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    Default Model G

    Full interactive table here: https://socioniks.net/model/#model_G_eng


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    This baseless heresy is not Socionics.

    To Socionics theory relates only hypotheses of Jung and Augustinavichiute. And all what is objectively proved about types.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Idiosyncratic > Mercurial > Aggressive


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    true to beta values \o where I go the firestorm follows! *evil grin* This is nothing new tbh.. brace for impact, the beta rebellion has arrived! FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

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    Is this new or old? Some IE's signs are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Is this new or old? Some IE's signs are different.
    Its model G, here are the description of the IEs:

    Business (Pragmatic) Logic (P or Te) — extraverted logic; the function of the psyche, manifesting itself in mobile, perseverance and endurance
    Structural Logic (L or Ti) — introverted logic; the function of the psyche, manifests itself in calm, cold-blooded and pedantic behavior.
    Emotional Ethics (E or Fe) — extraverted ethics; function of the psyche forming expressive and demonstrative behavior.
    Relations Ethics (R or Fi) — introverted ethics; function of the psyche forming modest and responsive behavior.
    Force Sensation (F or Se) — extraverted sensing; function of the psyche responsible for excitability and release of the accumulated aggression.
    Comfort Sensation (S or Si) — introverted sensing; function of the psyche responsible for the care of the substantive requirements of the body: such as eating, sleeping, clothing, accommodation and so on.
    Opportunity Intuition (I or Ne) — extraverted intuition; function of the psyche reflected in high-risk and non-standard behavior.
    Temporal Intuition (T or Ni) — introverted intuition; function of the psyche observed in patient and cautious behavior.

    I or Ne — In the intellectual frame of analysis, intuition I is the extraction of information from the subconscious. The subconscious pantry of information of a person by volume is equal to the external world; therefore, the opportunity intuition is the most intellectual of the functions of thinking. In state I, a person descends below the line of consciousness and draws answers from the depths of his intellect to paradoxical questions against which logic is powerless. Technologically intuitive stateI is an operation with visual images. Vague pictures, extracted from the subconscious, are synthesized into a sophisticated complex, which, getting denser, lights up at some moment with a bright flash of light — an intuitive guess. In a person who thinks in the I-method, the eyes freeze at an average level, and the pupils dilate. The gaze becomes unfocused.If the person can sustain state I for a long time, then in society he will take the role of an intellectual leader: a generator of ideas. I-type shows increased intellectual activity and aspires to new and complex tasks. The generator of ideas doesn’t cope well with standard, routine operations. He gives all of his energy to getting rid of them through inventing new approaches. A person in state I does not care much about people’s opinion on his proposals and projects. Through making discoveries, he satisfies his cognitive curiosity.Psychologically, in the state I the person experiences feelings connected with immersion into himself: external detachment with strong inner concentration. This condition by the psychological effect is like the breakthrough of a dam. The first stage of the intuitive processis accompanied by a painful sense of dissatisfaction: a person feels unsettled and out of sorts while bearing the idea. The idea seems to be maturing in itself, but in this slow process it is necessary to intervene so that the images can come out of the subconscious. Then the intellectual tension in one abrupt step gives way to relief and joy as the idea is finally born.At the physical level, state I turns one into a person of nonstandard behavior. He has a very expressive face: a frozen, unfocused look, strained muscles around the eyes, and lifted eyebrows form vertical folds on the forehead. The body freezes in the pose in which he was caught by anintuitive thought. Movements freeze; static is established. This continues until the moment of insight, after which the staticity is suddenly replacedby stormy, emotional dynamics. A strong physical stimulator of state I is the sensation of swimming — immersion in water or weightlessness.

    T or Ni — The state T on the intellectual level forms the most abstract type of thinking, which reflects the time-dependent global processes of the external world. The law of entropy — the steady transition from more organized forms of vital activity to more chaotic and simplified ones —underlies T-thinking. Birth, maturing, death and a new birth in other forms— this is the kind of information that occupies the human brain in this state. If in I-state a person extracts knowledge from within himself, from his subconscious layers of the psyche, then in T-state information comes from outside — from the cosmos. Thinking through the temporal intuition occurs in dynamic visual forms. The eyes thus rise upward and make small fluctuations, as if trying to follow the movement of the image.The stable state of T in the society leads to the consolidation of the informal role of the reflector. In this state, a person predicts the entire socio-psychological dynamics of the team — he is a sensitive indicator of change. In him, as in a drop of water, reflects all the bad and good that exists and will be in this group of people. The T-state person meets a contradictory combination of expectations: he carries the fate of the prophet and, at the same time, is a victim who everyone will blame for common failures. In psychological terms, the T-state is experienced as victimization(sacrifice). This state is most religiously colored, as it is imbued with the desire to be liberated from all earthly, carnal, binding spirits. In the T state,a person is drawn to the mysterious, otherworldly, transcendental. In its immoderate manifestation, it leads to hallucinations and the emergence of various mystical visions. A person with persistent T-states is most susceptible to hypnosis. Another shade of experience in the temporal intuition state is being subject to fate, the lack of free will, life at the behest of the higher forces.One of the most important signs of the T-state is the loss of sensation ofo ne’s body. In the T-state, a person does not feel any pain or carnal pleasures. The lifelessness of the body is manifested in its fragility, pallor and inner emptiness. The T-state is expressed through the postures of humility: the lowered shoulders, the pulled- in or, conversely, too elongated neck, the bowed or raised head, the general cohesion of the figure. Movement in this state is uniformly slow and smooth. It’s like a dream in real life. The eyes of a person in the T-state are very sad, like agleam of a soft, mysterious moonlight in them.

