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    Question OPINIONS PLEASE?

    Okay, so I think that I may have overestimated my Fi. I know for a fact that I am sensor and a thinker (I do not think that I have a good grasp of Fe or Fi past a superfiical level at all). The reason I say this is because:

    • I've always had trouble maintaining closeness of relationships, nor have I been good at grasping deepness within my relationships. I'm also not overly into ethics at all. I understand them and the logic behind them, but I don't find that I have a lot of strong, static opinions/likes/dislikes that I "believe" in per-se.
    • I also think that I use Fe and that it's not PoLR (I actually think my Ne is worse than it, and I don't think that I seek it at all, like an SLI does/will). I think both my Fi and Ne are pretty weak, and that I've misunderstood the feeling functions on a deeper level. The more I've known about them, the less I relate to them and the more I see the sensation and the thinking within my psyche.
    • I also relate to Fe Demo a bit from the POV that I'm adept enough at it to understand and use it, but not adept enough for it to be 4D Fe.
    • I'm also pretty critical of society and find it esasy to criticise (dunno if that's a quadra thing, or what?) and find a lot of society stupid/illogical and easy to make fun of, rather than be empathetic about.
    • I don't think much about self-improvement at all and I'm more into technical and sensory things. Although I can be expressive and hyper, cognitively I am pretty stable and I like to understand the world around me and make sense of it on my own and how the world works.
    • I like things to be pratical, simple and convenient in terms of systems and life. Complicated things don't do well, because I see no logic in them or any point behind them, if they aren't realistic.
    • I find it easier to let myself go online, around groups of people for periods of time. I can let myself go. It's quite relaxing.


    What do you guys think with what you know of me? Am I overthinking this... or actually mistyped?

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    If you disagree then feel free to. You know yourself best.

    SEE with a Se subtype because all SLEs make me feel like they have the potential to make me piss my pants no matter how nice they are. I don’t know you that well but you seem less sharp. To think SEEs are shallow is a huge misunderstanding, unless they’ve been consumed by desire and avarice they’re usually more edgy than me, lol, you’ve got to dig a bit to find it. SEEs can truly hate “society”, I knew a guy who everyone thought was a classic extrovert but he had a darker cynical side, he was very misunderstood and lonely in a sense despite being the most popular guy in town. he had moods and no one would understand why he wasn’t the outgoing puppy-like beam of sunshine he usually was, but sometimes he just wanted to be left alone just ‘cuz

    and zero critical Ti statements, ever. “i hate shallow bitches” is a value judgement, not a detached Ti conclusion. SLEs truly love their critique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    If you disagree then feel free to. You know yourself best.

    SEE with a Se subtype because all SLEs make me feel like they have the potential to make me piss my pants no matter how nice they are. I don’t know you that well but you seem less sharp. SEEs can truly hate “society”, I knew a guy who everyone thought was a classic extrovert but he had a darker cynical side, he was very misunderstood and lonely in a sense despite being the most popular guy in town. he had moods and no one would understand why he wasn’t the outgoing puppy-like beam of sunshine like he usually was, but sometimes he just wanted to be left alone just ‘cuz

    and zero critical Ti statements, ever. SLEs truly love their critique.
    My SLE best friend can intimidate anyone by just looking at them. Literally. Guy can show no emotion, and he looks like a murderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Something View Post
    My SLE best friend can intimidate anyone by just looking at them. Literally. Guy can show no emotion, and he looks like a murderer.
    That's a stupid stereotype. Are you trying to tell me that all SLE are psychopaths who wrestle bears and have shrunken balls with all the steroids they take? Especially for the men. I can show no emotion too and look like a murderer if I want to. So no, that's not every SLE man. I can intimate people as well, if I want to. I can be very aggressive, forceful when I want to be, but most of the time, I don't do it all of the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    If you disagree then feel free to. You know yourself best.

