2020 Disunited States of America Election

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Who're your enemies? People who aren't Trump supporters? Which of them desire you die horrifically?

Well, try to see it from my end. See, the "woke" crowd didn't say shit when BLM and other such people were literally burning down their own towns and cities. Indeed, they said that "we should listen to their grievances" or "Try to understand why they're doing this" and other such absolute BS. Really? What about ours? Oh right, our "grievances" are the result of our "privileges" being "challenged" by what amounts to all the facets of polite society, academia, and our federal fucking government. If you can't see even in theory the absolute BS emanating from those faux moralistic prognostications I have nothing more to say to you. This sentiment is shared by them, but for the wrong reasons and from exactly opposed doctrines. People like me want to convince others I'm right. However, if those I want to convince view my attempts at peace as declarations of war well... I can't fix that.

This is something most of the "woke" crowd fail to grasp because of their critical and absolute lack of introspection. As I am fond of thought experiments, piece this one out. Why would a group of conservatives, actual conservatives mind you not MKULTRA wind up toys, storm the damn capital building? They know that's the dumb thing to do but I mean fuck, what other option is there now? If they're essentially going to throw us and ours into reeducation camps at the very least we ought to fight it correct?

I've said one thing about the holocaust time and again every time I was asked about my position on it: "The worst mistake the Jews made was getting on those trains without so much as a single fight"

What we're all about to collectively witness is the fact that that particular mistake will not be repeated here. Americans are a people who have maxed out Individuality and totally minimalized "power distance" as a matter of personal pride and the reality of their own national myth. I mean hell, can you imagine any other nation that would "frag" their "commanders" and take pride in the fact they originated the term? I wonder if the spineless cowards we call leaders will dare to test these particular conclusions of mine... Much dark humor is to be had imagining the multitude of scenarios where we did frag our pussy ass commander and the top brass didn't dare to ask to many questions.

Privates and Non-coms. Woe betide any pompous general/commander who disdains them!

@End do you really think that you rust-belt / coal-belt / dixie boys would win a civil war? The first time around, your side wasn't industrialized. The second time around.... your side isn't industrialized.

Counterpoint: Who currently grows and delivers to your door all your food City Dweller? Another one: Look at an election map by county from 2016 and 2020. Seeing a pattern genius? I'm seeing a ruling class/colonizers besieged. Y'know, dots of blue literally surrounded by oceans of red. You're a noble in their castle who assumes you can rule without the consent of those lowly serfs you rule over.

Can you grow all that food by yourself in your little castle. With a proper solar farm, aquaponics setup, and a myriad of other things I know about and desire to put into practice one day? Yes. Can you right now without my help?

I'd bet No and you can bet the likes of me know that. Back in the Civil War 1.0 days most of the Northerner's were perfectly able to transition back into being rural farmers if "industry" fell through. I can quiz you on a few things I bet will prove you're not even capable of managing a backyard garden without resorting to Google.

I am glad that resourse exists because that means some people will be able to recall that vital knowledge, but honestly, you're denigrating the people you rely on. We grow your food, we drive your ambulances/trucks, we connect your calls. And, most hilariously of all, when the "MAGA" crowd stormed the Capital Building, your side begged for the National Guard to come in and obliterate those who, if they were BLM or ANTIFA, you'd say we ought to "listen" to. Which, by the by, only responded because Orange "funny mustache man" told them to. Process that will you?

I said it above. Get a gun, get out of the cities, stock up on a ready source of calories, and don't get in our way. I do care for those who hate me, I only wish they'd at least feign to return the favor...

[xerx]

Counterpoint: Who currently grows and delivers to your door all your food City Dweller? Another one: Look at an election map by county from 2016 and 2020. Seeing a pattern genius? I'm seeing a ruling class/colonizers besieged. Y'know, dots of blue literally surrounded by oceans of red. You're a noble in their castle who assumes you can rule without the consent of those lowly serfs you rule over.

Can you grow all that food by yourself in your little castle. With a proper solar farm, aquaponics setup, and a myriad of other things I know about and desire to put into practice one day? Yes. Can you right now without my help?

I'd bet No and you can bet the likes of me know that. Back in the Civil War 1.0 days most of the Northerner's were perfectly able to transition back into being rural farmers if "industry" fell through. I can quiz you on a few things I bet will prove you're not even capable of managing a backyard garden without resorting to Google.

I am glad that resourse exists because that means some people will be able to recall that vital knowledge, but honestly, you're denigrating the people you rely on. We grow your food, we drive your ambulances/trucks, we connect your calls. And, most hilariously of all, when the "MAGA" crowd stormed the Capital Building, your side begged for the National Guard to come in and obliterate those who, if they were BLM or ANTIFA, you'd say we ought to "listen" to. Which, by the by, only responded because Orange "funny mustache man" told them to. Process that will you?

