In what ways do you see yourself viewing the world in the same way as your quadra does?
In what ways do you see yourself viewing the world in the same way as your quadra does?
I really like your posts @chocolatte. They're not repetitive and easy to digest. They are also kinda fun. I don't even care if no one reads them it's just nice to dig into yourself and Socionics a bit. Although I do wish I was better at pure theory-spouting.
- refinement, i can turn oil into water
- cozy, my room is a nest filled with pretty trinkets and assorted collected knick-knacks
- whimsical fantasy elements, big fan of fairytales and simple genres with a nice twist (secretly a huge horror fan but that doesn't fit w/ the stereotypes)
- mostly healthy perfectionism, would feel suicidal without otherwise being able to "level up" something
- balance between cheap and high standards for quality objects
- self improvement is an eternal sidequest of sorts, always at the back of the mind
- aesthetic snob
- "burrow syndrome" urge to run away from overstimulating environments like college parties
- gets bored by 'fun group dynamics' like 'roasting' people, partypooper
- easily annoyed, exhausted easily in general
- refusal to care about money, power, sex, and workplace position beyond basic survival needs, willing to let all of them go to pursue a more comfortable life
- individualist, i hate hate hate the idea of "becoming one with the group", sounds like a bad orgy
- unconscious unwillingness to view things from a grand narrative, rejects most narratives besides purely entertaining fictitious ones
- "common sense" mixed with occasional zany and impractical moods
edit: oopsies the complex bit slipped past my eyeballs
The OG quadra complexes descriptions are a bit too word dense to be super-relatable but I guess I have from a very young age despised most large institutions and unjustified hierarchies. (which aren't really Beta btw they're more like an inter-quadra superevil) Certainly ties your hands in a very physical and symbolic way. I hate things that waste your time and bring no joy to the soul.
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The quadral complex is a bit different from just overall shared quadral values and attitudes, but still a cool thread.
For beta, the oppression complex. Forever I feel like a rebellious teenager lol. For example, I have a plan to leave my extremely toxic and abusive company (I found out yesterday) in a way that’ll really “twist the knife” for how they’ve treated a bunch of other coworkers of mine, and me before. As an actual teenager I was like this too. Once a (NF of some kind) teacher gave me a grade I didn’t think I deserved for something I worked hard on, and I dumped it into the recycling bin she was standing beside on the way out. It’s possible she was IEI, because strangely she seemed to like me more after this.
I don’t like arbitrary, conservative social rules. For example, my LSI date was 5 minutes late, and I actually liked him more for it.
Generally, I place a lot of value on being able to read the emotional atmosphere of situations, courage, foresight, and street smarts. I’m also into monochromatic symmetrical aesthetics (associated with Ti) that create a sense of awe (Se/Ni) so I like modern architecture and other such things.
Quadra complexes seem bit overstretched.
Like ILI for instance really has hard time of keeping mouth shut when his balance is off. Then he cry/complains over other's actions when others do not see... pretty typical of him.
This sort of closing their mouths seems to be hard issue for all gammas.
So eh the context of application is not very well defined. This is strati stuff is more or less related to mission or hence I'd call it quadral mission complex.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
I don't see much behavioural commonality at all. ILEs may use the same processors and filters but but because our priorities are opposite, the net result doesn't look the same. From an observer perspective, I have more in common with other Ijs simply because we share similar processing and priority structures.
This topic is talking about these articles, right?
So. if we're going off the Alpha complex, I definitely relate to some of the descriptions. I do enjoy the freedom of a discussion where almost nothing is taboo. I can also be chatty and inquisitive in my element, though some people perceive me as argumentative. I would like to think I give everyone a fair chance and treat them with respect to their opinions.
The only thing that bothers me is the hatred of secretive people. I will withhold my opinion if it leads to conflict. If bad news affects the group, I will mention it, but if the problem does not affect them, I would rather keep quiet. I would think this relates to -Fe, since it focuses on suppressing negative emotions, which is often my goal in most cases. I know I often feel awkward when people let loose with all the bad things that happened throughout their day. I would rather not subject others to my own negativity to keep the atmosphere lighthearted.
Lastly, I do fear losing others' respect or having my voice silenced.
I want to believe, therefore I question everything. I pursue the truth, therefore I eliminate all lies. I crave the ideal, therefore I defy the world.
Ok so what's the difference between a quadral complex and the characteristics that tie a quadra together?
I don't see members of a quadra so much as having the same behavioral commonalities as much as they all have the same underlying.. attitude/belief. basically what Strat describes. it's so accurate imo..
