I work with a lot of SLI and their idea of an adventure is a trip with a bike and a coffee or beer with a friend. many of them spend their time playing train or truck simulator, taking photos of planes etc. the german stereotype of boring efficiency probably comes from the fact that we have so many people with this type in technical positions. when I talk with SLE they usually tell me how they once slept with 19 girls in a month (without me asking them about this information).
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
Originally Posted by thehotelambush
Yes, this is Si vs Se. Because the sensing is introverted in Si it is not dependent on outside adventure. But if one could observe the sensing of the Si in the same way as we see the Se engaging in the world, the result would be that both types have experienced as much at the end of the day, but one on the inside and the other on the outside.
Of course everyone needs real adventure, so in that way even SLI (and SEIs) need to learn to expand.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I think that's a plenty of adventure compared to LSI document office. They also might like runing in nature. Sounds pretty extreme to me - considerable body load.
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So, Gulenko typed Suspiria as EIE.
He typed thegreenfaerie as LSI.
These two forum members are DUALS.
Now just think that people used to say how alike me and Faerie were. Hence, we are identicals. Yeah, no.
I have spoken to her on various occasions, and I still do. We are similar, yes, but visibly different once you get past the superficiality of the first glance or the second encounter.
You must pierce a lot of layers if you want to type someone, and you must ask the right questions.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
Do you agree that you guys are duals?Now just think that people used to say how alike me and Faerie were
I have spoken to her on various occasions, and I still do. We are similar, yes, but visibly different once you get past the superficiality of the first glance or the second encounter.
You must pierce a lot of layers if you want to type someone, and you must ask the right questions.
Although it feels a bit unfair and one-sided to answer without Fae chiming in, from my position it looks like this: we have nights out where we rob plushie shops and I take photos for her Instagram stories while she lets me fire AK-47s like a nutcase in the back of her American rover.
Me and Fae have debated our types for a whole year. We got to the bottom of each other quite viscerally in some aspects, and one of them is emotionality. She did say last year, around January I think, that I am by far more "emotional" than she is (context being that we have voice-chatted pretty often). That's also when she was preeeetty terrified to hear that I can simply strike conversations with strangers on the train about philosophy and how easily I maimed my body as a kid ;p
Pleasantly terrified.
My personal typing of faerie was EII, but my allegiances were leaning more towards ESI or even LII, since I noticed in her patterns an approach that was very similar to another LII girl I used to know, as of late. One thing that I was, and still am sure of, is her IJ temperament, unequivocally.
I saw Gulenko's analysis of her, word for word. From my humble, outsider, worm-eye view, I think he got her pinned down very well. The typing, as well as Gulenko's reasoning for having her as an LSI-H, may seem odd to some at first, but I assure everyone that they are far, far from being absurd.
@dead account, I remember you, it's sweet to see you're back in our cathouse! I think EIE makes a lot more sense at the moment than even IEI, to be honest. There has always been something that, to me, felt off-tempo about being IEI, and I sort of embraced it as a surrogate-sociotype for the psychological abyss that I couldn't fill. I think that growing up in a town as lively as roadkill carcass had that effect on me. I led myself to believe that I am a social introvert because it extinguished and abolished any hope or expectation I had.
Except it didn't work like that. Desires and nature cannot be erased, only repressed. And the moment I self-exiled myself to university in a foreign country, between jagged hills and a new possibility of expression, I unleashed myself. I started being that someone who truly makes me whole. There was a blank canvas all around me, and I started to craft and paint the vision I truly had of myself, without the residue of limitations that I had back home.
Come think of it: I bitch and moan about not having enough human contact, constantly. I want to be adored, but how I go about this goal right now is a bit trickier. This quarantine has hit me harder than I would have imagined it would ever hit me. I have been constantly putting myself in situations that my 17-year old self wouldn't have imagined at the time. In that sense, I fractured my chrysalis.
But I still do not think I am a butterfly ; )
If you wish, I can refer you to Gulenko's full analysis of myself, or even my videos. I do not consider anything there personal enough for it to be stashed away for all eternity in shame. Perhaps in two to three years when I will log in to my YouTube channel and will have joined a Psychosophy cult that requires me to erase all ties to socionics, but until then, I do not see that happening.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
hmm I'm not sure if me seeing another video would help you all that much. in the end, you'll have to decide for yourself which type you are. I personally feel that IEI is probably the type that I recognize the best, since many of my online friends who are into abstract art have this type and my intuition has an easier time recognizing some patterns of behaviour. I admire your type from a distance, probably because of the benefit dynamic. IEI's are the ones that inspire me the most. out of the 762 examples of my typing gallery, 144 are IEI.
http://soziotypen.de/die-16-soziotyp...r/iei-lyriker/
listening to mozart, reading dostoevsky, watching tarkovsky films, all these artists had a huge influence on my life. I feel like I said what I wanted to say about your potential type.
not sure if I'm going to stick around on this website but you were one of the more interesting people on here.
