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    From my experience LSI women are different from LSI men. They don't come off as the stereotypical LSI soldier/inspector like a man might. I think they downplay their Se a bit for society and offer up their Ti more often than Se. I think society will pressure them to develop their Fe and Fi more than a male LSI would. This can make typing an LSI female difficult. I think more often than not they will appear as if they are a ESI and often get typed this way superficially.

    What is your experience with LSI females, and how have they behaved?

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    Hotties. They don't seem to trust me though.

    They like Fe. That's a good way to tell them apart from ESI.

    I once made the mistake of being rude with one in a work situation. She took it coolly. Later though, she tried to tackle me as a problem (she presented it to the rest of the group). I really don't blame her.
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    I could write a book, but yes, the Females I've met really are less rigid than the LSI males that I know (and I know a bunch of both). I have no trouble telling them from ESI's. At least, I don't think I do.

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    I want to clarify that I don't think that it is actually hard to tell the difference between an LSI and an ESI female. But I think people could make the mistake of thinking an LSI is an ESI if they are female because they will be more likely to have a softer touch than a male LSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    From my experience LSI women are different from LSI men. They don't come off as the stereotypical LSI soldier/inspector like a man might.
    Are you sure?




    LSI females like LSI males are precise in their speech and logic(4DTi-Si,3D-Se). I have met with LSI-Ti males but never met a single Ti subtype female. Like LSI-Se males, LSI-Se females are more talkative compared to LSI-Ti males. Hence, I am not sure, if LSI females more prone to be Se subtype because of their gender or they seem to be Se-subtype because society demands females to be more F. LSI females like LSI-Se males are better at small talk however, they are still not good enough compared to F types. I don't think LSI females downplay their Se. They are diligent and practical, they generally do what is necessary to accomplish their goals. They are generally active, do different kinds of sports. They are good at getting what they want or make people do something by pushing things or making short term plans or sometimes with manipulation (Se-creative Ni-HA).


    LSI females are able to show their interest in others, they wont ask for a date but they can start a conversation or directing their focus to someone in order to show their interest in a group setting. My friendships with LSI females started with their chase. However, if they like someone and try to increase momentum but nothing changes, they might stop or think that is unworthy. They generally try to form groups, get people together like males of this type.

    LSI-Se female may say that person is good or bad, but when you see how they evaluate things you can see they are using their Ti-base/Fi-role. I don't think LSIs are similar to ESIs, never made that mistake in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    What is your experience with LSI females, and how have they behaved?
    My latest experience with an LSI female:

    My IEI hairdresser had a heart attack and he either can't or doesn't want to work anymore, so I asked him for a recommendation, and he gave me the name of his #1 employee when he still had a hair salon.

    I went to her new place masked and met her, also masked. Her place was hard to find but very tasteful.
    "That's a really nice jacket you have," she said.
    "Thanks. I was in the store and put it on and I thought it fit."
    It's something that an ESE would wear. I know, because I know an ESE with a similar looking one.

    She was super talkative but I could tell she was an introvert, but I couldn't tell which one just from her eyes.
    She was chatting away like crazy and I told her that I bet that she doesn't do that at home. She looked at me and said, "Oh, my, no, when I get home I just sit down with a good book. People here (her salon customers) can't believe I'm an introvert, but I am. I don't have any friends, either. I avoid people outside work. Except I have one gay male friend, who is a dear. Because he's safe, you know. I've never been married."
    (She was mid-forties.)
    "That sounds like my ex-wife. She was friendly enough, but she avoided people outside work. What about your family?"
    "My family is really fucked up. I'm adopted, and my adopting parents fought all the time. They had three kids and adopted four more, and I wish I'd never been adopted by them."
    "Really? That's surprising. Why?"
    "They took me in when I was nine, and my "brother" raped me every day until I was 15 and I was able to leave home. So yes, I avoid people."
    "That's a shame. I can see why you keep people at a distance."
    "Yes. Ha ha. But I'm excellent at cutting hair. My friend says that I cut every. single. hair. I don't miss a single one." She smiled.
    "I don't know why I'm telling you all this. I normally don't talk this much with my customers."
    "It's because I'm a nice guy."
    "Ha! You are. I can tell. I have a sixth sense about that."