    F or Se — Cognitively, state F means perception of strength-weakness.Thinking in this state is extremely concrete, grounded, objectified. It is necessarily accompanied by muscular sensations. Thinking technology Fis most conveniently compared to probing or weighing an object. F thinking is non-verbal: it does not use words. A man who thinks by force sensation lowers his eyes down to the ground. He seems to be listening to his body. In society, a person with a persistent state of F pretends to be the force center of the group. He intervenes in the course of the group’s activities when it feels that it is necessary to accelerate, slow, or even change the direction of events. F-type as a conductor controls the group in one movement of the hand, turning the head or changing the position of the body, but he usually does not want to be in front of the group, to formally lead it. Therefore, another name for the F-role in society is an informal or shadow leader. Psychologically, the state of F is felt as complete self-confidence. Any doubts, worries, or reflections are incompatible with this state. There is a sense of mastery, wherever this person is. He has an attitude to win at any cost and has a strong nervous system and self control. The state of F rapidly mobilizes forces, preparing at any second to strike or repel a blow. All these are unambiguous psychological signs of the state F. At the physical level, this state requires a massive, full body. There is little movement, but all of them are committed firmly, in one jerk, without pauses. Notice the static posture of a man standing strong on both feet.The stare is sharp, close, and heavy. Under this stare you are being weighed, the balance of forces is assessed. Despite the solid grounding, the axis of rotation passes through the body: the state F is very dodgy: the body easily turns to either side, quickly reacting to a situation in front,behind, and from the side.

    S or Si — Intellectual activity in state S is the processing of signals coming from all senses. In the state S, a person absorbs all the influences from the outside world — sounds, smells, touches, temperature — and perceives them in a single sensory complex. The difference from the state of F is that the emphasis is on the dynamics of sensations — whether they are amplified or weakened, harmoniously combined, or come in unintentionally. In the state S the person also thinks not with words and not with pictures, but with his whole body. Steady state S leads on a social level to an informal role in the team,which is called the door-closer, or the designer. Such a person shows himself well when the external situation, perceived through the senses, is in a harmonious state. The S-type avoids activities that are accompanied by discomfort, noise, coercion, or prolonged tension of forces. Therefore, the door closer is active on an isolated section of the society. His activities, although limited, at the same time are universal and diverse: monotony and repeatability are incompatible with the state of S.At the psychological level, the state of S is experienced as pleasure,delight, saturation, satisfaction of a sense of thirst or hunger. In state S, a person expresses his feelings through concrete care, helping to satisfy biological needs. This state can be compared with the process of capturing an image in a photo, drawing a picture on paper, recording sound on magnetic tape, etc. S is the most diagnosing condition: it allows you to determine the localization of pain sensations in the body and their intensity. This state is characterized by a constant cyclic dynamic, the filling and emptying of hollow organs and vessels with a circulating substrate. Physically, state S is recognized by a soft and relaxed body, a comfortable position, in which the body area is maximally in contact with the support surface. In state S, uniform physiologically conditioned processes in the body — breathing, circulation, heat waves — are noticeable. Gestures are mean and precise, but at the same time smooth,without tension. Facial expressions are associated with a contraction of taste muscles located around the mouth and nose. On the face is imprinted pleasure or displeasure, enjoyment or disgust.

