The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
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If you check Miasma’s record it’s not difficult to find a proclivity for comments intended to cause of at least some kind of effect on the reader with their excess, injected in promptu in an otherwise more or less serious discussion; a trait more proper to EIE-C than ILE-C.* What you might be noticing as lacking is Normalizing style of ‘human’ interaction but Creative subtype might be behind what you perceive in his case: it’s not just that C subtype feels interactions like N but decides it’s not for him in the end. Extreme internal concentration blocks the outside (people including) to the extent that it becomes foreign. Miasma might’ve stayed away from some topics associated with interaction because he simply had nothing to offer, feeling greatly removed from them. It’s a paradox of some ethicals, similar to IEI-C: arguably the most charming subtype and the most severed from the way of the workings of established codes at the same time.
*I chose ILE-C to compare him to because Creative subtype is a kind of a given for him, IMO. ILE-C is described as somewhat lacking in outward social grace and, when they want to be funny, they might tell a joke. EIE- C’s manner of communication (their humor is more developed than in ILEs) shows a marked tendency to give their account a “shade of sensationalism or drama” and their jokes appear more often and suddenly. The following are some comments by him that took me some seconds to find and which are common in his case when he disrupts any given thread:
-Normie, because I'm toilet trained.
-Who has a giant cactus in his ass. Just kidding - I wanted to get in his mindset.
-somehow I see ILIs as cabin in the woods sort of peeps but cabin in the rain forest might be a better fit.
-Tell me your deepest thoughts about your dictator who has poisoned politicians in opposition, put protestors in a jail, probably conducted numerous false flag operations against the citizens, started…
-It is perplexing to listen. Big picture: you will die anyway, you will be forgotten, you gain…
-According to Strati ILE waits for public execution. I have certainly executed some ESIs publicly.
And there are many more. Probably one per every other thread at some point. I’m not arguing in favor of his EIE typing as truth carved in stone. But someone who has been around and has come across Miasma’s interventions knows they show slightly greater absurdity than average. Such imagery comes from a fantasizing nature in the production of situations and in humor as a consequence, and if ILE-Cs showed this tendency to the degree and rate Miasma does their profile would make mention of it as characteristic. They don't, but this same tendency is heavily highlighted as characteristic of EIE-Cs as it's the basis for their showmanship, whether they know it or not (even the choices he makes when he changes nicknames fit EIE-C's unpredictable humor better than ILE-C). Make of that what you will.
Last edited by Rusal; 04-28-2022 at 06:34 AM.
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Is a common mistake assuming that Gulenko types people according to Model A?
People say Model G conflicts with Model A, but I see no contradiction. They are not different systems as suggested. Different socionists can have different opinions about how IE can represent themselves in terms of behavior. So G's opinions can clash with some for sure, I find G's takes more suitable to our times, but in terms of model alone, there is no contradiction, he just took something and turned into a different shape by adding other features like Reinen and Talanov. I also don't see them conflicting with the original model.
I explained it under this thread.
https://socioniks.net/en/article/?id=119Originally Posted by Rusal;1513134[COLOR=#333333
Functional state E - ethics of emotionsbolded part seems to describe my thought process.Thinking proceeds as a dialogue with a real or imagined interlocutor.
also this https://socioniks.net/en/article/?id=126 and this
https://socioniks.net/en/article/?id=121
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EIEs being bad at Fi is an expected thing since Fi is ignoring function. This is again not about solely G. I type one of my ex managers as EIE and she had no friends expect SEE manager. And they become friends through a common enemy another SEE before both become manager. Now everyone is working at separate places.
EIE manager was both liked and hated by majority. But she was very lonely so much that I think she made people overworked sometimes just so she can be with others. Sometimes she could ask if we want to do something, but she was unsure and shying away from asking without looking shy so it was one of her ways to ask this without asking at times like implying she is hungry etc, so maybe one of us would say yeah lets eat at this place.
I met with lots of different EIEs at workplaces, I don't think they all suck as much at Fi compared to her. But generally speaking they are bad at maintaining relationships (Si'ing Fi) basically. So eventhough people can come and go through their lives, they don't know or do much to keep people stay in. In comparison, IEIs and LSIs are generally have friends that they talk over the years regardless sharing the same environment.
What I meant to say is that this is not a thing that necessarily overrides ITR, but not every dual is going to get along or dualize with each other at the moment they laid eyes on each other.
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You're all incompetent
I joined the forum hoping I could get something useful out of it, but I was wrong. A lot of you have been here for a decade yet you can't get basic things right, which made me realise this forum is pretty much useless for anyone who's serious about Socionics. I didn't learn shit. If anything, reading terrible takes here has done me more harm than good and slowed my learning process. Cling to your delusions and keep happily mistyping each other if that's what you want. I don't care about your life stories either. To me and some others you'll always be the laughing stock of this community, along with places like PDB. You're not any better, even if you think so. I'll be reading and discussing Socionics somewhere else.
Goodbye, this has been a waste of time and I won't miss you!
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So like is Gulenko still doing typings from his emergency bunker or what? I need to support him by getting a typing so I can virtue signal.
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And @Eudaemonia . Twinsies!
I might have to ask you to refer me to a misanthropist in my case, but thanks anyways!That was free, I'm a philanthropist as well as a doctor.
It seems to create some kind of brain damage similar to the effects of indoctrination when used for long periods of time (like in the game Mass Effect). It's possible that advanced users of it are retarded in some way (myself included; side note/edit: the more they know about it, the more they act like a retard, and not in the fun way).
Upon intensive investigation, I basically found it to be a very advanced prototypical iteration of r/shittyMBTI but with a lot more nuance.
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Oh that sounds pretty bad! I liked Mass Effect though.
Sort of explains why there are so many people with previous experience in cults, information starvation, strict authoritarian cultures, and traumatizing events on here. The trauma bonding, fawn response and complacency is strong!
So is there any magic pill to save us all from permanent retardation? Things are getting bleak here.
If I were Gulenko I would only offer guaranteed typings to those who visit me in irl. You go into his bunker cave in the Ukraine and play rock paper scissors with him, and if you win, he types you as LSI and lets you leave. If you lose, he throws you into a dungeon with Putin, Lolita and other fire breathing demons on the other side, and allows you to rot in your demise.
Just want to tell everyone my new typology service is open. I accept Steam gift cards and BTC. 10$ a pop, I'll even dox and stalk people for you for an additional 5$.
Alex got typed by Gulenko. EIE.
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Extroverted Ethics is definitely on display, no question. Less grounded/in the moment than what (I imagine) something like an ESE would be. EIE, from what I’ve heard, can often mistype as IEI because they typically do enjoy a lot of introverted activities (reading books, etc.). Both types apparently can be quite focused on intellectual pursuits in another sense.Originally Posted by Rusal
Anyway, seems like a pretty cool guy.