    SEE with a Se subtype because all SLEs make me feel like they have the potential to make me piss my pants no matter how nice they are. I don’t know you that well but you seem less sharp. To think SEEs are shallow is a huge misunderstanding, unless they’ve been consumed by desire and avarice they’re usually more edgy than me, lol, you’ve got to dig a bit to find it. SEEs can truly hate “society”, I knew a guy who everyone thought was a classic extrovert but he had a darker cynical side, he was very misunderstood and lonely in a sense despite being the most popular guy in town. he had moods and no one would understand why he wasn’t the outgoing puppy-like beam of sunshine he usually was, but sometimes he just wanted to be left alone just ‘cuz

    and zero critical Ti statements, ever. “i hate shallow bitches” is a value judgement, not a detached Ti conclusion. SLEs truly love their critique.
    Are you sure that's just SLE? I think that SEE and Se creatives and even SLI can be aggressive and make you poop your pants. To be honest, I have calmed down a lot from what I used to be as a kid/teenager. I was a very aggressive person. I'm more "mellow" now as an adult. And yeah, I just think a lot of society is nonsensical and stupid. You know? They do illogical things. I go through stages of extreme unemotion, then outgoing and then just neutral/aggressive. I can be critical if I want to, but I think I'm very straightforward. I can examine things well, if I want to. I can be very critical, you know? It just depends for me on the subject and how much I give a crap about said subject.

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    I think what Aaron means is that his friend in particular (the guy just likes sharing short random anecdotes like a 14 year old’s diary) LOOKS (not is) like an emotionless sociopath... if it’s his ‘best friend’ I doubt it’s a true insult or meant derogatorily, or even really meant as some deep constructive point for the thread... just a haphazard account of his personal experience... point is never take most things he says too seriously lol

    edit: can make u poop ur pants isn’t literal, more like a vibe. SEIs can make you wish you reverted yourself back into a fetus, crawled into your dead mothers womb, and stay there s so you’ll never reincarnate...but they sure don’t seem like at first glance, y’know?

    idk maybe you’re like an eccentric hot pink musical flamboyant hedonist SLE like i’m a jibber jabbery space alien hobbit SLI, in the end its nice to be able to extrapolate new insights from momentary periods of confusion, have fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    I think what Aaron means is that his friend in particular (the guy just likes sharing short random anecdotes like a diary) LOOKS (not is) like an emotionless sociopath... if it’s his ‘best friend’ I doubt it’s a true insult or meant derogatorily, or even really meant as some deep constructive point for the thread... just a haphazard account of his personal experience... point is never take most things he says too seriously lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    I think what Aaron means is that his friend in particular (the guy just likes sharing short random anecdotes like a 14 year old’s diary) LOOKS (not is) like an emotionless sociopath... if it’s his ‘best friend’ I doubt it’s a true insult or meant derogatorily, or even really meant as some deep constructive point for the thread... just a haphazard account of his personal experience... point is never take most things he says too seriously lol

    edit: can make u poop ur pants isn’t literal, more like a vibe. SEIs can make you wish you reverted yourself back into a fetus, crawled into your dead mothers womb, and stay there s so you’ll never reincarnate...but they sure don’t seem like at first glance, y’know?

    idk maybe you’re like an eccentric hot pink musical flamboyant hedonist SLE like i’m a jibber jabbery space alien hobbit SLI, in the end its nice to be able to extrapolate new insights from momentary periods of confusion, have fun
    I believe, you're trying to insult me or belittle me here, in a very autistic way. Try harder, retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    That's a stupid stereotype. Are you trying to tell me that all SLE are psychopaths who wrestle bears and have shrunken balls with all the steroids they take? Especially for the men. I can show no emotion too and look like a murderer if I want to. So no, that's not every SLE man. I can intimate people as well, if I want to. I can be very aggressive, forceful when I want to be, but most of the time, I don't do it all of the time.


    Are you sure that's just SLE? I think that SEE and Se creatives and even SLI can be aggressive and make you poop your pants. To be honest, I have calmed down a lot from what I used to be as a kid/teenager. I was a very aggressive person. I'm more "mellow" now as an adult. And yeah, I just think a lot of society is nonsensical and stupid. You know? They do illogical things. I go through stages of extreme unemotion, then outgoing and then just neutral/aggressive. I can be critical if I want to, but I think I'm very straightforward. I can examine things well, if I want to. I can be very critical, you know? It just depends for me on the subject and how much I give a crap about said subject.
    Alright, you're forceful and aggressive, want a cookie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Something View Post
    Alright, you're forceful and aggressive, want a cookie?
    Especially in the sheets No, I want ribs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    Especially in the sheets No, I want ribs...
    Alright. How do you like your ribs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Something View Post
    Alright. How do you like your ribs?
    BBQ. Very sweet, well done.

