^ So you're LIE?
^ So you're LIE?
Oh boy... I relate to this way too much... I've been told I look pretty dead when alone but light up magically when talking to people.
Hmm. Something more unusual for an SEI I guess is that I happened to wear skirts in the middle of winter numerous times before. I was very determined to prove that it's possible to ignore temperature...
Though it had to do with me being 1. young and rebellious, and 2. withdrawing into my head and "manually" forgetting physical sensations. But the moment someone did note the brisk (or even scalding) weather, then all the sensations would come back to me and I'd scorn at them (playfully) for making me pay notice. It wasn't too bad of an idea in the end because I've learned how to build psychological tolerance to the weather, though now I gladly supplement it with appropriate winter wear...
Death is the engine of Earth
Fi tends to trust more in stereotypes. It is like a fact you can attach to a person. Maybe they think it is important to act like one and Te finds comfort in it.
Ti probably tends not to trust stereotypes and Fe takes active acts against stereotypes.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
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Life is a joke but do you have a life?
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It's Henry vs Zidane, France vs Spain in the 2024 Olympic soccer final, Egypt vs Japan, Yugioh vs Pokemon, Poimandres vs Zarathustra, Giordano Bruno vs Friedrich Nietzsche, haystack picnic robed in silver rods to treasures of lore and sacred spark to unite and forge dancing stars and futures refracting crystal moonlight lures of hanger bay crunching fabrics webbing steel and blizzards juice stringing code red trains of yonder fluid ribbons trophy waterfall cake blueprints frenzy retracting haunted capital terra horns of leading edge canopy blossoms rendezvous shuffling Articuno!!
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Well, I see it as this:
gamma (democratic) = individual + stereotypes (comes off as I represent this and this),
delta (aristocratic) = group + stereotypes (comes off as being a man/woman etc),
beta (aristocratic) = group + constructs (this is why we as a group might act like this under these laws),
alpha (democratic) = individual + constructs (this is why I'm/you are like this because...)
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Winning is for losers
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In delta world following scenario exists:
LSE: "Hi there EII woman. I as a LSE gentleman offer you a seat because you are a woman and 1.4 months older than I am."
EII : "Thanks, LSE. I must accept this as a physically weaker representative of the sexes and as an older person."
Alpha scenario:
ESE: "Hi there fragile LII. You do not have clothes on. Let me clothe you because you shiver and you are naked."
LII: "Thanks. I do shiver. Good observation there and also I'm socially inappropriate according to current standards."
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
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MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
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I am not much of a drama queen and I do not have the best sense of time. I do have a good imagination, though.
While INTp is supposed to have problems with dirty things and germs, I've learned to not really care. It's not conducive to worry about something that sometimes kills you and sometimes does not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=LIE_Profile_by_Gulenko
my Si is supposed to be 2d but I feel like it's even weaker than that lol
and my Se is -10d actually
does that count
EII-Fi
2w3 sx/so
tritype: 2-6-9
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My main issue is I just don't represent the EJ temperament that much, I don't carry the rigidness or constant mobilization that one would expect from such.
I have live and let live policy.
If they ever tryna neck, I'll put my foot up in your caca
Call your mama and your papa
Like I'm finna take your dadda
Turn that bitch into a soccer ball and rocka, rocka, rocka (brrr)
Get into it like a suit
And fuck a stack up like a broker
Hehe, the factory has many stories and tapestries to its Nintendo 64, or "imaginary dimensions" as the crosshair in Your patchy the pirate spongebob oceanic overhaul.
Next we'll have Japanese sushi in flatland to try and sea if you can introduce curved space and gravity on your paper and report card!!*
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While EII-Ne is not an irrational type, we try to keep our minds open to changing situations and the strict judgments of many (not all) xe-Ejs can feel undermining at times. I only have your posts to go by, but you sound like you might have an irrational subtype, which is more sensitive to life’s ebb and flow and so is more “chill.”