    P or Te — The state of business logic in the intellectual sense is prudence,evaluation of benefits, and thinking through the appropriate methods of action. Thinking in the P-state proceeds in the form of verbal reasoning using the formula “if-then.” Long chains of cause-effect are built. The grammar of such speech is rather poor, but the speech itself is dynamic and differs lexically, easily conveying the developing processes.At the social level, the long-held P-state generates the informal role of the group’s engine. The fact is that in a P-state, a person cannot sit idle; he is constantly in some kind of gainful activity. It is impossible to rest near a person in the P-state. With his laboring rhythm, he unwittingly includes everyone who communicates with him at close range. For this reason, working groups nominate such people as official leaders. The second side of the P role in the team is the formal leader. Psychologically, the communicative aspect of P generates a state of motor excitation, a thirst for useful activity. In the P-state, a person experiences an increase in efficiency, becoming energetic and purposeful.This condition is very energy-consuming, so the person staying in it is nervous and often unrestrained. Any distraction from work is perceived by him as a useless waste of time, a loss.The P-state is physically a fast movement with a uniformly adjusted rhythm. The contractions and relaxations of the muscles are subordinated to the same goal. They are produced in one direction, so in this state the person is rather inflexible and inept. Entering the P-state, a person is completely given to it and turns into a kind of a productive mechanism. It is difficult to get out of it right away. After gaining inertia, the muscles continue to rhythmically contract and the limbs move. The more intense the work, the more time it takes to recover.

    L or Ti — On an intellectual level, the L-dimension means the construction of schemes, structures, and classifications. This kind of logic pursues the goal of the correctness and proportionality of proportions instead of efficiency and profitability. Thinking in category L, a person compares one object with another according to various criteria and places it in the corresponding cell of the classification table. L-thinking is a short,extremely tight language and definition. The law of structural and logical thinking is the minimum of vocabulary (meaningful words) and the maximum of grammar (official words, prepositions, conjunctions,particles, introductory phrases).State L leads to an informal role in the team: that of a systematizer or an expert. It is expressed in making objective, disinterested judgments on any issue of life. A person in the state of L is prone to isolation within the group, to action according to written and unwritten norms and rules that exist in its framework. The second side of the L-role is the judge. People turn to such a person for his maximum objectivity when it is needed to soberly judge this or that controversial case. Psychologically, the person in the L-state is distinguished by coolness and indifference. In this state, there are no feelings and subjective predilections. Figuratively, this state can be likened to a block of ice or the geometric regularity of a crystal of some mineral. This is the least psychological state, since it has absolutely no soul or human warmth, but on the other hand, it is the most balanced and stable. This is a state of obedience, diligence and discipline. At the physical level, for a person in state L, the almost complete absence of manifestation of life is characteristic. His immobility resembles a statue: the body is straight and fixed, and the eyes are dull and do not express anything. Body movements are minimized. They fulfill the rule “one body organ, one function,” that is, they only take with a hand, walk with their feet, and eat with their mouths. Operations are carried out discretely with a noticeable fixation of the beginning and the end.

    E or Fe — Being in a state of emotional arousal, a person loses the objective rigor of his judgments and plunges into the stormy element of subjective preferences and feelings. His consciousness makes very partial assessments, which are just an expression of the value of an object or person for himself. The thought process in this case takes the form of speech, rich in intonations, fast in pace and lengthy in verbal filling. Thinking proceeds as a dialogue with a real or fictional interlocutor. A person in state E claims the social role of an emotional entrant. On a team he pays attention to the mood of people and actively influences those who deviate from the general level of emotions of the group. The task of an emotional entrant, depending on the situation, is to raise everyone’s spirits, cheer or inspire, or cause negative emotions, unpleasantly offend, or agitate. After completing the task of emotional involvement, the E-type switches to external communication, tying connections in other collectives and assessing the state of affairs in them. This side of the informal role of the person in state E is called resource exploration. Psychologically, the state of E is expressed as a person’s strong desire or passion. It can spill out in the form of stormy joy or inconsolable grief. Instate E, you feel the other person’s emotions as if they were your own.This is the essence of the process of empathy, which is so necessary for a practicing psychologist. The state of E is rational. It is realized by the person, but it is very difficult to manage. Passion, whether joy or sorrow,is always one-sided: it concentrates all the psychic resources of a person on one object and deprives him of the opportunity of choice. The physical signs of a person immersed in the state of E are well recognized. These are widely-flared burning eyes, rich facial expressions,rapid and expressive gestures, randomly gusting movements, and a change in face color (redness or blanching). The ability to enter state E is necessary for everyone who works on stage or speaks to an audience. Emotional expressiveness of the actor or speaker is the main means of influencing the audience.