    also, tell me your discord handle and invite me to some servers. I'm so bored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Something View Post
    I believe, you're trying to insult me or belittle me here, in a very autistic way. Try harder, retard.
    Remember one day a Gamma will come and spank you on your lack of Fi there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Remember one day a Gamma will come and spank you on your lack of Fi there
    Lmao, how is this lack of Fi? Enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Something View Post
    Lmao, how is this lack of Fi? Enlighten me.
    Instead of assuming Cybel has true, good intentions about you and speaks it from position of... Someone who just has a very genuine comment about your behavior you see it as attack/insult/attempt on belittling and idk, 'removing you from your position and see you as childish/'not worth it'' (that is being dismissive)

    Unless you /actually are serious/ underneath and only pose it as joking, then I'm sure this kind of commentary hurts you

    (the 'lack of Fi' was not serious (come on, spanking?), but this comment above is; unlike others, I treat you for what I see/what is given and very seriously )

    (also no, being 'like a sociopath' is not a good thing from Fi standpoint lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Instead of assuming Cybel has true, good intentions about you and speaks it from position of... Someone who just has a very genuine comment about your behavior you see it as attack/insult/attempt on belittling and idk, 'removing you from your position and see you as childish/'not worth it'' (that is being dismissive)

    Unless you /actually are serious/ underneath and only pose it as joking, then I'm sure this kind of commentary hurts you

    (the 'lack of Fi' was not serious (come on, spanking?), but this comment above is; unlike others, I treat you for what I see/what is given and very seriously )

    (also no, being 'like a sociopath' is not a good thing from Fi standpoint lol)
    Do you see me dualizing with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    Do you see me dualizing with you?
    Idk, I don't know you that well I would have to get to know you and see, and my judgement may be usually too negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Something View Post
    I believe, you're trying to insult me or belittle me here, in a very autistic way. Try harder, retard.
    lol, no, that's just the way i talk
    i'm not a perfect moral little angel but in this case no harm intended, feel free to feel insulted and hate me but would just like to clarify just in case the intentions behind it were the issue...
    also i am literally an autist
    unless you're joking rn....? MAN i hate forums sometimes there should be some kind of handbook on how to decode this shit

    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Instead of assuming Cybel has true, good intentions about you and speaks it from position of... Someone who just has a very genuine comment about your behavior you see it as attack/insult/attempt on belittling and idk, 'removing you from your position and see you as childish/'not worth it'' (that is being dismissive)

    Unless you /actually are serious/ underneath and only pose it as joking, then I'm sure this kind of commentary hurts you

    (the 'lack of Fi' was not serious (come on, spanking?), but this comment above is; unlike others, I treat you for what I see/what is given and very seriously )

    (also no, being 'like a sociopath' is not a good thing from Fi standpoint lol)
    it's fine sometimes i say stupid shit and deserve to get feedback, people are also free to feel offended by things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    lol, no, that's just the way i talk
    i'm not a perfect moral little angel but in this case no harm intended, feel free to feel insulted and hate me but would just like to clarify just in case the intentions behind it were the issue...
    also i am literally an autist
    unless you're joking rn....? MAN i hate forums sometimes there should be some kind of handbook on how to decode this shit



    it's fine sometimes i say stupid shit and deserve to get feedback, people are also free to feel offended by things
    Idk, i'm somewhat a bit drunk even if i haven't drank in ages, and I really just like insulting people on this forum and trolling because I don't take it seriously. I porpusely get into situations where I just want to insult everyone, because I don't take any of you seriously, nor see you as humans (since I can't see your faces) thus making it just funny for me to just insult random people and be mean to take my boredom of the moment away. No offense taken either, I just wanted to fight someone because at the moment I felt too bored, in fact, I think you're a good kid, Cybel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Instead of assuming Cybel has true, good intentions about you and speaks it from position of... Someone who just has a very genuine comment about your behavior you see it as attack/insult/attempt on belittling and idk, 'removing you from your position and see you as childish/'not worth it'' (that is being dismissive)

    Unless you /actually are serious/ underneath and only pose it as joking, then I'm sure this kind of commentary hurts you

    (the 'lack of Fi' was not serious (come on, spanking?), but this comment above is; unlike others, I treat you for what I see/what is given and very seriously )

    (also no, being 'like a sociopath' is not a good thing from Fi standpoint lol)
    Why are we talking about sociopaths now? I think you're overthinking all of this.

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    NO it was a joke now i look dum forever ;-;

    nice to see u too dumb drunk retard shit for brains get a grip won’t you @Aaron Something

    next time i will forum fite you to the death and throttle your disgusting throat so you can’t speak no more and spew any more filth, good riddance

    also i will never retract my statement on you writing like a mentally impaired 14 year old
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    So... back to me... the original point of the topic... does anyone else have any other suggestions, alternative types etc. that they want to argue or suggest? Or am I actually an SEE-Se?