For myself some things are
-i think i automatically split people into weak/strong
-worst thing is to feel weak/helpless. idc if on the outside i seem weak but if i actually am.
-i don't automatically respect authority, but i respect people with authority.
-i have a strong aversion to being used if there's nothing in it for me
@Cybel Thanks! I just want to know everything..
yep, even if no one reads what i write, putting it into writing often helps me better organize thoughts ,or makes me realize things.
I like the posts of people who simultaneously "theory-spout" and "observation/reality-spout" if that makes sense
I personally live in a Quadra of my very own that combines all 4 of them.
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
My quadra complex is being in a unhappy marriage without enough money to buy whatever I want
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Yes I do relate.
I can accept and respect hierarchies like parents or God. I trust my personal experience and observations and act in accordance, also I like to discuss interesting topics and I want ppl to respect my opinion. I like the pursue of the highest spirituality, to choose the occupation of my preference, to develop and perfect abilities and talents, to get my sphere of interest and change them when I like and to get my own space. And yes, I see as shame when ppl don't like to work on themselves aka self improve. I think taking responsibility over oneself is a basic way to improve (as person) relationships.
"Delta Quadra fears the destruction of all that they see as valuable, good, positive, wholesome and is afraid of people who destroy from feelings of envy and jealousy, out of their own inadequacy, or out of boredom, having nothing to do, "just because", "to have some fun in life".
yes. I even get angry when ppl use violence against other humans or animals for the same reasons.
"Becoming a hero, or a professional and specialist of the highest class in Delta Quadra is very respectable. But what gathers even more respect is to go beyond the permissible possibilities and to become a visionary, a prophet, a psychic healer, a miracle worker, or a saint."
True. I like ordinariness of life but at this point I don't see human life just as the consecution of days without transcendence. This intrascendental way of seeing life seem to be the core of existential void and a the beginning of decadence, not few times ending in despair, cruelty or depravity.
"For Delta Quadra, especially intuitive types, it could be painful to witness the intellectual, spiritual, moral and professional superiority of others - due to which he wishes to humiliate them, the more so the more this turns into real successes and advantages for them. Envy towards the success of others - is one of the most widespread manifestations of the Delta Quadra complex of "clipped wings": the fewer personal successes, the more ambitions and the more jealousy is aimed at the successes of another (the feeling of personal loses needs to be compensated for somehow)."
yeah, I've seen this in Delta NFs. I even kinda ended up a childhood friendship due this. Somehow I felt uncomfortable for arising the secret envy or jealousy of this gf and ofc I didn't want to deal with her attempting to overcome me. Her creepiness provoked my guardness and made our friendship lose its meaning and spontaneity but somehow she was still managing to be a "friend" (funny, self sacrificial, generous, always there etc). I kinda became fearful of envy and avoided self advertising and publicity as much as possible, tendency that I keep struggling to this day. I wonder if this thing of comparing themselves or success to other ppl is something really necessary, helpful or worthy. It kinda remind me of the wage and comparison of privileges in Beta nf.
Some ppl don't get quadra complexes but glad to see that ppl with few time in this site are interested in this.
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Idk about that, I was typed LSI by Gulenko & I'm a rather sterotypicval MBTI ISTP, complete with Ti-Ni loops, as they say the type that is on the edge between sensing and intuition.Also, LSIs tend to usually give a lot about Ti principles and the intigrety of their system, often combining both for it, but how and where this happends depends a lot on other factors, LSIs usually tend to be at the head of a lot of beurocratic gouverment structures but also do very well in organized crime. Everywhere where there is a system of relations to regulate and power to achive as a collective, they tend to feel at home.
Elon Musk is LSI, Brad Pitt, Bruce Willis, Clint Eastwood, Steven Seagal, Alain Delon, Bill Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, Vladimir Putin.
I keep seeing ppl equate LSI with MBTI xSTJ-ish tendencies, but that is simply down to bad translation.
Even as LSI my base program is the defense and well being of my kith and kin. As the G. man's descriptions say: It can rightfully be called a quadra of passionaries. A passionate, according to L. Gumilev, is a person who is able to sacrifice much, even his own life, in the name of the struggle for an idea. Quadra Beta is the main supplier of selfless fighters and fanatics of all kinds.