    R or Fi — The intellectual and communicative aspect of R is manifested as veiled, hidden estimates. Arguing in R-form, this person is afraid to admit to himself that he prefers one object to another. In this state, a choice is made between two completely equivalent options in terms of logic. There is another strategy of R-thinking: a conscious choice of the opposite of what we really want. Thus, R-judgments are rational, or they have their own cause, even if it is hidden, but absolutely illogical. At the social level, a person in the state of R is able to play the informal role of the harmonizer in the team. His actions are aimed at maintaining a warm and friendly psychological climate, smooth out acute angles, and reconcile people. A person performing an R-role does not appear as a judge or resolver of conflicting opposites, but as their conciliator. He can calm people down and relieve emotional tension. Personal commitment in this case, of course, does not disappear, but is carefully hidden. Psychologically, the state of R is experienced as an inner attraction to someone or something as a deep affection. It is interesting that this condition is not emotional. There is no expression in it, but there is a long term dependence of the moral and ethical nature. The state of R is a guarantee of loyalty in a relationship. It is like the arrow of a compass,which, in any attempt to turn its body, returns to its native northern direction. Thanks to R, we perceive people, places and times as our own, native or as strangers, alien. Physically, the state R is very difficult to identify precisely because in itt he true relationship is hidden either for indifference or for the opposite. It can be detected by subtle discrepancies and minor disruptions in ordinary communication. His voice trembles slightly, his complexion changes, his eyelids flutter and take their usual position: all these are reliable signals of relationships. Indirectly manifested sympathies-antipathies, attraction to or repulsion from a person, accompanied by a slight inner excitement, physically indicate that you are observing the state of R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    true to beta values \o where I go the firestorm follows! *evil grin* This is nothing new tbh.. brace for impact, the beta rebellion has arrived! FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

    LOL, you are pretty tame from what I can tell. But thanks for sharing all the useful information. From that information, EIE still seems to fit best. Negativist (deconstructing issues and trying to find solutions), rational (liking conclusions/decisions on things), dynamic, and Fe- (I don't mind making a disruption in the environment if I see it as better for the long-term).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
    LOL, you are pretty tame from what I can tell. But thanks for sharing all the useful information. From that information, EIE still seems to fit best. Negativist (deconstructing issues and trying to find solutions), rational (liking conclusions/decisions on things), dynamic, and Fe- (I don't mind making a disruption in the environment if I see it as better for the long-term).
    All I'll say is, "It's always the quiet ones".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vex View Post
    All I'll say is, "It's always the quiet ones".
    Yes I know The scary ones always are @Vex
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    And I was joking around with you @shotgunfingers. You go around the forum saying how controversial you are a lot when most of your opinions seem well-thought out and relatively normal. People around here just seem to have strong opinions about different elements of the theory. I keep expecting you to say that you are a closet furry or something. If what you say online is controversial, you must be a saint in real life.

    But I will leave you alone... I just thought you were interesting... That was all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
    And I was joking around with you @shotgunfingers. You go around the forum saying how controversial you are a lot when most of your opinions seem well-thought out and relatively normal. People around here just seem to have strong opinions about different elements of the theory. I keep expecting you to say that you are a closet furry or something. If what you say online is controversial, you must be a saint in real life.

    But I will leave you alone... I just thought you were interesting... That was all.
    idk, I'm kind of normal compared to most ppl on the site.
    e_e I think I have developed an aversion to ppl who self type as EIE.. to me its just codeword for "I have some cluster B personality problems and I'll saddle you with them. You must figure me out and accept all that garbage."

    Nu-uh.. "EIE"s need to just get their shit together and leave me alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    idk, I'm kind of normal compared to most ppl on the site.
    e_e I think I have developed an aversion to ppl who self type as EIE.. to me its just codeword for "I have some cluster B personality problems and I'll saddle you with them. You must figure me out and accept all that garbage."

    Nu-uh.. "EIE"s need to just get their shit together and leave me alone.
    Interesting... yeah. I was commenting on your normalcy...in a joking way. Sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences with self-typed EIEs. I had to deal with some parallel issues with LSIs so I can understand that. I think only a small percentage of duality dynamics really work out in the end.

    Just to be clear, I have never had a personality disorder. Lol i have never had any actual issues with you... Just got a little butt hurt over the whole EII typing weirdness. I officially got finalized with an IEI typing by Jack... During the second session, he definitively saw me as beta quadra and IEI. Something seemed off about me being irrational so I went back to EIE. There's nothing wrong with either EII and IEI objectively though.

    I hope you do find more constructive EIEs who you resonate with in addition to suspiria!

    EDIT: i did take G's test online and got EII, high on rationality but something like 12-10 on introversion/extroversion... Cutting it close.
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    Is Model G yet another attempt to map IEs to specific behaviours without having a plausible system concept - somewhat like making rabbit stews without rabbits. There's an old student tactic: if one has no new insight then rearrange the original information and feed it back to them with different labels.

    a.k.a. I/O

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