I said it above. Get a gun, get out of the cities, stock up on a ready source of calories, and don't get in our way. I do care for those who hate me, I only wish they'd at least feign to return the favor...

The United States is a highly urbanized country (as are all developed countries), and the majority of Americans live in those 'dots of blue'. The majority of commerce is conducted there, without which you wouldn't be able to export your produce to anyone. Most of the tools that you use were designed there. Without city dwellers, would you know how to build a combustion engine for your tractor? Would you be able to design a GPS satellite from scratch? Do you know how to make insulin?

I'm not denigrating you, and there's no need for the defensiveness. I have a great deal of respect and concern for rural people, who are in fact badly overlooked by the modern political economy. I have a bit of a puritanical streak myself, prefer certain rural attitudes towards self-dependence, and intend to retire to a farm in the countryside.

If anything, people like me are the ones trying to get your industry to come back from being offshored. There are different factions of mutually-antagonistic city dwellers because cities are highly complex societies—they're not a Neoliberal monolith intending to suck the blood of every poor farmer. That said, it's clear that much of the tension between rural and urban areas is over cultural rather than economic differences, with religion playing an important role.

[xerx]

@End What I implied is that your threats of civil war are neither very credible nor particularly threatening. Even if you somehow enlisted enough oddball individuals to join this futile crusade, mounting an insurrection against the American army will go very badly for you.

You are outspoken, I'll give you that, but dogged outspokenness isn't enough to change the power disparity between you and the government.

[End]

@End What I implied is that your threats of civil war are neither very credible nor particularly threatening. Even if you somehow enlisted enough oddball individuals to join this futile crusade, mounting an insurrection against the American army will go very badly for you.

You are outspoken, I'll give you that, but dogged outspokenness isn't enough to change the power disparity between you and the government.

Who do you think the grand majority of privates, non-coms, and anyone of Captain or lesser commissioned rank voted for? They are the ones with actual skin in the game. It is they who will actually fight the war. There is damn good reason they tend to call everyone else in the military REMF's. Rear. Echelon. Mother. Fuckers. There's a fundamental disconnect between the logistics/command and the fighting aspect of a war.

Now, those of us who are outside of that can tell you that the logistic side is what wins the war (and why I'm telling you my side is advantaged as we make the food you kind of need to live by the by), but good luck convincing a man or woman who is dodging bullets, bayonets, artillery bombardments, and all the other horrors of combat that some dickwad in the rear has it quite as hard as they do. Children study tactics and men study logistics, but you can't really fault that difference of perception. The "kids" get to see their best friends turned into piles of goo. Yeah, I'd rebel against them too and damn the logic. Frank the tank got liquified because of your BS priorities! Fuck you!

You are a REMF, and I respect the work you do, but I'm also one of the few that actually can and will. And then there's the last thing that actually screws you over. Like I said, who makes the food? We may export food to you, but imagine we decided to NOT do that. Y'know, just because, for reasons. Like I said above in regards to the first Civil War. The population of the north still had the knowledge and ability to go right back to being farmers. Now? I mean, I believe the CHAZ gave me all the reason I need to not fear the cities at all here. 6 inches of soil heaped upon cardboard with plants still in their plastic pots and they thought yeah that'll work.

If you question how and why dark ages happen, how civilizations can forget mission critical knowledge, I rest my case on that one. People in the cities have literally forgotten how basic bitch agriculture/plants work! That makes them the bitches of the MAGA crowd and, as we haven't forgotten what your side/the MSM had to say around May where D.C. was literally on fire? Yeah, get fucked. Pass a witch test or starve. At least we'd grant you a mercy you'd gladly refuse us...

[mu4]

The United States is a highly urbanized country (as are all developed countries), and the majority of Americans live in those 'dots of blue'. The majority of commerce is conducted there, without which you wouldn't be able to export your produce to anyone. Most of the tools that you use were designed there. Without city dwellers, would you know how to build a combustion engine for your tractor? Would you be able to design a GPS satellite from scratch? Do you know how to make insulin?

I'm not denigrating you, and there's no need for the defensiveness. I have a great deal of respect and concern for rural people, who are in fact badly overlooked by the modern political economy. I have a bit of a puritanical streak myself, prefer certain rural attitudes towards self-dependence, and intend to retire to a farm in the countryside.

If anything, people like me are the ones trying to get your industry to come back from being offshored. There are different factions of mutually-antagonistic city dwellers because cities are highly complex societies—they're not a Neoliberal monolith intending to suck the blood of every poor farmer. That said, it's clear that much of the tension between rural and urban areas is over cultural rather than economic differences, with religion playing an important role.