I watch a ton of old television, game shows and sports - on YouTube and over the air television; I am addicted to the 1970s and 1980s. I am also really into Si: I savour every ball game, every meal, nature, even the outdoors. I can be really silly, funny, and I'm almost always laughing - almost a weird kind of funny in real life. The problem: assuming classic sports and television is 'Gamma' or 'traditionalist,' I almost always don't go well with those types - even though I love classsic tv - so I don't call myself that. Also, I can't see myself as an Si-ego, because, even though I love food, football games, etc., I am not really in touch with my senses, so I am more of a consumer than a producer of such things and I consider myself as an Si-valuing type, but not someone strong in Si. Even as someone funny - i.e, 'Fe' - I consider myself more of a consumer again - I would rather watch an outrageous comedy than create one. Even on this forum, I'm just waiting for someone to do something funny so I can have a big laugh about it. (For instance, I imagine 'Sol' as a fake account, and if that were true, how funny it would be. Or if most of the accounts here were just fake accounts. I mean it: I really need a laugh... You think I'm joking? It would be funny to me...)
EDIT: another one: people think of LIIs as thin and nasally, I'm actually quite overweight...
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I am not overly dramatic, I am not very image-focused, and I have no sense of self. Beta NFs are described as having a strong sense of self.
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Part of the reason why I have so much trouble with typing myself is because I don’t have a strong sense of self.
Te lead? Not factual enough.
Te creative? Too emotionally expressive, energetic, and task-oriented.
Fi lead? Lacks a sense of relationships. I don’t pay much attention to relationships at all, and I have always struggled with making friends.
Fi creative: I cannot see myself as Ne leading with Fi creative. I cannot see myself who uses possibilities to help relationships. I am bad at brainstorming; I prefer to settle on a conclusion or decision. SEE is more probable, but people said that I need to focus more on using relationships to achieve my goals (without seeming like I am using them). I tend to use the general chain of command, working a lot, and having high-quality of work. I do see and utilize the value of networking, though.
Si leading: No, and just no. I don’t care much about appearance (unless I have to), aesthetics, and comfort. I am a massive hypochondriac. IP temperament is also NO, as is Te or Fe PoLR.
Fe leading: EIE, a Fe-leading type, is my tentative self-typing. ExxJ temperament fits with my attitude towards tasks and leadership. I always want to achieve tasks and goals; I also like having control. I am emotionally expressive and passionate. However, I do not intentionally use emotions for any purpose, nor do I particularly care about the emotional atmosphere that much. I am not manipulative, overly dramatic, or good at reading people.
Ni leading: I daydream a lot and I lack a sense of self, but a) I don’t think that I have Fe/Te PoLR, and b) I don’t think that I have 1D Se. I have a strong sense of willpower and I seek to lead others. I have also been successful in leading others. I also do not have the best sense of time.
Se leading: I think that both Se leading types are probable. My issue with Se leading is that I see problems with Ti/Fi creative. Fe demonstrative and Te demonstrative are present to an extent. I am very task-oriented, I care quite a bit about efficiency, and I care about facts to an extent. I am not always logically consistent, but I take into account rules and “the chain of command.” I like things to be clearly defined and decided.
What do you mean by sense of self exactly?
This sounds to me like you trouble fitting yourself into this system.Te lead? Not factual enough.
Te creative? Too emotionally expressive, energetic, and task-oriented.
Fi lead? Lacks a sense of relationships. I don’t pay much attention to relationships at all, and I have always struggled with making friends.
Fi creative: I cannot see myself as Ne leading with Fi creative. I cannot see myself who uses possibilities to help relationships. I am bad at brainstorming; I prefer to settle on a conclusion or decision. SEE is more probable, but people said that I need to focus more on using relationships to achieve my goals (without seeming like I am using them). I tend to use the general chain of command, working a lot, and having high-quality of work. I do see and utilize the value of networking, though.