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    @DEAD, personally I think SEE seems to fit you. Especially because of this:

    So... back to me...the original point of the topic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    @DEAD, personally I think SEE seems to fit you. Especially because of this:




    Aside from that, what other detailed, analytical reasoning do you have? Am actually interested to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    Aside from that, what other detailed, analytical reasoning do you have? Am actually interested to hear it.
    That sounded like you are not afraid to put your own person in the spotlight. And SEE stereotypically is kinda like that but I don't really have a set opinion on which type patterns fit you the most.

    Anyway I said I'd look at your thread yeah and did read the OP. What kinds of complicated things do you avoid where you see no point in them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpyvic81 View Post
    . What kinds of complicated things do you avoid where you see no point in them?
    Complicated things I see no point in
    Mostly just mental masturbation, people theorising for the sake of it and not implimenting that into the real world, not being practical or using that knowledge in the real world to further things. Arguments over academic things that hold no place in reality. "Imaginary" theory that couldn't be applied in the real world (like atoms of the molecules of the atomics). Concepts you can't see, can't apply. Academics arguing over nothing, sitting on their arse all day doing nothing.

    Not complicated but still stupid to me
    People making imaginary worlds (i.e. fantasy), "idealism", "ideal societies" that don't improve reality. People who just thing things "are cute". People who want kids without planning for them (because they're cute). People who rely just on their emotions and hard to make decisions. People who don't think for themselves. Public hypocrisy and outrage over non things. Hyper cutesy quirky UwU HE HE HA HA HA RAWR xD PEOPLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    Complicated things I see no point in
    Mostly just mental masturbation, people theorising for the sake of it and not implimenting that into the real world, not being practical or using that knowledge in the real world to further things. Arguments over academic things that hold no place in reality. "Imaginary" theory that couldn't be applied in the real world (like atoms of the molecules of the atomics). Concepts you can't see, can't apply. Academics arguing over nothing, sitting on their arse all day doing nothing.
    Actually with physics there are concrete applications. Anyway all this I think fits SEE the best again



    Not complicated but still stupid to me
    People making imaginary worlds (i.e. fantasy), "idealism", "ideal societies" that don't improve reality. People who just thing things "are cute". People who want kids without planning for them (because they're cute). People who rely just on their emotions and hard to make decisions. People who don't think for themselves. Public hypocrisy and outrage over non things. Hyper cutesy quirky UwU HE HE HA HA HA RAWR xD PEOPLE.
    Doesn't sound stereotypically very NF lol

    If I can think of more, I'll post again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpyvic81 View Post
    Actually with physics there are concrete applications. Anyway all this I think fits SEE the best again



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    Doesn't sound stereotypically very NF lol

    If I can think of more, I'll post again.
    Quote Originally Posted by grumpyvic81 View Post
    Actually with physics there are concrete applications. Anyway all this I think fits SEE the best again



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    Doesn't sound stereotypically very NF lol

    If I can think of more, I'll post again.
    Yeah, yeah. I know you can apply physics in real life. I was just saying how it sounds in my mind. When the harp on about things. I lose interest very fast. I tried to watch some Socionics videos but they had such heavy N tint that I was finding it hard to keep up and make realistic sense of it. I like to make things real if that makes sense? Realistic usage of the functions. Not just how they work theoretically.

    I know they work in the real world as processed but people just over complicate that so much to sound intelligent that itís just dumb. It makes it all look pointless for people who are interested in seeing those functions in action through people and real world interaction.

    Yeah I donít think I am an NF. I donít see much high Ni in me to indicate it to be honest and a base Fe function. Iím not a humanitarian at all. I donít see the point in that. Or being an intellectual either. If you canít actually apply those things in reality. You know what I mean? Iím a pretty practical person. Someone who likes to just do things. Experience them and implement what I need when I need to.

    If Iím being honest? The main issue that I am having with the SEE typing is that I donít see much Fi in myself. I donít see much ethical judgements in me. I see a lot of S and T. Unless the F is silent and being weird inside me. I donít think it manifests much in my daily living to be honest. Or maybe I am underestimating my ďuse of ethicsĒ. And personal relationships within my life.