I don't think a rural revolution is possible in a industrial society, and it takes a long time before a society devolves into a situation where any sort of revolution is possible. But it is this very failure of revolution and radical reform that makes fascism possible. And this is what happened to the highly cultured societies of Germany, Italy, Japan you could say it was indeed this great "height" of culture that made such a turn possible. Also Germany/Italy/Japan had the cultural/philosophical background which made Fascism preferable to isolationism. I see isolationism as the road US, UK will take, UK has already embarked on this with Brexit and really even before this with decolonization of it's commonwealth. US is beginning it's isolationist policies today even. I do not see this disunity as bad in our society because this is merely the fundamental contradictions of American society expressing itself, the problems were always here and now we must embark on the adventure of dealing with these contradictions.

America's revolution was rather unique and I believe there is opportunity for a unique revolutionary process here, this is a process that has been analyzed by almost ever single revolutionary since it's occurrence and this new revolutionary journey that is underway will be watched for both its failure and success.

It's my opinion, the core contradiction in America is it's roots in a tradition of philosophical universalism rooted in reason that was mixed with economic exploitation via slavery/exploitation. The north and south indeed. The end result is a false universalism embodied in white supremacy. The battle today is the same as 1865 but the emancipation(if achieved) should both be ideological and material. This will translate into systematic structural reforms. How to achieve these radical reforms, because in my opinion at its root ideology and culture is rooted in trauma. And these roots are baked into the structures of our society as defense mechanisms. And these trauma are repeated by the civilization over and over again like a question, which we expect the different results from the same patterns of behavior. But ultimately this repetition is also our opportunity for emancipation, which itself will also be traumatic and see us in another repetition.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Well, try to see it from my end. See, the "woke" crowd didn't say shit when BLM and other such people were literally burning down their own towns and cities. Indeed, they said that "we should listen to their grievances" or "Try to understand why they're doing this" and other such absolute BS. Really? What about ours? Oh right, our "grievances" are the result of our "privileges" being "challenged" by what amounts to all the facets of polite society, academia, and our federal fucking government. If you can't see even in theory the absolute BS emanating from those faux moralistic prognostications I have nothing more to say to you. This sentiment is shared by them, but for the wrong reasons and from exactly opposed doctrines. People like me want to convince others I'm right. However, if those I want to convince view my attempts at peace as declarations of war well... I can't fix that.

Most people are hypocrites, especially when it comes to politics. But I think your sense of the "sides" people are on is misguided. You keep using vague terms -- "people like me" (who's that?), "polite society, academia, and our federal fucking government", as if they all have the same politics, and when you seem to be talking about liberals exclusively. And you talk about an urban/rural divide but don't seem to have an idea what's at the root of that divide or how or why it maps to a broader conservative/liberal divide. And more to the point I'm not sure you know what you want, or what the people you claim to oppose really want. You're angry but don't really have much idea what's wrong in the first place, let alone how to make it better.

This is something most of the "woke" crowd fail to grasp because of their critical and absolute lack of introspection. As I am fond of thought experiments, piece this one out. Why would a group of conservatives, actual conservatives mind you not MKULTRA wind up toys, storm the damn capital building? They know that's the dumb thing to do but I mean fuck, what other option is there now? If they're essentially going to throw us and ours into reeducation camps at the very least we ought to fight it correct?

Because the only interesting political acts anymore come from LARPers who, like you, don't know what they want and have no plan to achieve it. BLM was the same way; the 'autonomous' group in Seattle was the same way; the 'abolish the police' crowd is the same way. Black nationalists have a really similar mentality to you in particular. Everyone is the enemy, who hates the "real" working people who make the world go around. Even down to the tone it's the same: an air of melodramatic significance. "They're literally going to fucking send us to concentration camps." "They're literally trying to commit genocide against us." It'd be funny if it weren't pathetic.

Another one: Look at an election map by county from 2016 and 2020. Seeing a pattern genius? I'm seeing a ruling class/colonizers besieged. Y'know, dots of blue literally surrounded by oceans of red. You're a noble in their castle who assumes you can rule without the consent of those lowly serfs you rule over.

So, there haven't been too many revolutions throughout history. They happen, but most of the time, the nobility rule over people perfectly well. If you'd like to revolt, you'll need either good organization or at least a shared understanding of what's wrong. If I'm Bob, a 50-year-old farmer from Nebraska, what are you going to say to me to get me to stop working and go drive to the state capital and risk my life? What am I fighting for?

Can you grow all that food by yourself in your little castle. With a proper solar farm, aquaponics setup, and a myriad of other things I know about and desire to put into practice one day? Yes. Can you right now without my help?

Are you a farmer? Realistically, if for whatever reason farmers just stop farming, the government can just increase subsidies to farmers until they start working again.

I am glad that resourse exists because that means some people will be able to recall that vital knowledge, but honestly, you're denigrating the people you rely on. We grow your food, we drive your ambulances/trucks, we connect your calls. And, most hilariously of all, when the "MAGA" crowd stormed the Capital Building, your side begged for the National Guard to come in and obliterate those who, if they were BLM or ANTIFA, you'd say we ought to "listen" to. Which, by the by, only responded because Orange "funny mustache man" told them to. Process that will you?

