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    Which IR are mis-attributed to other IR?

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    "Mirage and Conflict are often mistaken for Duality"
    "Kindred is mistaken for Identity"
    "Semi-duality is mistaken for Conflict", etc

    What IR are mistaken for others (in general)?
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    IRs are typically mistaken for being valid.

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    A hot looking person is often mistaken for one's dual.

    a.k.a. I/O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    Which IR are mis-attributed to other IR?

    Some examples
    "Mirage and Conflict are often mistaken for Duality"
    "Kindred is mistaken for Identity"
    "Semi-duality is mistaken for Conflict", etc

    What IR are mistaken for others (in general)?
    I remember mistaken kindred for mirror once, since they both became good friends of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    "Mirage and Conflict are often mistaken for Duality"
    The more chance to mistake between duality/mirage/conflictors is when you take into account dichotomies where these types are close.

    IR trait which you may feel the most clear - is it good or bad IR, - by the degree of irrationaly sympathy, how good and easily you feel in interactions and after, etc
    Mirage can be related to border IR between good and neutral. Such people are pleasant above average and this arises a chance to mix them by IR effects with good IR as duality.
    But conflictors are bad IR. The main possibility to feel good with such people is to keep significant interpersonal distance. Such people may be liked _from a distance_ - this IR possibly has the most different impressions between close and distant/formal interactions. The closer you deal with them - the more IR effects you'll feel according to the theory. For example, you'll be feeling tired from them after IRL communications, unlike with good IR as duality which give you an inspiration - it's opposite effects which are hard to mix.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I have never looked at ITRs this way in terms of being "cool or something". I don't see it as relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose Lamiac 007 View Post
    I have never looked at ITRs this way in terms of being "cool or something". I don't see it as relevant.
    Yeah, not relevant for most Fi PoLR
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    Neat. That's something I do all the time, and helpful to me arguing that I am not alpha nt to myself and others. Also statistically, you have about an estimated 50% chance of believing your dual is your conflictor. I don't know the chance of solving it, but it's less. Basically what to look for is how anxious you get when doing things the other wants, I'd assume. For example, listening to my mom talk about her feelings is useful to her, but a waste of my and her time. She has learned to optimize it, however. This is a result of the conflictor learning to deal with conflict. I've also learned things, like get angry and she'll listen better sometimes for unknown reasons. She does this to me for great effect, however it achieves nothing when there is no solution possible from my end. Also, this is likely why I am super incredibly weird, relative to LIE. I live with a person with an incredibly hot temper, and therefore I choose to have none. For good reason, it doesn't help.

    TL;DR intertype relations has unexpected results for things that seem quite easy, and clear. Also I live with my conflictor, this is known, and we work it out, but I blame that for me being partially broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    Yeah, not relevant for most Fi PoLR
    Or at least I do not try to read too much into it. I do not see ITR very remarkable because, lol, why should it guide us absolutely. There are corner case exceptions that are good to know and those are duality [meaning not understanding it], supervision and conflict. The most remarkable thing that people fall for is seeing social traditions must and then they wake up later in life to bitter realization [this is probably mostly NTR] and there lies a potential for eternal doom. If this wouldn't be the case these hasty ITR's would never happen.
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    I think individuals can sometimes resemble their benefactor/benefactee(?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comatose Lamiac 007 View Post
    Or at least I do not try to read too much into it. I do not see ITR very remarkable because, lol, why should it guide us absolutely. There are corner case exceptions that are good to know and those are duality [meaning not understanding it], supervision and conflict. The most remarkable thing that people fall for is seeing social traditions must and then they wake up later in life to bitter realization [this is probably mostly NTR] and there lies a potential for eternal doom. If this wouldn't be the case these hasty ITR's would never happen.
    Type relations are for the mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Type relations are for the mentally ill.
    You're basically implying that Socionics is for the mentally ill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    You're basically implying that Socionics is for the mentally ill
    I'm implying that aspect of Socionics is for the mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I'm implying that aspect of Socionics is for the mentally ill.
    but everything revolves around IR lol
    do you at least believe in duality ('cause it's an IR)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    but everything revolves around IR lol
    do you at least believe in duality ('cause it's an IR)?
    I think duality works on paper, not always in reality. I certainly don't believe duality is all that it's chalked up to be by some people in the community though.

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    You shouldn't be identifying relationships in the first place. What you do is identify types and derive the relationship from the types involved. The relationships are way too variable and require too long-term observation to spot outright.

    People are most typically mistaken for their beneficiary, benefactor, or activator, then mirror, kindred, or business, and so on (in rough order).

    If you try to go purely based on the classical theory of relationships you will likely mistake people you happen to like as your in-quadra types and may assume e.g. that two Betas cannot both be Beta because they are fighting each other.

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    If you're not using IR, there's not much point to Socionics altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    You shouldn't be identifying relationships in the first place. What you do is identify types and derive the relationship from the types involved. The relationships are way too variable and require too long-term observation to spot outright.

    People are most typically mistaken for their beneficiary, benefactor, or activator, then mirror, kindred, or business, and so on (in rough order).

    If you try to go purely based on the classical theory of relationships you will likely mistake people you happen to like as your in-quadra types and may assume e.g. that two Betas cannot both be Beta because they are fighting each other.
    I see identifying types and relationships as the same thing, because once you recognize a certain type, you automatically recognize the correspondent relation, even if it's not the correct type you can still get the correct relation though in theory (but knowing a relation doesn't mean translating it into Socionics but rather feeling the vibe of the relation itself independently of external classifications).
    I see potential relationships everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I see identifying types and relationships as the same thing, because once you recognize a certain type, you automatically recognize the correspondent relation, even if it's not the correct type you can still get the correct relation though in theory (but knowing a relation doesn't mean translating it into Socionics but rather feeling the vibe of the relation itself independently of external classifications).
    Once you recognize a certain type, you also automatically "recognize" all its Reinin traits. That doesn't mean that the Reinin traits themselves are observable. The same goes for relationships. You may get a "duality vibe" from a relationship that isn't duality that you happen to like.

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