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    Yeah, yeah. I know you can apply physics in real life. I was just saying how it sounds in my mind. When the harp on about things. I lose interest very fast. I tried to watch some Socionics videos but they had such heavy N tint that I was finding it hard to keep up and make realistic sense of it. I like to make things real if that makes sense? Realistic usage of the functions. Not just how they work theoretically.

    I know they work in the real world as processed but people just over complicate that so much to sound intelligent that it’s just dumb. It makes it all look pointless for people who are interested in seeing those functions in action through people and real world interaction.

    Yeah I don’t think I am an NF. I don’t see much high Ni in me to indicate it to be honest and a base Fe function. I’m not a humanitarian at all. I don’t see the point in that. Or being an intellectual either. If you can’t actually apply those things in reality. You know what I mean? I’m a pretty practical person. Someone who likes to just do things. Experience them and implement what I need when I need to.

    If I’m being honest? The main issue that I am having with the SEE typing is that I don’t see much Fi in myself. I don’t see much ethical judgements in me. I see a lot of S and T. Unless the F is silent and being weird inside me. I don’t think it manifests much in my daily living to be honest. Or maybe I am underestimating my “use of ethics”. And personal relationships within my life.


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    hmm, I mean the amount of priority you put on things being practical would indicate more ST over SF - but given that SEEs value Te it could go both ways.

    Could you elaborate on the paragraph about being low Fi?

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    You could have a specific subtype that reinforces the mobilizing function over the creative one. For example, some systems in socionics argue that there is an extroverted subtype that strengthens extroverted functions, and an introverted subtype that strengthens introverted functions, causing the IMs to remain in their functional position but with an altered form of perception.
    Another theory suggests that each type may have a genetic predisposition to develop any information element more strongly (except for one-dimensional ones) and if the environmental conditions are there, for example, you could be SEE-Te subtype. None of this is really important, I just give you a bit of a headache, and justify how you perceive yourself as sensory and logical (Self-perception is something unrelated to informational metabolism) while maybe being SEE.

    I think you are confusing Ti and Ni, so to help you decide I am going to explain, or rather, I give you even more headaches, about what Te, Ni, Ti and of course Fi actually are.

    Te is the dynamic perception (how, where and why something "moves") of an object (to simplify it let's say that the object is anything, for example, it can be a table, a person, a theoretical concept, etc.), that means Te perceives, conceives and organizes the how, when, and the goal of the movement of things related to matter and logic, that is why it is alternatively called logic of actions or algorithmic logic.

    Ti perceives the fields (let's say that the fields are a system of relations between objects, and not the objects themselves) in a static way (which does not change), as regards to matter and logic, that is, Ti perceives, conceives and organizes the logical connections between things, sometimes generating theories and systems of logical interrelations (for example, socionics as a system is highly Ti) which is something that sounds quite like what you say that bothers you.

    Ni is it the dynamic perception of fields related to a process or time, that is, Ni does accumulate interrelationships between patterns to determine the most likely result of a given process over time.

    And, finally, Fi statically perceives the fields related to energy, and generally emotions, that means, a system that organizes and percieves a variety of emotional ties between things or people (He likes this kind of thing, I like this person, I hate that person or concept, etc.).

    Another explanation for your type may be that in psychosophy (a system that is sometimes used in the Slavic socionics community to supplement the metabolization of information (socionic) with a model that also defines or comprises the behavioral patterns of someone with axioms divorced from informational metabolism) Logic is your unconcerned function, that is to say, the weakest one. Physics seems to be one of the two high psychosophical functions in you (Practicality, simplicity, conveniency, living conditions, etc)

    In either case, if you are Se-lead, then I see very clearly that your valued IM axis is Fi-Te and your nonvalued IM axis is Ti-Fe, (specially you seem to have Ti in your SUPEREGO block) therefore, between SEE and SLE, my verdict is SEE. Anyways I don't personally know you and I don't have as much experience as necessary to type you accurately, It is better to be typed by professionals than to be typed by someone on a forum, as @shotgunfingers explains below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    hmm, I mean the amount of priority you put on things being practical would indicate more ST over SF - but given that SEEs value Te it could go both ways.

    Could you elaborate on the paragraph about being low Fi?
    I think that I donít ďcareĒ as much about personal relationships and ethics as an Fi creative would (again, this could be a bad explanation of the descriptions or me underestimating the function as a whole within my own psyche).

    Itís also probably these stupid coronavirus restrictions. Being limited and shut indoors as well. Not being able to actually go outside and organise things as well. Itís maybe dumbing down the impact of any ďethicsĒ function that I may have.