Again, your "sides" aren't coherent. Who are they? Republicans? Plenty of ambulance drivers and EMTs vote Democrat. Even some farmers vote blue. And the people you're pointing out are people who act exactly like you, making a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. Retards on Twitter or wherever you're seeing them shouldn't be listened to.

Wasn't it Pence who mobilized the national guard, not Trump?

I said it above. Get a gun, get out of the cities, stock up on a ready source of calories, and don't get in our way. I do care for those who hate me, I only wish they'd at least feign to return the favor...

I'm still curious who you think hates you.

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@FreelancePoliceman. Who hates me and mine? You do, or at least those whom you apparently identify with do. Perhaps you do not and if you don't that's another point towards me being overly cynical.

In regards to revolutions, well, I'm a fan of the Dynastic Cycle. See, the Chinese have a pretty good concept going. There's this "mandate of Heaven" you see. In Western Democracies we call this "The Will of the People" capiche? So long as you have it, you need fear nothing. The instant you lose it though, ho boy, you and your entire court are fully and thoroughly fucked. Fun fact now that I consider it, it actually matches up with my Christian beliefs. Only one Emperor lived to see the founding of the succeeding dynasty. He did this by retreating into a Buddhist monastery.

As he was known far and wide as a hedonist piece of shit that'd be the exact last place his enemies would look for him. However, you know those monks would know that. Merciful as they were wont to be, they gave him that one last chance. He succeeded in passing their muster. He repented of his many sins and was likewise granted absolution.

Here's a blog that basically lays out my feelings: http://www.scifiwright.com/2021/01/a...nt/#more-27280

He's not wrong and his writings are far more compelling than anything Hollywood is coming out with.

[squark]

@End do you really think that you rust-belt / coal-belt / dixie boys would win a civil war? The first time around, your side wasn't industrialized. The second time around.... your side isn't industrialized.

Different coalitions this time. This time the pro-slavery side is Big Tech, Big Corp and also Big Agriculture. The first time around the pro-slavery dems were just Big Agriculture.

Sounds to me like End is on the anti-slavery, pro-freedom side.

[xerx]

Different coalitions this time. This time the pro-slavery side is Big Tech, Big Corp and also Big Agriculture. The first time around the pro-slavery dems were just Big Agriculture.

Sounds to me like End is on the anti-slavery, pro-freedom side.

End is also a nativist IIRC, so it's a little more complicated.

I can assure you that I am not unaware or unmoved by the anti-establishmentarian draw of the Trump movement. But it's a truism at this point that Trump is just another creature of the crony-capitalist swamp. I really don't see this person leading the change to some glorious workers' utopia.

[squark]

End is also a nativist IIRC, so it's a little more complicated.

I can assure you that I am not unaware or unmoved by the anti-establishmentarian draw of the Trump movement. But it's a truism at this point that Trump is just another creature of the crony-capitalist swamp. I really don't see this person leading the change to some glorious workers' utopia.

Trump is just a narcissistic fool. He's not leading anything. He however has been useful to shine the light on just how deep the problem is. It's pretty interesting really - you can watch him give a speech and it is immediately twisted into bizarre forms by the media, a lot of times they just outright lie and tell you he said something different from what you heard with your own ears. Crazy stuff. And look at the reaction by all the tech companies - outright preventing service to millions of people based on political beliefs alone. Credit card companies refusing payment based on political stances. It's bad. Really bad.

And that's only part of it. I was also talking about them supporting literal slavery. Apple, Nike, Coca-cola and others have all been lobbying against a literal anti-slavery bill. This one: Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act

There are people who actually do want control, want to prevent a massive number of people from exercising their rights, want to put small businesses and regular folks out of work, and consolidate power even more, while supporting slavery, extortion, and completely eliminating the voices of any competition or opposition. That's the slavery side. A lot of petty tyrants in governments are on that side and being paid handsomely to stay on that side as well. The lockdowns are a symptom of that side. The nonsensical restrictions of various sorts are on that side.

Anyone who's against all that and wants rights and freedoms for all people is on the anti-slavery side whether they're a Bernie bro or a Trumpster or someone in a tent in the desert or whatever.

This "attack" on Congress was planned and predicted and I watched gov plants instigate and try to encourage it. I thought it was going to be worse. It is a speck of nothing compared to all the antifa and BLM riots and burnings that have been going on for months, and continue to go on. It's what was needed though to give an excuse for the coordinated and pre-planned simultaneous shutdown of political opposition.


Edit: Removed my dramatic edit. Some thoughts I'll just keep in my head heh.