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
Did you really get a EII typing, sbbds?
of course not LOL
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Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
EII-D
no way
Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
How is this “of course not”? You should see his in-depth logical analysis of me.
I prefer to rely on my intuition in this case
Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
Your intuition is shit. Gulenko would probably type you as a dum sensor.
And even if you WERE correct.... I paid good money to counteract your intuition and your opinion is secondary to His.
Si is internalized sensory information and rooted in the memory of sensing the experience (like the sights, sounds, touch, etc.), not the experience itself (experience itself and present experience is Se). Si doesn’t care about effecting anything (as opposed to Se), because it basically operates via routines. You can’t have memory and automation aka homeostasis if you didn’t have repetition (to establish routines). Now, the issue is how people perceive routine as “boring” and not “adventurous” because Si itself is not adverse to something just because it could be exciting or dangerous or whatever. If an Si person grew up in a family that values doing Indiana Jones type of stuff, they’ve been exposed doing that sort of thing/familiar with “adventure,” then that’s what gives them “homeostasis.” From an outsider POV, someone who goes “adventuring” doesn’t make them Se over Si. And for the record, my LSE uncle and SEI cousins love going “adventuring” out in the wilderness and camp in all sorts of places. They love doing extreme survival shit with no phones and hunt and fish and all that. Whereas for me, Se lead, I can’t fucking stand that shit and find it boring. And it’s not because I haven’t tried it, I’ve done it a handful of times with them growing up and several times as family get together as adults. Me not liking their idea of “adventure” doesn’t turn me into Si nor does it make them Se.
The point of socionics is not to assign actions as indicative of type but to understand why a person’s reasoning lead to them committing the action. You need context.
The “SLE” who slept with 19 chicks in month and brags about it isn’t SLE because he’s promiscuous or brags about it. He could be any type. What’s missing is the context behind the reasoning for such information to come out anyway. Anyone could be promiscuous but their reasoning will differ.
This is not entirely correct. Si has nothing to do with routines, and it is not about memory. You're right it's not about the experience itself (Se). But instead it's about the inner psychic impression. But not memory. Si is just as irrational as Se, but mostly hidden.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
“Psychic” impressions creates memories. Memories don’t just come out of nowhere, and homeostasis cannot be achieved without repetition (memory).
Anything can create memories. That doesn't mean that it is connected to Si. I have no idea why people mention memories with Si, maybe because of MBTI.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Well if that’s an indirect suggestion that I’m going off of MBTi then you’re wrong. I made no mention of such. And you didn’t explain what Si is and how it manifest. If you say I’m wrong, then give me adequate explanation as to why my understanding and analysis of Si is wrong, not just say it’s psychic impressions because really? Wtf does that even mean?
Well what is a psychic impression but a recorded memory?
The way I experience Si and Se is really not that similar, other than the fact that they are both about what is immediately present.
I partly agree, repetition/habituation is a natural part of Si, and you can have more low-key and solitary types of adventures like the example you mentioned. But certain activities are more demanding or intense by their nature. (The promiscuous lifestyle being one of them.)
The memory stuff is MBTI though tbh
Promiscuous lifestyle won’t exclude Si. I’m friends with 4 Alpha SFs who whore around (their body count is well is over 100) while fantasizing that they’ll get a good husband out of all of this (and they want to fix him and have him totally depend on them).
Repetition creates memory, and automation/routine comes from it. It’s not from MBTI, that’s just what I think makes sense. What is repetition if not memory?
You said
"Si is internalized sensory information and rooted in the memory of sensing the experience (like the sights, sounds, touch, etc.), not the experience itself (experience itself and present experience is Se)."
that's what I disagree with - Si is seeking a directly apparent experience - one which is pleasant and possibly, though not necessarily, familiar. Something can be pleasant and familiar or it can be pleasant and new.
Once you find a pleasant experience you can "settle into it" and do it on a regular basis to satisfy a need - like sustenance, rest, recreation, whatever. Needs naturally occur in cycles which leads to repetition.
But Si isn’t direct experience, that’s Se. Si is focused on its impressions caused by object's attributes and its impressions are not readily visible in concrete reality, which is indirect. Si establish homeostasis gained from the knowledge of the gathered impression, which is the “memory” data of the object.