Si leading: No, and just no. I don’t care much about appearance (unless I have to), aesthetics, and comfort. I am a massive hypochondriac. IP temperament is also NO, as is Te or Fe PoLR.
Fe leading: EIE, a Fe-leading type, is my tentative self-typing. ExxJ temperament fits with my attitude towards tasks and leadership. I always want to achieve tasks and goals; I also like having control. I am emotionally expressive and passionate. However, I do not intentionally use emotions for any purpose, nor do I particularly care about the emotional atmosphere that much. I am not manipulative, overly dramatic, or good at reading people.
Ni leading: I daydream a lot and I lack a sense of self, but a) I don’t think that I have Fe/Te PoLR, and b) I don’t think that I have 1D Se. I have a strong sense of willpower and I seek to lead others. I have also been successful in leading others. I also do not have the best sense of time.
Se leading: I think that both Se leading types are probable. My issue with Se leading is that I see problems with Ti/Fi creative. Fe demonstrative and Te demonstrative are present to an extent. I am very task-oriented, I care quite a bit about efficiency, and I care about facts to an extent. I am not always logically consistent, but I take into account rules and “the chain of command.” I like things to be clearly defined and decided.
If I were you (and I'm not) I'd try and get typed by a professional. One thing you need to understand though is that different socionists will correlate different cognitive phenomena with different IEs and Jungian preferences. So just take the time to study their approach before paying them, ideally by speaking with people who have gotten typed themselves by the professional in question.
Also note that it's fine for your current understanding of yourself to not fit in with a personality system. Which is why I suggest a professional, because they can explain and maybe shed light on how certain aspects of your psyche connect with the theory. Connecting this oneself feel artificial sometimes, for various reasons that are too complex to get into here.
You have a list of services here.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...yping-services
I would add that Jack Oliver Aaron/WSS is a fairly classic model A adherent and excludes using temperaments and Jungian preferences: they prefer to use dimensionality theory. I don't know if Jack gives you a written report or not at the end, but I find the written reports he has posted on the WSS blogspot to be rather thorough, analyzing each IE and function in the person's psyche.
Timur's method is based on speech analysis via model A, you get a conclusion and descriptions of the type, but not a report of the individual aspects of your personality and how they relate to the type.
Gulenko/SHS is probably the most controversial school, since Gulenko uses his own model and not model A which can lead to some pretty unexpected conclusions from the perspective of model A socionics. But I like how he gives a thorough explanation of each Jungian preference (temperament and installation), your DCNH subtype, and gives advice. The only thing which I felt may have been missing was a word about one's weak functions and/or Jungian preferences.
Also note some people out there offer free remote typing services, but you kind of have to catch them if you can.
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based on what you wrote here alone i'd say that EIE definitely makes sense for you. The things that you wrote against EIE, I don't think is enough to discount that being your type. I don't think an EIE necessarily has to be dramatic or manipulative or use emotions. I also think it's possible you could be doing these things and not noticing being that Fe is your base function, just like we don't notice we're breathing yet doing it constantly.
also your enneagram and MBTI type lines up with EIE very well. I always think of EIE's as being 147 or 478 in enneagram, whereas IEEs are more like 479 or 279.
My MBTI and Enneagram typings are not certain. I could be an ENTJ EIE, for all I know. If I am an ENFP, I definitely am a high-Te ENFP.
My self-typing of 4w3 might be misinformed because I am a young person and I am struggling with some other issues. I don't really care or am motivated by image, so maybe ALL of the image types are out of the question. 3w4 might be a better fit.
Motivations: My motivations are to be as successful as possible in my chosen field, and to have a high position of authority. I care about having authority because I want to be respected, acknowledged, and loved. I also feel the need for control because I feel that I need to change things for the better, ensure that the final product is as good as possible, and to maximize the need for achievement. The reason why I feel the need to achieve things and have power is to escape my anxiety (by doing things and having control), to receive validation to compensate for my feelings of inferiority. This is why I try to pursue good grades, to go to a top law school, and to have good extracurricular achievements. I always felt like I didn't fit in, so I decided that I needed to prove myself as worthy by achieving goals. I also care about being ethical, but it is not my main motivation. I also do not relate to the constant repression of anger and reaction formation of a 1, so I don't think that I am a 1. I could be a 1w2 that is disintegrating.