[xerx]

Trump is just a narcissistic fool. He's not leading anything. He however has been useful to shine the light on just how deep the problem is. It's pretty interesting really - you can watch him give a speech and it is immediately twisted into bizarre forms by the media, a lot of times they just outright lie and tell you he said something different from what you heard with your own ears. Crazy stuff. And look at the reaction by all the tech companies - outright preventing service to millions of people based on political beliefs alone. Credit card companies refusing payment based on political stances. It's bad. Really bad.

And that's only part of it. I was also talking about them supporting literal slavery. Apple, Nike, Coca-cola and others have all been lobbying against a literal anti-slavery bill. This one: Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act

There are people who actually do want control, want to prevent a massive number of people from exercising their rights, want to put small businesses and regular folks out of work, and consolidate power even more, while supporting slavery, extortion, and completely eliminating the voices of any competition or opposition. That's the slavery side. A lot of petty tyrants in governments are on that side and being paid handsomely to stay on that side as well. The lockdowns are a symptom of that side. The nonsensical restrictions of various sorts are on that side.

Anyone who's against all that and wants rights and freedoms for all people is on the anti-slavery side whether they're a Bernie bro or a Trumpster or someone in a tent in the desert or whatever.

This "attack" on Congress was planned and predicted and I watched gov plants instigate and try to encourage it. I thought it was going to be worse. It is a speck of nothing compared to all the antifa and BLM riots and burnings that have been going on for months, and continue to go on. It's what was needed though to give an excuse for the coordinated and pre-planned simultaneous shutdown of political opposition.

I agree that the system is pretty rotten. Opposition to the anti-slavery bill is something that could have been foreseen from a mile away. The Covid-19 lockdowns, justified or not, have also created a transfer of wealth from small businesses to Amazon, and many of these businesses probably won't recover.

The social media thing is going to keep getting worse too. Companies have been mining user information on social media for a while. Insurance companies are using that information to determine rates. Airbnb has used it to deny service to people. For all the talk about China's surveillance-dystopia, we've created our own 'social credit system' that will compel people to conform and self-moderate.

I think that we're on the same page when it comes to all of that. What I'd object to is this: that any populist fighting the government is doing it from a sense of aggrievement against existing economic conditions. A lot of it really is cultural. I could be misreading the political climate (I'm not American and I get all my information indirectly, through media), but there's a reason that Trump's populism appealed to these people more than Bernie Sanders'.

[SGF]

Different coalitions this time. This time the pro-slavery side is Big Tech, Big Corp and also Big Agriculture. The first time around the pro-slavery dems were just Big Agriculture.

Sounds to me like End is on the anti-slavery, pro-freedom side.

get this: Twitter banned Trump lmao wtf. Now thats going pretty damn far and shows where these corporations basically stand at this point. Want freedom of speech, want to say relatively normal stuff? Well you can't and you better watch what you tweet or post, the police might show up at your door.. banks may refuse to do business with you or allow you to withdraw your money, it has already happened to ppl.
Now I'm no fan of Trump, but this stuff is getting rather dire. After trying to move to Parlor, google said they will drop that app from their platform aka phones if they do not introduce much stricter speech regulations.


First they came for the "Fascists"
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Fascist

Then they came for the Traditionalists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Traditionalist

Then they came for the Conservatives
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Conservative

Then they came for the white men
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a white man

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me


They have us here by the balls, these multinational corporate monopolies have to go. Pretty soon its going to be us vs the suits and the bugmen for sure.



I dare any fellow socialist to come to me and tell me to support these corporate monopolies and the complicit state/government.. I FUCKING DARE YOU TELL ME TO SUPPORT OVERT FASCISM. Come on... do it , the rest of you hypocrites are doing it day in day out, sipping Starbucks coffe larping.

[Computer Loser]

Smile, stay detached and enjoy the decline

[SGF]

^^ anyone who still believes in democracy or political solutions is a moron. Get your lives in order and look out for your families and loved ones.
The progressive libshits are out to get you guys, they have power on the left and the right, two sides of the same coin.

Its all over, welcome to Weimerica. Same shit over the pond in Yurop as well. Its time to touch third rail and accept the truth of the matter.

[Adam Strange]

I have a strong interest in manufacturing, and I receive emails from various parts of the US manufacturing sector.

What I have seen in my life is that the owners of most small manufacturing firms hold views not too dissimilar to plantation owners before the civil war. To say they are conservative would be an understatement, which makes all the more remarkable this notice I got from Machine Design about comments from the National Association of Manufacturers, which calls the Capitol attack "sedition" and says that Trump should be immediately removed from office.

https://www.machinedesign.com/news/a...ited-violence?

Not everyone feels the same way as NAM, though, and those people have expressed their own views in the comments. Their views are very interesting to read.

[xerx]

I have a strong interest in manufacturing, and I receive emails from various parts of the US manufacturing sector.