    And she finished my haircut and I stood up and backed away to six feet. "Do you mind if I take a look at your face?"

    "No, not at all" and she whipped off her mask, and she was LSI.

    "Got it. Thanks. What do I owe you? I'll be coming back regularly, so consider that." And I smiled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Are you sure?




    LSI females like LSI males are precise in their speech and logic(4DTi-Si,3D-Se). I have met with LSI-Ti males but never met a single Ti subtype female. Like LSI-Se males, LSI-Se females are more talkative compared to LSI-Ti males. Hence, I am not sure, if LSI females more prone to be Se subtype because of their gender or they seem to be Se-subtype because society demands females to be more F. LSI females like LSI-Se males are better at small talk however, they are still not good enough compared to F types. I don't think LSI females downplay their Se. They are diligent and practical, they generally do what is necessary to accomplish their goals. They are generally active, do different kinds of sports. They are good at getting what they want or make people do something by pushing things or making short term plans or sometimes with manipulation (Se-creative Ni-HA).


    LSI females are able to show their interest in others, they wont ask for a date but they can start a conversation or directing their focus to someone in order to show their interest in a group setting. My friendships with LSI females started with their chase. However, if they like someone and try to increase momentum but nothing changes, they might stop or think that is unworthy. They generally try to form groups, get people together like males of this type.

    LSI-Se female may say that person is good or bad, but when you see how they evaluate things you can see they are using their Ti-base/Fi-role. I don't think LSIs are similar to ESIs, never made that mistake in real life.
    I'm sorry to disagree with Ciara but yes I am sure.

    I do not agree that women are more prone to having the Se subtype that seems to be a conclusion that you have come to based on your experience. I also do not think that subtype will affect the social skills or proclivities of an LSI regardless of gender.

    Women and Men will use Se differently. Se descriptions lean toward male behaviors and lead people astray.

    Also Fi is not just statements of "that person is good or bad" even though those could be Fi related statements. And LSI and ESI will make personal judgments whether or not they are ethical in nature.

    I did expect the LSI/ESI to be the most controversial statement in the thread and I regret that it has completely derailed it. I just threw out a type that someone would foolishly think instead of the actual type as I did say originally if you go back and look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    I do not agree that women are more prone to having the Se subtype that seems to be a conclusion that you have come to based on your experience. I also do not think that subtype will affect the social skills or proclivities of an LSI regardless of gender.
    Subtype affects the strength of IEs. If you think LSI females have stronger Fi-Fe and if you think this improves their social skills, one can say that may be result of a subtype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Subtype affects the strength of IEs. If you think LSI females have stronger Fi-Fe and if you think this improves their social skills, one can say that may be result of a subtype.
    I didn't mean that the strength of ethical IMs were higher in females, I don't think that subtype will affect the strength of the information elements either. If subtype affected information metabolism then the subtypes would have to be considered separate types and there would be 32 types not 16.

    I think that subtypes and gender can affect what is seen in behavior, but not changing the information metabolism of the type. For example an ILI could try very hard to be better at expressing themselves and could appear to be more expressive than a typical ILI but this would not change the dimensionality of their Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    I didn't mean that the strength of ethical IMs were higher in females, I don't think that subtype will affect the strength of the information elements either. If subtype affected information metabolism then the subtypes would have to be considered separate types and there would be 32 types not 16.

    I think that subtypes and gender can affect what is seen in behavior, but not changing the information metabolism of the type. For example an ILI could try very hard to be better at expressing themselves and could appear to be more expressive than a typical ILI but this would not change the dimensionality of their Fe.
    Yes, subtype doesnt change dimmensions of IEs. How are you able to distunguish development levels of Fe-Fi of LSI females from development levels of Fe-Fi of LSI-Se males? In other words, how LSI-Se subtype who is trying to be better Fe-Fi is different than LSI femal who is trying to better at Fi-Fe because of societal rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Yes, subtype doesnt change dimmensions of IEs. How are you able to distunguish development levels of Fe-Fi of LSI females from development levels of Fe-Fi of LSI-Se males? In other words, how LSI-Se subtype who is trying to be better Fe-Fi is different than LSI femal who is trying to better at Fi-Fe because of societal rules?
    I do not think that it is developed more or less depending on gender. What I'm pointing out is that it is more visible if females rather than males. I dont think that competency in what could be considered an information element like Fe or Fi will affect dimensionality the types of built on the concept of dimensions. What is development beyond that? That they can smile and act the part of a female does not affect the level or comfort with the information element. There is no distinction beyond what you can see in behavior, which can be changed but doesn't change the persons information metabolism. If it did change would change the type of the person.