Stress Reactions: I become more emotional, more withdrawn, I dissociate more into my daydreams, and I lose my motivation to do things. I may also have anger that occurs due to pent-up anger, anxiety, and depression. The main things are that I become lost in my daydreams, more anxious, and emotional.
Ranking Enneagram Triads:
Social Styles: Assertive/Aggressive > Withdrawn > Compliant
Harmonics: Reactive > not sure if I use competency or positive strategies more
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As for DCNH, I am pretty sure that I am a dominant or normalizing subtype. I don't know which, though. Leaning dominant subtype.
STEREOTYPES ARE A HORRIBLE THING MOST FREQUENTLY EXPRESSED BY MY CONFLICTOR
that sentence was a stereotyped mockery and you disgusting folks should stop embodying yourselves in pre-existing stereotypes . be stronger please.
what are ESI stereotypes these days?
gold digger: meh
moralistic: meh
hot: yes
edit: i moralized u for being stereotypes hahaha, so ya. BUT it wasn't any more intense than moralizing ur opposite quadra about stereotyping
I seriously don’t think I fit into any stereotype.
even ‘groups’ when I went into school, I never felt like I fit into any of them or could classify myself in some school stereotype way. I can relate to different aspects of all the Quadra’s tbh, and certain ones I don’t. I can say some things about myself on here and people will automatically think I’m a certain type because of stereotype, but I could also say this other thing and make them think the opposite lol. Maybe it’s one reason why I confuse people. I really don’t care to stick to one. And I don’t just feel like I’m just one. I know some people do, some people fit. But I don’t feel like i do. I could try, and have before, but it becomes a tiresome game. And it just feels all wrong.
i was pretty stereotypical as a child. i'm a lot different now. kind of like how twins go the extra mile individuating so they lose a part of themselves in the process
On top of what I said: I can have a strong understanding of Ni. Philosophical musings, subjective musings, 'deeper' forms of verbal expression are all things that I understand...
- I don’t feel the need to affect people emotionally all the time.
- I am not SUPER aware of the flow of time.
I don’t really enjoy having to take care or look after anyone else except for short periods of time, Having to do that consistently would burn me out. Plus I suck at cooking, decorating, matching shit together and taking care of
myself in general.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I find the SEI women stereotype limiting. It frustrates me that I am just basically a good house wife that eats, breathes, and sleeps Si lol and that I don't have many passionate pursuits or always want to keep the peace. That, and I am limited to my sweetness and don't seem to have my depth.
I have grit to myself and can be fearless when I need to be. I spend a lot of time thinking and I really enjoy intellectual pursuits. I couldn't have a career in art or anything creative. I can be really cold and ruthless with some of my views/feelings on certain topics that people don't realize. I am not a huge 'kid' kind of person. I've become pretty open to new things over the years (not as much as a Ne dom, but pretty open for a Si dom).
I just feel a bit pigeonholed by that stereotypes as I can heavily come across as that in real life. I just feel like its too rigid and shallow when there is a lot more depth and dimensional aspects of me. Very few people get to see the less stereotypical aspects of me in action it seems.
Does being an INFj girl who enjoys weight-lifting count?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My wife tested as INFJ, if that even means anything, and she is a good boxer and mechanically inclined. Her sense of direction is absolute shit, though along with remembering where her personal belongings are even if they are right in front of her.
As for myself, I relate to omnipolar or else I simultaneously am good at everything but also suck at everything because I really don't care.
I think whatever type I am, I am absolutely not stereotypical and thats why it's hard as hell for me to settle on a type.