What I have seen in my life is that the owners of most small manufacturing firms hold views not too dissimilar to plantation owners before the civil war. To say they are conservative would be an understatement, which makes all the more remarkable this notice I got from Machine Design about comments from the National Association of Manufacturers, which calls the Capitol attack "sedition" and says that Trump should be immediately removed from office.

God, this is so true. My old boss' job contracts meant that he basically owned your ass; if you created something on the job, the contract stipulated that he owned most of it. He under-payed his employees and gave the least legally-allowable amount of time for breaks and recreation. He also constantly complained about how going to dinner with clients was hard work. I'll acknowledge that routine meetings can be tiresome and unfulfilling, but so is the janitorial work that he payed other people to do. God-damn was this person entitled.

He was also a massive sexist. When someone suggested hiring a qualified female engineer who had dropped off her resume, his literal response was that he would only hire a woman for her "ass and tits".

There were also rumours that he set up a shell company to hide his assets from the government. He hated the government and would remind people everyday of this fact.

[Adam Strange]

God, this is so true. My old boss' job contracts meant that he basically owned your ass; if you created something on the job, the contract stipulated that he owned most of it. He under-payed his employees and gave the least legally-allowable amount of time for breaks and recreation. He also constantly complained about how going to dinner with clients was hard work. I'll acknowledge that routine meetings can be tiresome and unfulfilling, but so is the janitorial work that he payed other people to do. God-damn was this person entitled.

He was also a massive sexist. When someone suggested hiring a female engineer who had dropped off her resume, his literal response was that he would only hire a woman for her "ass and tits".

There were also rumours that he set up a shell company to hide his assets from the government. He hated the government and would remind people everyday of this fact.

I've worked for bosses like that. One of then became a millionaire by hiring Manpower workers and only keeping those who proved to be most docile and accepting of his exploitation. I wanted to kill him every day. I dreamed of killing him at night.
If I had had a foolproof way to kill him, though, I wouldn't have done it. Because the police would show up at my door and would say "We are investigating the death of Mr. Brown, and you were one of his employees."
And even if I had God's word that there would be no way that I could be connected with his death, there would still be my natural response.
"Yes, fuckers! I killed him! I rid the world of that evil bastard. Now give me a medal!"

In my case, I found another job and Mr. Brown sold his business, became a rich and respected wheel in my church, and then died from cancer. I hope, I pray, that his death was long and painful.


@xerxe, After I stopped being a wage slave and started consulting, and before starting a company and hiring others, I would sometimes encounter small business owners who would ask me to sign contracts similar to the one you described. I'd read it, and then I'd cross out the parts I didn't like. If they wouldn't sign the contract as altered, I didn't work for them. I mean, why make more assholes rich?

[xerx]

I've worked for bosses like that. One of then became a millionaire by hiring Manpower workers and only keeping those who proved to be most docile and accepting of his exploitation. I wanted to kill him every day. I dreamed of killing him at night.
If I had had a foolproof way to kill him, though, I wouldn't have done it. Because the police would show up at my door and would say "We are investigating the death of Mr. Brown, and you were one of his employees."
And even if I had God's word that there would be no way that I could be connected with his death, there would still be my natural response.
"Yes, fuckers! I killed him! I rid the world of that evil bastard. Now give me a medal!"

In my case, I found another job and Mr. Brown sold his business, became a rich and respected wheel in my church, and then died from cancer. I hope, I pray, that his death was long and painful.

Ha ha, yeah.

@xerxe, After I stopped being a wage slave and started consulting, and before starting a company and hiring others, I would sometimes encounter small business owners who would ask me to sign contracts similar to the one you described. I'd read it, and then I'd cross out the parts I didn't like. If they wouldn't sign the contract as altered, I didn't work for them. I mean, why make more assholes rich?

I'm opening my own business too if I decide to stay in industrial manufacturing. I've had my fill of people like this.

[Adam Strange]

I'm opening my own business too if I decide to stay in industrial manufacturing. I've had my fill of people like this.

Best of luck to you.

Running a business isn't easy, but you can make it if you have good customers. The second most important factor in success is to have good people working with you, because they are the ones doing most of the work.

[mu4]

God, this is so true. My old boss' job contracts meant that he basically owned your ass; if you created something on the job, the contract stipulated that he owned most of it. He under-payed his employees and gave the least legally-allowable amount of time for breaks and recreation. He also constantly complained about how going to dinner with clients was hard work. I'll acknowledge that routine meetings can be tiresome and unfulfilling, but so is the janitorial work that he payed other people to do. God-damn was this person entitled.

He was also a massive sexist. When someone suggested hiring a qualified female engineer who had dropped off her resume, his literal response was that he would only hire a woman for her "ass and tits".

There were also rumours that he set up a shell company to hide his assets from the government. He hated the government and would remind people everyday of this fact.