    The other thing that throws me off is why, if creative Fi is all about relationships and manipulating them, and the measuring the closeness of people/relationships... why itís called ethics in this system? I donít think that managing and forming relationships with people has anything to do with ďethicsĒ per-se.

    I know that if I am an Se subtype (as agreed upon here), then the Fi would be toned down in favour of the Se being turned up. And the Te would be more than likely ramped up as the mobilizing function (which probably gives the appearance of ST).

    All in all, Iíve always been pretty practical. And have wanted to focus on practicality. But Iím not ďbadĒ when it comes to people and crowds. I can ďformĒ relationships per-se but I am awful at maintaining them and getting super close to people. Not sure if this is a me issue or how I was brought up playing into those aspects as well.

    I mean, I can turn it all on and off if I want to as well. I can be cold and distant, but I can be warm and more intimate. Maybe I just care more about Se overall than I do Fi in general.

    Iíve been typed SLI and ILI in the past before, but I know that I donít have PoLR Fe and that I have actually good Se. And donít seek Ne at all. I actually donít have much general love or use for Ne. I would say that I gel pretty well with EIE as well but I want to seek Ni over Te or Fe. (Again, the wanting EIE could be from the benefit ring side of things and the 4D Fe Demo, if I have it).

    Maybe I am just misunderstanding the whole Fi thing. And the descriptions being translated from Russian might be missing a few things/off in some areas if you get me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frddy View Post
    You could have a specific subtype that reinforces the mobilizing function over the creative one.

    For example, some systems in socionics argue that there is an extroverted subtype that strengthens extroverted functions, and an introverted subtype that strengthens introverted functions, causing the IMs to remain in their functional position but with an altered form of perception.

    Another theory suggests that each type may have a genetic predisposition to develop any information element more strongly (except for one-dimensional ones) and if the environmental conditions are there, for example, you could be SEE-Te subtype.

    None of this is really important, I just give you a bit of a headache, and justify how you perceive yourself as sensory and logical (Self-perception is something unrelated to informational metabolism) while maybe being SEE.
    Maybe this is why people were mistaking me as SLI in the past (I did a ďtyping sessionĒ on a Discord server) and they didnít have good reasons as to why I was Fe PoLR or how Si base and Te creative actually functioned within me. It wasnít great at all. It was also at like three in the morning my time.

    I also got others suggestions that as I relate the most to Gamma values, I could be an ILI, but I absolutely do NOT see myself as an Ni base and Te creative. That is like... almost the opposite of how I think. And I also think dualism is pretty crap. I donít see myself ever being with an INTj or INTp in a million years. I donít want to be with one either.

    I donít want to be told that I could/should be with a specific type. Iíd rather be with someone whoís interesting in real life and matches with me, not on paper. And I donít have much interest in finding a partner anyway. Iíd rather be alone and not commit to anything and be responsible for anyone else.

    I think you are confusing Ti and Ni, so to help you decide I am going to explain, or rather, I give you even more headaches, about what Te, Ni, Ti and of course Fi actually are.

    Te is the dynamic perception (how, where and why something "moves") of an object (to simplify it let's say that the object is anything, for example, it can be a table, a person, a theoretical concept, etc.), that means Te perceives, conceives and organizes the how, when, and the goal of the movement of things related to matter and logic, that is why it is alternatively called logic of actions or algorithmic logic.

    Ti perceives the fields (let's say that the fields are a system of relations between objects, and not the objects themselves) in a static way (which does not change), as regards to matter and logic, that is, Ti perceives, conceives and organizes the logical connections between things, sometimes generating theories and systems of logical interrelations (for example, socionics as a system is highly Ti) which is something that sounds quite like what you say that bothers you.

    Ni is it the dynamic perception of fields related to a process or time, that is, Ni does accumulate interrelationships between patterns to determine the most likely result of a given process over time.

    And, finally, Fi statically perceives the fields related to energy, and generally emotions, that means, a system that organizes and percieves a variety of emotional ties between things or people (He likes this kind of thing, I like this person, I hate that person or concept, etc.).
    Yeah. Youíve explained this all in a non pretentious way that I can make sense of. Thank you. The other people who have explained it have made things too verbose and tried to sound more intellectual than they really are. I think when people see the word ďtheoryĒ, they have to N and T the crap out of everything, which isnít the way it works.

    You can have a theory and make it simplistic enough for everyone to understand and make sense of easily. But some people choose not to, which is annoying. Even if their brains function said way, they can still simplify it into reality and make sense of it.

