. It’s not hard to see how this leads to censorship. After the 2016 elections article after article blamed social media for allowing “fake news” and “Russian propaganda” to influence voters and thus win the election for Trump. This year Facebook and Twitter higherups thought it was their job to win the election for Biden, and so they censored the NYP article about his son. There are countless other examples. Media outlets have removed comment sections from their websites because they don’t want “wrong” opinions being expressed about their “journalism.” Rotten Tomatoes removed the “want to see” score from its movie pages because Captain Marvel’s score went below 25%, apparently because they feared all those negative reviews would hurt the profits of Disney. On the one hand you have this outright censorship, making it more and more difficult to express your opinions at all online, but then you also have potential employers and potential partners searching through everything you do on social media, so you have to self-censor if you want to be considered employable or fuckable (for instance to someone with different political opinions). Eventually I think it’s possible forums like this will be pressured to close because it allows users to post “fake news”, “conspiracy theories”, sexist and racist content, and the like. We’re moving toward a future where you can only post pre-approved content on the Web.

[xerx]

While we're at it, according to a German study, sex trafficking has increased in countries with legal prostitution, like Germany and Switzerland. It has decreased in Sweden and Denmark, both of which have criminalized prostitution.

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/20...n-trafficking/

Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.

^ This is a direct rebuttal to the argument that legalizing prostitution incentivizes people to seek out the legal option.


.........and here's the trade-off:

While trafficking inflows may be lower where prostitution is criminalized, there may be severe repercussions for those working in the industry. For example, criminalizing prostitution penalizes sex workers rather than the people who earn most of the profits (pimps and traffickers).

[nanashi]

While we're at it, according to a German study, sex trafficking has increased in countries with legal prostitution, like Germany and Switzerland. It has decreased in Sweden and Denmark, both of which have criminalized prostitution.

https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/20...n-trafficking/



^ This is a direct rebuttal to the argument that legalizing prostitution incentivizes people to seek out the legal option.


.........and here's the trade-off: "While trafficking inflows may be lower where prostitution is criminalized, there may be severe repercussions for those working in the industry. For example, criminalizing prostitution penalizes sex workers rather than the people who earn most of the profits (pimps and traffickers)."

That's not the trade-off. EXPLOITERS (buyers, etc) are doing so illegally in Sweden. People whose bodies are traded are NOT fined in Sweden, iirc. So there is NO such trade-off of harsher civic repercussions. It's the people considered most powerful and least vulnerable and who are buying other human beings' bodies who are fined/prosecuted, not the people whose bodies are sold.

[Number 9 large]

That's not the trade-off. EXPLOITERS (buyers, etc) are doing so illegally in Sweden. People whose bodies are traded are NOT fined in Sweden, iirc. So there is NO such trade-off of harsher civic repercussions. It's the people considered most powerful and least vulnerable and who are buying other human beings' bodies who are fined/prosecuted, not the people whose bodies are sold.

The porn isnt gonna go away get a girlfriend dawg

[nanashi]

The porn isnt gonna go away get a girlfriend dawg

You are confusing sexwork with pornography. I know the conversation started with porn, but if you go back and read again, you'd see it shifted to talking about sex slavery and then prostitution/sexwork, which is why I cleared up an issue about the nature of a legal policy in Sweden someone hadn't understood.

Telling someone to get a girlfriend/boyfriend is coercive.

My positions on sexwork and thoughts about pornography haven't disappeared when I've been in relationships. Why would one think my thought-out conclusions would evancesce like that?

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That's not the trade-off. EXPLOITERS (buyers, etc) are doing so illegally in Sweden. People whose bodies are traded are NOT fined in Sweden, iirc. So there is NO such trade-off of harsher civic repercussions. It's the people considered most powerful and least vulnerable and who are buying other human beings' bodies who are fined/prosecuted, not the people whose bodies are sold.

Yeah i'm swedish and can confirm it's illegal to buy sex but it isn't illegal to sell it, we made it like that to protect sex workers, usually women in vulnerable positions

[End]

Yeah i'm swedish and can confirm it's illegal to buy sex but it isn't illegal to sell it, we made it like that to protect sex workers, usually women in vulnerable positions

Ok, how the fuck does that make any form of sense? If it is illegal for me to buy a thing you're selling (and thus, by logical extension, it ought be illegal for me to seek it out) than how the fuck can that not result in both of us risking a prison sentence? That's basically the legal enunciation of the the BS claim of "Tails I win, heads you lose." I'd be wrong for buying what a ho was selling, but the ho was somehow not at fault for initiating the offer? If I go to the deli and order some salami, I'm somehow in the wrong for asking for some salami when the manager is screaming "Get your salami here?"

I have no doubt that Europe is currently insane enough as to think that's somehow logical. My American ancestors, and the descendants that can trace their line back to your beloved Sweden, fled your shithole of a continent/nation for damn good reason and still feel a bit tilted that you're daring to try to re-enslave us serfs to your empires through your globalist/truly imperialistic Bullshit!