The irony of modern capitalism is that given a socialist/communist/marxist education, you would likely be a better business operator.

[kingslayer]

God, this is so true. My old boss' job contracts meant that he basically owned your ass; if you created something on the job, the contract stipulated that he owned most of it. He under-payed his employees and gave the least legally-allowable amount of time for breaks and recreation. He also constantly complained about how going to dinner with clients was hard work. I'll acknowledge that routine meetings can be tiresome and unfulfilling, but so is the janitorial work that he payed other people to do. God-damn was this person entitled.

He was also a massive sexist. When someone suggested hiring a qualified female engineer who had dropped off her resume, his literal response was that he would only hire a woman for her "ass and tits".

There were also rumours that he set up a shell company to hide his assets from the government. He hated the government and would remind people everyday of this fact.

I wonder who he voted for in the past 2 elections

[Joe Biden]

Time and time again, people try to solve these political problems, only to have it blow up in their faces, continue the status quo, or even make things worse.

Voting and political activism doesn't work, or doesn't work anymore.

Anybody taking this stuff seriously = common sheep

You are all very delusional and confused.

You guys actually think your opinion matters.

What they show you in the media is for entertainment purposes only. They show it to keep people thinking they have choice, and that their friends who don't agree are the enemy.

That's the purpose of the media- to divide, and get them blaming each other. I see that it's working perfectly here.

Haha.

None of this matters.

If you want to follow politics for fun as a hobby, that's great. But if you engage in any action with the intent of actually changing anything meaningful in your life or your loved ones, you are literally wasting your time.

[SGF]

[Grendel]

[K0m0d0]

One example that comes to mind of rural folks sticking it to those urbanites and intellectuals would the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia... Hardly an admirable group of romantic rebels come to rescue the country from corrupt elites, and also hardly motivated by anything we'd recognize as the conservative sentiments which we'd expect of them in more western backgrounds. But whether the kind of temperament most adapted to that state of living might make it just a matter of situational context is another story.

[Nobody]

I'm going to be completely honest, I'll never understand the human fascination with wanting to demonize other people. Sure, we all have boundaries and values and don't like when people step over that line. But when people openly decide there can be no peace or compromise between peoples, it makes me think humanity overall is pretty drab.

some context
Just saying this as someone that had a heated discussion a couple weeks ago with self-described "conservatives" that ended when these conservatives admitted that they think there can be no middle ground or compromising with anyone that isn't a conservative. This was after I had to endure what felt like verbal attacks for questioning them and trying to show them some kind of grey to their seeming political black and white. But it was futile in the end; and I was a bit dumb-founded at the total lack of Ne there. So this whole rioting in the U.S. Capitol just feels like "Idiocracy, Here We Come!"

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I don't know if I qualify as an art critic but it wasn't quite to my taste.

[khcs]

[Adam Strange]

He fought to get into a government room.

He may soon find that the government has a room for him that he can't leave.

[Adam Strange]

This thread is called the "Disunited States", and I think that really describes the US. In truth, it has always described the US, but prior to recent years, most people were not aware that they were living next to people who had very different views from theirs regarding morality and rule of law.

My personal belief is that all societies are divided between people who are liberal and people who are conservative. I think that this is a genetic feature of the human race, but that's just my opinion.

In the meantime, there are people who are still seeing the split as being primarily political, rather than intrinsic, and it is interesting to read some of the things they say about how this will shake out.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...alty-to-trump/

To me, this appears to be like a debate on whether or not to paint the virgins before they are thrown into the volcano to appease the volcano gods, but hey, there's gonna be a debate about that in any case, right? And it can be fun to follow.

[timber]

This thread is called the "Disunited States", and I think that really describes the US. In truth, it has always described the US, but prior to recent years, most people were not aware that they were living next to people who had very different views from theirs regarding morality and rule of law.

My personal belief is that all societies are divided between people who are liberal and people who are conservative. I think that this is a genetic feature of the human race, but that's just my opinion.

In the meantime, there are people who are still seeing the split as being primarily political, rather than intrinsic, and it is interesting to read some of the things they say about how this will shake out.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...alty-to-trump/

To me, this appears to be like a debate on whether or not to paint the virgins before they are thrown into the volcano to appease the volcano gods, but hey, there's gonna be a debate about that in any case, right? And it can be fun to follow.

You've been to other countries, Adam. You know red vs blue is not the only political paradigm on Earth, right?

[Adam Strange]

You've been to other countries, Adam. You know red vs blue is not the only political paradigm on Earth, right?

I've been in China and Hong Kong and Taiwan, I've been in Argentina when people who were leftists were disappearing, I've been in South Africa during Apartheid where blacks had limited or no rights, and in Rhodesia where the whites were buying weapons to defend themselves from the armed guerillas from Mozambique, and I've been interrogated by the military in Brazil* and in Turkey. And I'm banned from traveling in that bastion of hypocrisy, Canada, where the customs agents work tirelessly keep out the Pakis but welcome the Chinese if they bring enough money. And yes, the basic divide between people is not just blue vs red.