    My issue with Ti is more how people use it and why they use it and if using it is gonna have any benefit within the concrete reality. Are the theories going to be useful and can they be implemented well into the real world or is it just all mental masturbation to you? I can understand theories, but they need to be well explained and make sense past someone elseís own understanding.

    Another explanation for your type may be that in psychosophy (a system that is sometimes used in the Slavic socionics community to supplement the metabolization of information (socionic) with a model that also defines or comprises the behavioral patterns of someone with axioms divorced from informational metabolism) Logic is your unconcerned function, that is to say, the weakest one. Physics seems to be one of the two high psychosophical functions in you (Practicality, simplicity, conveniency, living conditions, etc)

    In either case, if you are Se-lead, then I see very clearly that your valued IM axis is Fi-Te and your nonvalued IM axis is Ti-Fe, (specially you seem to have Ti in your SUPEREGO block) therefore, between SEE and SLE, my verdict is SEE. Anyways I don't personally know you and I don't have as much experience as necessary to type you accurately, It is better to be typed by professionals than to be typed by someone on a forum, as @shotgunfingers explains below.
    Logic as in Internal Logic? (Ti). As in Ti PoLR? Yeah I donít think much about logic. Iím more into making things work and being practical than mental masturbation. Itís not that I donít always understand it, itís more about its general usefulness for me and how people use it in terms of reality. I donít think that thinking for the sake of it has much use if it has no outcome. Same with just generating possibilities that youíre never gonna use and keep changing up every single five seconds and no one knows where they stand with you. Those are my two pet peeves.

    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    OP I think you should pay someone trained in socionics who is a professional to evaluate your type and get it over with.



    Pay? No. Iím not paying for that. God knows how much they charge. And if we disagree as well... Iím not paying for two sessions and a retype.

    I need the money for other things. Like food and paying rent and new phones. And an iPad. Things that I need to further my career as a musician.

    I need to save it all up you know? On PayPal.


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    Just dropping by to share some impression...

    You vibe similar to the other SEE’s on the forum imo
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    Ok this is going to sound more like an mbti answer than a socionics one, but I think the problem is some people don't think people can have a well developed 3rd function. I think it's likely that you just have a good grasp on Te, which I don't think is uncommon for ESFPs/SEEs. Fi, just like Ti, is also highly subjective so your "value judgements" OP could just be way different from what you perceive as value judgements of the people around you. Hope that makes sense. I also don't ever feel the SEEs irl that I know are what I would consider judgemental people despite their Fi. I find SEEs to be easy going to talk to. SEE with an emphasis on Se & Te could work imo, but then again none of us know you irl so remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    Pay? No. I’m not paying for that. God knows how much they charge. And if we disagree as well... I’m not paying for two sessions and a retype.

    I need the money for other things. Like food and paying rent and new phones. And an iPad. Things that I need to further my career as a musician.

    I need to save it all up you know? On PayPal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    70 to 120 $ is pocket change suit yourself. Priorities are good.
    Pocket change only if you have a steady full time job & not too many expenses. Though I agree that it's not exactly outrageous.

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    Just dropping by to share some impression...

    You vibe similar to the other SEEís on the forum imo
    Vibes? The only useful vibes I like are the instrument. Those have a hot sound. Joking aside, interesting? Like who? Some examples.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlytherinPower View Post
    Ok this is going to sound more like an mbti answer than a socionics one, but I think the problem is some people don't think people can have a well developed 3rd function. I think it's likely that you just have a good grasp on Te, which I don't think is uncommon for ESFPs/SEEs. Fi, just like Ti, is also highly subjective so your "value judgements" OP could just be way different from what you perceive as value judgements of the people around you. Hope that makes sense. I also don't ever feel the SEEs irl that I know are what I would consider judgemental people despite their Fi. I find SEEs to be easy going to talk to. SEE with an emphasis on Se & Te could work imo, but then again none of us know you irl so remember that.
    I spent ages writing you a reply which I was kinda proud of but the stupid Tapatalk app decided to delete it when I tried to delete a word so letís try it again.

    Yes. Some people really do have a good well developed mobilizing function and I think on a surface level, it will definitely seem more prevalent to outsiders than the Fi/Ti internal creative function can, thus it can make SEE seem like SLE and even LSE (am I right? Even though itís not their default mode of functioning)

    Te energy can definitely mobilise me in ways. Like especially if I want to get a task done or something (not sure if itís demonstrative or mobilizing) but I definitely think that I have a good grasp of it. I also wrote a post on PerC about PoLR Ti in ExFps and mobilizing Te, which you can find here if you want to.