Empires fall, as they damn well ought. To mourn that fact is to side with the devil. Prime reason number one: They spout the same illogical BS in their dying days as you are. There's a good reason your nation is a rather insulting meme. To think that you used to produce Viking Kings or spawned the subject of a rather badass and enjoyable Heavy Metal song...

I'm actually doubting your ability to get my references. Prove me wrong will you? As I've said before, I actually relish the prospect of others failing to live down to my predictions .

[xerx]

That's not the trade-off. EXPLOITERS (buyers, etc) are doing so illegally in Sweden. People whose bodies are traded are NOT fined in Sweden, iirc. So there is NO such trade-off of harsher civic repercussions. It's the people considered most powerful and least vulnerable and who are buying other human beings' bodies who are fined/prosecuted, not the people whose bodies are sold.

The trade-off is that the working conditions of legal prostitutes is better where sex work is legal. It's not just about criminal prosecution.

[nanashi]

The trade-off is that the working conditions of legal prostitutes is better where sex work is legal. It's not just about criminal prosecution.

That conclusion was based on societies where sex workers are CHARGED WITH A CRIME AND SOCIALLY OSTRACIZED. In Sweden, with what's known as the Nordic Model, sex workers are considered persons exploited based on their financial vulnerability and usually their biological sex, afaik, and are NOT charged with any crime. AFAIK, they are also connected with social services to support them.

[End]

cartoon fetish porn is the obvious solution

I don't like or support pornography, but at least Hentai/Rule 34 artists aren't harming anyone one could argue. Drawings aren't real people and nobody is forcing you to read doujins and the like. Sadly, whether or not you watch a snuff vid, the fact it exists means someone was killed/died for a perverse nut. Ain't no defending that one in my book.

The problem is, or was, that Pornhub allowed anyone to upload anything, and there was too much content to review it all manually.

Now because payment processors stopped allowing payments to pornhub they only let “verified users” post. I guess that’s good in this case, but it’s symptomatic of what’s happening to the Internet in general. There’s a frequently-expressed opinion that websites are responsible for whatever people post to them. It’s not hard to see how this leads to censorship. After the 2016 elections article after article blamed social media for allowing “fake news” and “Russian propaganda” to influence voters and thus win the election for Trump. This year Facebook and Twitter higherups thought it was their job to win the election for Biden, and so they censored the NYP article about his son. There are countless other examples. Media outlets have removed comment sections from their websites because they don’t want “wrong” opinions being expressed about their “journalism.” Rotten Tomatoes removed the “want to see” score from its movie pages because Captain Marvel’s score went below 25%, apparently because they feared all those negative reviews would hurt the profits of Disney. On the one hand you have this outright censorship, making it more and more difficult to express your opinions at all online, but then you also have potential employers and potential partners searching through everything you do on social media, so you have to self-censor if you want to be considered employable or fuckable (for instance to someone with different political opinions). Eventually I think it’s possible forums like this will be pressured to close because it allows users to post “fake news”, “conspiracy theories”, sexist and racist content, and the like. We’re moving toward a future where you can only post pre-approved content on the Web.

Wish I could say you're wrong, but you're not. That is the future if something doesn't happen to change it. You/we will live in the pod, eat the bugs, own nothing, and be happy. Happiness will be mandatory. Those who aren't happy with the aforementioned state of affairs in any way will be "graciously" allowed to leave the megacity pod complex and live in the wilds where they'll be oh so much happier.

That is, they'll be walked out of LoS of the "happy" pod people with much fanfare and then gruesomely murdered somehow (e.g. dissolved in a vat of acid, slowly). Y'know, because just shooting such "reprobates" in the head is too good for those who dare to question the absolute divinity of the PTB and the truth of their likewise divine pronouncements. What's that? You say the sky is blue when the "gods" themselves declare it is a non-binary all-inclusive shade of rainbow teal? Report to your pod lord for escort to the happy happy fun land beyond the horizon for "unfortunates" such as you. You'll be much happier out there, away from people who believe in the most absolute and certain of truths you defective waste of our glorious and graciously provided divine WM2. O2 was too offensive a term/formula you see so we, your true gods, fixed it. If you're questioning how or why, well, report to your pod lord.

[Aramas]

"Regularly reappear there"

So they do delete those videos. It's just that people re-uploaded them from their own hard drives.

Probably need something like an AI that will screen for blacklisted videos that have already been reported and taken down. Not sure what kind of resources that would take though.

I think it's worth saying that they are removed when they're found, so it's not like someone isn't making an effort

[nanashi]

"Regularly reappear there"

So they do delete those videos. It's just that people re-uploaded them from their own hard drives.

Probably need something like an AI that will screen for blacklisted videos that have already been reported and taken down. Not sure what kind of resources that would take though.

I think it's worth saying that they are removed when they're found, so it's not like someone isn't making an effort

NO.


"Rose Kalemba was 14 when she was brutally raped by two men for 12 hours while a 3rd man filmed the incident. A few months later as she was scrolling online she found herself tagged in a link. When she clicked on it she was taken to Pornhub, to a video of her rape. She contacted Pornhub for 6 months telling them that it was not consensual and that she was underage. Pornhub refused to take it down. So finally she posed as a lawyer and threatened to sue them. Only then did they take it down.2"https://exoduscry.com/blog/shiftingc...q33J5.facebook



They are absolutely complicit in the likely tens of thousands of sex crimes constituted by each time the child's body was watched being raped by the mostly men and boys who sought out watching it (yes, each viewing is a sex crime).