When I first started visiting other countries (for business), I was amazingly naive. I thought the divide was between Capitalist Democracies and Ant-like Communisms. My first exposure to other countries caused me to think that the divide is rather between places where men are above the law, and places where the law is above men. Argentina is a mafia, and Turkey is not far behind. If you have money or connections, you can kill people. South Africa, in contrast, actually has rule of law.

I've since broadened my definition of the divide to be between Authoritarians who can never live comfortably in a liberal democracy, and those who are more open minded. I think this is the basic divide, and all others are built on it.

I'm a really smart guy. I've been all over the world (the list of countries above is less than half of those I've seen) and I've been doing this for more years than you've been alive, and this is what I've come to believe.

Your mileage may vary.

*

There is nothing quite like having your papers and money taken and being interrogated at 2AM in a concrete cell by the military in the basement of a building in the middle of the jungle. When they don't speak English and you don't speak Portuguese. Fortunately, they were afraid of Americans who weren't afraid of them.
I should add that I wasn't afraid of them because I'm brave, but rather because, at the time, I was stupid.
Mafias respect personal strength, no matter where it comes from.

I'll say one more thing about that trip. When my plane eventually landed in FLA, I wanted to kiss the ground. I didn't, but I wanted to.

[kingslayer]

Nice of you to finally post your pic

[Adam Strange]

From AP News:

The incoming chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee is calling the Capitol a “crime scene” with evidence that needs to be preserved.


Sen. Mark Warner has written 11 telecommunication and social media companies asking them to immediately preserve content and associated meta-data connected to the insurrectionist attack on the Capitol on Wednesday. Those companies include mobile carriers AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon and from the social media world — Apple, Facebook, Gab, Google, Parler, Signal, Telegram and Twitter.


Warner says the FBI and other law enforcement agencies investigating the events of that day are trying to piece together what happened when supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol.


The Virginia Democrat tells the companies that “messaging data to and from your subscribers that may have participated in, or assisted, those engaged in this insurrection — and associated subscriber information — are critical evidence in helping to bring these rioters to justice.”

So the next time you want to overthrow the government of the United States by force and violence, leave your cell phones and credit cards and employee badges and vehicles at home. That friendly road map function that has bailed you out of jams so many times in the past knows exactly where you've been, and it isn't smart enough to be loyal to you.

[Joe Biden]

It certainly feels good to be victorious

Let me remind you all of how I totally obliterated Trump:

[marooned]

i'd probably rather the govt had control of this than social media giants, the banks, etc. the govt's weakness is inversely related to the strength of these private entities imo.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I hope the rioters stole some hard drives.

[End]

Well, OK. I don't think you're going to get very far in your quest to topple Silicon Valley or abortionist Satanism, but good luck mang.

Best hope I do because if I don't we get a rather nightmarish scenario. A Cyberpunk Dystopia without any of the cool shit we were promised by many an author/that entire genre! Imagine, a cyberpunk dystopia without Hovercars, Cybernetic augmentations, Shadowruns set up by the myriad megacorps (for there was still the hope that all the corps would actually compete amongst each other through "other means" if ya catch my drift), etc. So mundane, so boring for anyone with even a hint of appreciation for anything that is true, good, and beautiful...

Exactly as the prince of lies would have it sadly. Thankfully, I know for a fact he'll fail to realize his dark designs. Say what you will about Christianity, it has one absolute advantage. True believers are literally incapable of despair .

I hope the rioters stole some hard drives.

They did. I can't wait for those leaks to start any day now. Nancy Pelosi herself got hers nabbed according to my reports. Rumor is Seth "I committed suicide by shooting myself twice in the back of the head" Rich's drives content is on it. That's a bit much for me to believe until I see it as having dirt on the Clintons is a very severe and absolutely "Terminal" condition but a man can always hope...

Something major is about to happen because of that. I'm giddy with excitement on this front. Can't wait for that dirty laundry to get aired out in real time !

[xerx]

Best hope I do because if I don't we get a rather nightmarish scenario. A Cyberpunk Dystopia without any of the cool shit we were promised by many an author/that entire genre! Imagine, a cyberpunk dystopia without Hovercars, Cybernetic augmentations, Shadowruns set up by the myriad megacorps (for there was still the hope that all the corps would actually compete amongst each other through "other means" if ya catch my drift), etc. So mundane, so boring for anyone with even a hint of appreciation for anything that is true, good, and beautiful...

We're already there.

[Adam Strange]

I hope the rioters stole some hard drives.

A woodworker stole a podium. A gun nut stole an envelope. These are not long range or deep thinkers here.