Beta Quadra doesn't tolerate:
- confusion in the chain of command and subordinate relations;
- departures from etiquette and protocol;
- disrespect for position and rank - deliberately derogatory or humorously familiar attitudes;
- infringement on their personal rights, goals, ambitions, desecration of their honor and dignity;
- misconduct, disobedience, insubordination, disrespectful or unacceptable behavior within the hierarchy, society, system.
Beta Quadra is afraid of:
- having to part with their honor and dignity, a privileged position in society;
- being plunged into poverty, to a position without rights, being lowered in rank;
- being forced out of the privileged strata and thrown to the bottom of society;
- being demoted, deprived of rank, title, privileges and powers;
- humiliating reprisals and punishments;
- dependency on someone else's evil will;
- uncertainty concerning own social status and position, slander, libel, false accusations;
- afraid of collusions and conspiracies behind his back, of rumors, gossip, backstabbing, intrigues and betrayal;
- afraid of all that would obstruct him from surviving and restoring own social status under extreme circumstances.
e_e crawl out of the muddy ditch inch by inch relentlessly and carve your way to the top again. That is the mentality. Giving up is for the weak and betas are not weak, not even IEIs (MBTI INFJs) to the contrary of some ppl's perception.
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I see how there is variation, still i do think that for a lot of 'more basic' or average LSIs their Type shows in some way of 'militant conformism' and obedience and enforcement of the rules of the system, including social and societal norms.
But this could be a normalzing thing in general maybe, while i do think that seeking for an wholostic understanding could be a harmonizer thing too, because i do that too, also with the motive of taking care about my kin and lead them on a path of prosperity.
So maybe a more Ni focused way of trying to 'harmonize', making your in-group content.
Maybe who an LSI is loyal too depends a lot on instincts and enneagram - thank you for your input, i still have to get a clear cut understanding about the Se creatives and how their types manifest in different circumstances.
The Sexual Instinct in the Six
Symbols of Power and Connection. In the average range, Sexual Sixes develop physical strength, power,
and/or physical attractiveness to feel safe. More aggressive Sexual Sixes rely on strength and displays of
toughness that can resemble type Eight (“Don’t mess with me”), while more phobic Sexual Sixes use their sexuality
and “coquettishness” to disarm others and attract support in ways that can resemble type Four. They mask their
insecurities through open assertion and defiance of authority, or through flirtation and seduction.
Sexual Sixes are highly aware of their physical attributes—for instance, spending time in gyms—although not for
health reasons, but to enhance their strength and appeal. Sexual Sixes want to attract a powerful and capable
mate, so they frequently test the other both to see if they will stay with them, as well as to give themselves time to
assess the other person’s character and fortitude.
Sexual Sixes are more openly defiant of authority than the other Instinctual Variants of the Six, especially when
anxious. They are also the most doubting of others and of themselves. They can have explosive emotional
reactions when their own insecurities are exposed or their connections with others are threatened. When anxious,
they may assert themselves against their own supporters or third parties rather than at the true source of their
anxieties. Attempts at sabotaging others, or undermining their reputations in various ways, especially through
rumor-mongering, are typical.
I am still wondering how your LSI-ness does manifest then, propably more on a layer of behavior and the envoirment your prefer, since i can identify with most of the motivation and purpose you are stating, but not really with the Ti and Fe aspects of your prior posts. I do neither need a clear hirachy nor ti rules to follow, to me it is mostly Fi bonds that matter in this regrard.
Maybe for values and motivations it is better to look at instincts and ennatype before type and quadra, not sure yet but from the ntr factors they more often than not seem to play a bigger role than it first seems.
Where there is a system and complexity, there will be hierarchy ans so on. It seems to me that the word hierarchy has acquired negative connotations as of late, but realistically speaking it can't be escaped as it is everywhere.
Idk about values, when ppl ask about my values I have no idea what to point at specifically, I just understand how things work and how they can work better or why they are not functioning well and how to fix it.. including social systems. (Ti-Se)
initially I thought I was intuitive, because of this, but as gulenko explained, its just Ti. As I explained to Gulenko I enjoy and generally do problem-solving & figuring out how and why shit works: stereotypical ISTP.
(video contains socionics ITR between LSI & IEE as well as comparison to EIE and IEI)
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Regarding the quadral complexes themselves, I suppose I get annoyed if I or others can’t speak when we want to, but I don’t think this is at the level of a “complex”. I’m skeptical that quadral complexes are “a thing”; they seem more or less present in most people. Or perhaps their importance and effects are over-emphasized.
Beyond that, I very much appreciate pleasant food and beauty. Food quality is something I don’t often compromise. I like to participate in or observe lighthearted conversations.
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