    The subtypes attempt to explain why types act or look different from a typical type. The idea of development is not something that is built in to Socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    I do not think that it is developed more or less depending on gender. What I'm pointing out is that it is more visible if females rather than males. I dont think that competency in what could be considered an information element like Fe or Fi will affect dimensionality the types of built on the concept of dimensions. What is development beyond that? .
    I think females develop social awareness earlier on in life compared to those of males

    Women are better in social interactions because they train more at it, from the second they get tits, and even before that, they’re forced to learn to read people’s intentions, motives, behaviors, etc. Men, especially these days with the Internet for communication and gaming/youtube/etc to replace face to face social interaction, tend not to develop much of this. It’s not that they’re incapable, they just aren’t in social situations as much.

    A really hot girl gets hit on in subtle ways by practically every guy in her vicinity, even just going to the grocery store, whether it’s a blatant “hey baby” or as subtle as a cashier being extra friendly or men losing track of their conversation as she walks by or a dude walking down an aisle at the grocery store just to look at her and hope she strikes up a convo with him.

    But it’s learned over time. Girls generally have a head start but if dudes go out and expose themselves to tons of social interactions, males can develop the same sense they have.
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    This is what the big G. wrote to me: Judging by his facial expressions, his smile is more like a role smile, i.e. consciously represented. Perhaps, he is learning some communication techniques on purpose. Emotions rarely capture him to such an extent that he loses self-control.

    I'm friendly and likable, its reasonable to assume female LSIs would have even more learned Fe.. so they might be even more expressive?

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    I've met 2 of them. One in ms the other at university. The one from MS was likely Ti subtype and the other one is Se. They both pay much more attention to their social circles and classmates than I do.The first one was very competitive about notes (which I didnt give af) along with my LII friend (who supposedly didnt care about notes for social purposes but just wanted to keep an standard for herself). They were just nerds in other words. This ms LSI nerd was always smiling and learnt disney songs to be accepted by other nerds. It was cringey. Her mom forced her to hang out with nerds and be one of them. She was easily influenced and was always trying to immitate ppl around her (especially those who she felt like competing with). She even called my LII friend to ask what she would wear that day and else.

    The girl at uni was not a nerd but she was instead one of those ppl with very unoriginal life and tastes. She enjoys Fe environments (like clubs and family and friends gatherings) hang out with Fe girls and pay a lot of attention to social circles, the lastname of ppl, groups of friends etc She's always posting pics of her family and relatives. She was not a good student (just like me). On the graduation party however she wore a red dress and was like in the middle of the group pictures extending her hand up with a glass of champagne and else.
    They are not very different from the male LSIs I've met. Just that as with most T types, ppl expect women to be more smiley, expressive, talkative and pleasing while men can be as they are. The Se subtype was kinda masculine but since she was kinda social wasnt find weird at all.
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    With mirror relations, it works really well if both have the same goals. Male or female LSIs, they’re very strict and exacting with everyone. I don’t think the females are much different from the males when it comes to cognition. What they may not like is my flexible usage of Ti because I use Ti to get myself out of trouble that Se brought on in the first place. So to LSI, they think I’m wasteful and crazy but they also like my “pushy” and “confrontational” nature. They don’t mind that I’m a thrill seeker, because they also seek thrills or at least they’re easily talked into doing risky things, they just don’t want to admit it. I respect that they enforce rules on others, since Ti is their domain, but I am better at the Se stuff, which they let me reign supreme.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I could write a book, but yes, the Females I've met really are less rigid than the LSI males that I know (and I know a bunch of both). I have no trouble telling them from ESI's. At least, I don't think I do.
    Less rigid even than the LSI-Se males?