[Grendel]

"Regularly reappear there"

So they do delete those videos. It's just that people re-uploaded them from their own hard drives.

Probably need something like an AI that will screen for blacklisted videos that have already been reported and taken down. Not sure what kind of resources that would take though.

I think it's worth saying that they are removed when they're found, so it's not like someone isn't making an effort

The problem with this is that said device could just as easily be repurposed to do the same with copyrighted content, and as we all know, the Internet is supposed to be for copyright infringement.

[Aramas]

The problem with this is that said device could just as easily be repurposed to do the same with copyrighted content, and as we all know, the Internet is supposed to be for copyright infringement.

Huh?

[Grendel]

Huh?

The AI.

[Aramas]

The AI.

YouTube already does this. They just demonetize the content or take it down if asked to.

[Grendel]

Also, seems like nobody's talking about the fact that P-hub used to be a safe-harbor for completely non-porn content including political content that was getting blacklisted and censored off all other outlets, as well as intellectual property stuff.
So this isn't just porn that's getting deleted, this is establishing precedent for enforcing iron-fisted copyright enforcement and speech deplatforming across the rest of the web.

I'd be all for deleting abuse content like this, but remember, supposedly harboring a few ISIS recruitment vids was the excuse Ruppert Murdoch and the NYT used to attack YouTube for "platforming harmful content" in tiny amounts among a sea of good content, and all the good content was punished when YouTube was forced to trigger the Adpocalypse as damage control in response to that. I don't think people are wary enough that the Web itself is being chronically attacked by legacy media moguls.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Ever heard the saying "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater?"

A good change maybe as long as people don't use it as justification to attack, bully and subjugate healthy kinksters and sex lovers. Te/Fi verification systems can't be the be-end-all to morality though because Te is tied with Fi and the standards of what something needs to be "verified" needs to truly be fair to everybody otherwise it's a crappy system. I'm sure almost everybody would be grossly morally offended by other people's sexual provicilities if they knew about them- and I'm not just talking about the obviously dur dur stuff we find bad like pedophilia.

But once again it seems like real pedos have ruined things for everybody lol. /sigh.

and lol @ some people thinking I'm a sexual predator for merely having a crush on the same sex that's not even sexual, whilst their husbands tie them up upside down in the privacy of their bed and beat their boobs until they're red. But they're not viewing porn & hiding it better- so it's okay.

My point is you can't properly look in your own Shadow in this topic like Jung told us all to do I'm not going to trust you, because we always do the crappiest things thinking we are most in the right. Even though yes of course, stopping real sexual abusers should be done. Fantasy obviously doesn't always lead to reality though, so society pretending even more like they're all Heterosexual Angels isn't the way to go about it.

I want to stop sexual predators - but I don't support weird Thought Police people. Or people falsely accusing others of crap to look morally superior and gain power, and be a Karen.

All sex is kind of a little 'abusive' anyway isn't it, if we really think about it - people are often turned on by Bad Boys because they're Bad and morally corrupt, even though being attracted to the Te-normative lawyer Chad is obviously not as morally corrupt as human sex trafficking. He's still a douche, and you're still a little bit of a douche for being turned on by him. As long as you realize that, I don't have a problem with stuff.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Society also is very authoritative at times and punishes/tries to punish the abuser but doesn't actually do much to heal the victim.

I think we need to be stronger in both areas - but especially when healing the victims. But many people in authority or first-responders such as official therapists already look down at people who have been molested as "damaged goods", or as pawns to manipulate. Or they got into therapy in the first place just so they could creepily bully people who have been molested, and hide being some bullshit Te credentials that don't mean anything. Which further Re-abuses them and makes them feel like it's their own fault.

actually healing is better than punishment to me because many pedophiles were also victims themselves. As long as you're not a serial abuser I do believe redemption is possible in some cases. It depends on the evidence though.

As for being stronger arresting real pedos- I think that is more of a Te/Ti logistics & mechanical thing I know nothing about so I will let a NT/ST type handle that stuff. lol.

[nanashi]

no. all sex isn't a little abusive.


and yeah, we need to improve our work with people who've lived through abuse and assault.



and yeah, we need to improve our prison psychiatric and behaviorist care programs. We probably need to stop hiring certain people for prison and other police work, too.

[SGF]

>porn
>good content

pick one

Outside of maybe lesbian porn or masturbation e_e other stuff equates to essentially watching another dude shag a woman or something like that which is cuckoldry.. if you think about it.

[Grendel]

>porn
>good content

pick one

Outside of maybe lesbian porn or masturbation e_e other stuff equates to essentially watching another dude shag a woman or something like that which is cuckoldry.. if you think about it.

I'd've hit "Likes" on this, but watching lesbians is also super cuckoldry, as you're whacking it off to something that can't even reciprocate your own attraction in theory.