    When you say value judgements, is calling something ďstupidĒ a value judgement but Fi-Te and Ti-Fe will go about explaining why it is differently? And what theyíre do to change it?

    Iím not really snobby or judgemental, unless someone really pisses me off and rubs me up the wrong way. It then takes a bit for me to change the opinion I have of them. But thatís pretty rare. I try to give everyone a fair chance, definitely.

    I am very easygoing and easy to get on with but Iím not afraid of using conflict as a means to an end if I have to (or you really piss me off). Just because I donít act like a small-dicked wannabe alpha male who isnít angry at everything, and doesnít constantly push and yell at people to do things their way, it doesnít mean that I donít value se as my base. Itís very misunderstood (especially by intuitive and people who focus on ďbehaviourĒ and ďtraitsĒ, which I thinks is bs as every person is different).

    If I want something, I will chase after it and I will she force to get it but not constantly. Yes, I do things and yes I like to implement things but I donít see the point in being overly aggressive unless you have to be if that makes sense? Yes, you can definitely take charge of your environment and direct people but I think itís unnecessary to act like a military general all of the time, especially if you want people to listen to you and take you seriously you know?

    You can command things in different ways you know? I think that some people havenít mastered the art of commanding and implementing yet and they think that if you use super force, youíll always get what you want. But thatís not always the case.

    I think over the years I have mellowed out a lot more than when I was a teenager and a young adult. I used to get angry at a lot of things for no reason (could also have been the hormone and chemical changes in my body etc). Iíve learned to make that anger constructive and channel it into constructive things as opposed to destructive things) as Iíve aged and matured (am almost 25 now).

    And also, I have noticed that ENxj (LIE and EIE) seem to care more about ďappearing toughĒ and ďphysicalĒ in their aesthetics at least than SxE do. Take Mahmood for example (heís an Italian musician and an EIE). He seems to focus a lot on his physicality and his body, but not in a way that Sfera Ebbasta (SEE) does. It seems a lot more natural to him and less deliberate than Mahmood does. Sfera cares more about his aesthetics and own style/brand and accomplishing things than superficially appearing tough and using concepts/metaphors to create ďartĒ and make people feel a certain way than Mahmood does.

    (Yeah this is your extremely long, obligatory Sunday Afternoon pre-booze reply, since I have some free time inbetween what Iím currently doing).


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    70 to 120 $ is pocket change suit yourself. Priorities are good.
    Pocket change? Are you a software engineer who lives in the suburbs or something like that?





    Quote Originally Posted by SlytherinPower View Post
    Pocket change only if you have a steady full time job & not too many expenses. Though I agree that it's not exactly outrageous.
    Yeah if you have a full time job. I donít, sadly. I do some things here and there but nothing permanent you know?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    NO it was a joke now i look dum forever ;-;

    nice to see u too dumb drunk retard shit for brains get a grip won’t you @Aaron Something

    next time i will forum fite you to the death and throttle your disgusting throat so you can’t speak no more and spew any more filth, good riddance

    also i will never retract my statement on you writing like a mentally impaired 14 year old
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybel View Post
    NO it was a joke now i look dum forever ;-;

    nice to see u too dumb drunk retard shit for brains get a grip won’t you @Aaron Something

    next time i will forum fite you to the death and throttle your disgusting throat so you can’t speak no more and spew any more filth, good riddance

    also i will never retract my statement on you writing like a mentally impaired 14 year old
    You're my dual, and we all know Si leads are fucking stupid, so it's not like I can take you seriously either.

    "writing like a mentally impaired 14 year old", have you seen your own writing though? Maybe you are an actual mentally impaired 14 year old who is projecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissholeMan View Post
    You're my dual, and we all know Si leads are fucking stupid, so it's not like I can take you seriously either.

    "writing like a mentally impaired 14 year old", have you seen your own writing though? Maybe you are an actual mentally impaired 14 year old who is projecting.
    Actually I’m 12 get it right loser. A disgrace to all pissholes and mankind. Speaking to you casually gives people PTSD, you make therapists rich. Anyone who takes you seriously needs to get a trepanation to remove whatever neurological tumor they’re suffering from. Here’s a cookie and pacifier, now fuck off and go play with the other psych ward patients (and stop drinking)
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