Jung said about Si:
Subjective sensation apprehends the background of the physical world rather than its surface. The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor.
Si types are creatures of habit hotel, get over it. maybe they move around and take in lots of experiences, impressions, but the habits of Si are there.
They are very different. My point here is that Si types sense as much as an Se type. You just can't see it on the outside, the person seems passive "he just sits and stares". But he is only passive on the outside. This is pretty important in understanding and giving proper credit to Si (although Si is indeed often useless)
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
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my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
I still think baboooshka is an IEI haha
https://youtu.be/QYEC4TZsy-Y
my ideas about socionics:
https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/
this is a VI thread with IEI examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)
and this is a thread with EIE examples
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples
Where the hell people get that Gulenko typed faerie as LSI other than one SLE saying that she is LSI and then another SLE coming to a conclusion she is LSI typed by Gulenko?
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Cuz she actually listed it in her about me info?Where the hell people get that Gulenko typed faerie as LSI other than one SLE saying that she is LSI and then another SLE coming to a conclusion she is LSI typed by Gulenko?
I don't see anything other than a type anyway which seems wuteva statement wheter she wants to have a truth behind it or not. So, no comments.
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Suspiria mentioned it in the shoutbox a few days ago. He’s also saying he’s read Gulenko’s assessment of her.
I agree that we shouldn’t comment in any more depth without her present.
Please understand that when Jung wrote about Si he was trying to explain why some people seem more ‘aloof’ to reality. Hence why someone could still appear unrelated to objects in a passive way on a camping trip even if it’s their first time out camping. Cognitively we can discuss Si or Se if we split hairs, but it would miss the mark of what Jung was trying to say.
Sicuramente cercherai il significato di questo.
Gulenko has typed me as an LSI-C.
I can't counter his analysis, because it is pretty accurate.
Last edited by Ave; 02-08-2022 at 01:03 PM.
This is interesting. I'd compare the consistency of different sources, then look at timeslines of occurences and trends and try to see what is happening, who drives the machinery. I'd never be satisfied with an answer that has contradictions because right there lies a potential for new discovery. Many times people obfusticate information to huge piles which seems to serve a purpose for the current moment. Which is totally fine if you do not want universally applicaple answers and just continue but at the same time calling it as a truth is a HERESY but an answer/a key is fine if you need a functional solution.
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Interesting, I get what you are saying, to tie this back into typings by Dr. G, he himself says it is preferable to be typed by several professionals in one's lifetime.
Getting a typing like this is, I will admit, submitting to an authority in a way, but also it's not ignoring others have can have different typings - different models and different methodology. But I think it is important to have sound methodology, and not just say "I get LII vibes, because they like Star Wars" or some shit like that, which is frankly what goes on in this forum, but even more so on facebook socionics groups, anyone who is a member of WSS's facebook group can see how many amateurish posts there are by members on there (otoh, Jack makes very well thought out posts, as do Timur and a few others, I am talking about the regular members who are more or less "having fun"). This isn't an insult on anyone, though, but if you had to fix your computer, would you call someone who simply read a book and has no experience, or someone who has the experience and has methodology etc? Not all opinions have the same weight, which is not say anyone is infalliable.
Last edited by Ave; 02-07-2022 at 12:01 AM.
Idk tbh, this exploit is just confirming my bias for Gulenko's bias. some days ago I told to Suspi that he can't recognize deltas well, to which he replied he was waiting for G' typing of his delta friend (I guess he meant greenfaerie) and here it is.. but seriously it seems quite off to type her a beta st lol, but right, we can't counter anything coz big authority said so... ugghhh
Agreed. I think that something is very wrong if people are being made to feel like they need to have some official typing in their profile, and they need to set aside their intuitions about who they are even if they are vastly different from their own.
The entire point (or most of it) of typology is self-discovery. I don’t think people should be encouraged to pay someone else to tell them who/what they are or what to think. Someone watching your video or interacting with you for 2 hours and then who never talks to you again is not going to know who you are better than yourself unless you have psychotic levels of low self-awareness. It’s part of the fun and usefulness of socionics to try to figure out the system for yourself and use it in your own life. Even if someone gets typed “professionally” correctly, they wouldn’t learn how to do that.
Honestly I think part of this is a high off of being analyzed while not being criticized. If people are made to feel good, the logic connecting it to the system will seem more sound. I agree that it’s a useful tool for seeing how one comes across semi-superficially to certain people’s opinions though.
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