    For the last part: bc they are colder and more detached on their own than ESIs yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    I want to clarify that I don't think that it is actually hard to tell the difference between an LSI and an ESI female. But I think people could make the mistake of thinking an LSI is an ESI if they are female because they will be more likely to have a softer touch than a male LSI.
    tbh the softer touch for an LSI female will just be some social mask. At home, the iron rod comes out supposedly : P


    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    LSI females like LSI males are precise in their speech and logic(4DTi-Si,3D-Se). I have met with LSI-Ti males but never met a single Ti subtype female
    I have seen LSI-Ti females just fine. When they aren't trying to socialise too much then they are really obviously inflexible and unemotional & cold (for a woman). Or they can be seemingly worrywarts, the Se subs don't seem to be worrywarts

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    This is one of my female LSI friends. Don’t let the looks fool you. She throws the hammer at everyone and puts people in their place. Her EIE roommate (my friend that I met her through) was deathly afraid of her cuz she used to yell at the EIE for being disorderly LOL I didn’t help because I agreed with the LSI and even told the EIE to apologize to the LSI for being messy. Ironically, with LSIs, they let me get away with things they’d never let anyone else get away with, probably because I don’t break explicit rules.



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    I had an LSI female friend during college. Her energy is contained and she looks serene, upon first impression you wouldn't really see the Se. She doesn't look like an "inspector/sergeant" or whatever kind of alpha female. (I only normally see alpha behavior on SLEs because of 4D Se, and LSEs but in a different way). The Fe seeking is obvious. LSIs like being in a group where there are a lot of fun, joking, hugging. You can talk to them in a heart to heart manner, but you'll just be disappointed. They would prefer partying with a bunch of people instead of building a tight group they can rely on. She always talk about reserving a time for adventure every week - she joins whichever group is doing some random physical activity like hiking, swimming, etc. She doesn't want to stay in the house for too long. Very outdoorsy person. Loves and good at sports. Loves card games too. She enjoys being in cliques like a normal Beta type.

    For some reason I notice that she succumbs to peer pressure a lot. I guess this is normal for Fe seeking types. She's the type of person who would hate where she is but would stay for the friends. They always go with the flow specially if things are fun and light.

    Fe egos like her a lot and think she makes sense and is practical. Typical duality in action. The Fe egos are too emotional and swept with their drama, and she'll be the one to put reason on them so they calm down easily. Overall she comes off as a no-nonsense kind of person who has an adventurous and fun streak.

    We were majoring in mathematics back then. She doesn't like geometry and other abstract mathematics. She loves more concrete mathematics like probability and statistics. Not the academic kind. Logic is used in practical means all the time. I never heard her talk about far-fetched ideas, she always talks about what is already existing.

    What I also notice about her is her 4D Si. She always likes to be clean and have tidy surroundings. Low-key sensitive to clutter. She eats healthy food all the time, she sleeps on time, overall she's so good at taking care of herself.

    She looks tomboyish. Wears clean but monotonous clothes (Shirt, pants, rubber shoes). Very simple in appearance. Doesn't wear colorful clothing.

    If you are an intuitive type, Ne polr will be so obvious to you. The major pitfall for LSI is their inability to test their ideas on multiple frames and contexts. She is also terrible at predicting outcomes which I think is because of her low Ni. We were terrible students, so before exams we would always calculate the minimum score we need to pass the subject. I always had to help her with this, because if I don't she would always just assume the worst for the scores she doesn't know. For the future exams and the exams she hasn't gotten the score yet, she would just mark them 0-5% or something. I would notice that she would be down and would start thinking about sleeping everything off or hang out instead because passing the subject is impossible anyway (she said she'll need more than 100% to pass). So I'll check her estimate... it would be so off so I would have to ask her about details so we can get the correct estimate. She cannot assess if something is a) most likely to happen b) likely to happen c) unlikely d) impossible. It's like her head would just assume random things and blow it out of proportion. And since she has Ni HA she would feel that her assessments (that are mostly negative) are accurate which makes her Ni even more catastrophic compared to SxE's. She does this not only to her scores but to her whole life as well. I think because of my stronger Ni she would always ask me to give advice specially on decisions that rely on abstraction and prediction. I would be the one to explain to her why decision A would be the best outcome. (I notice that while she learns Ni from me, in turn I try to copy her Si). I also supply her Ne which is the cause of her black and white thinking.

    If you ask her what her plan in life is, she will just laugh and tell you "Nothing, I do want to try (insert outdoors activity here like hiking) sometime." But at the same time you know that she really likes to be guided. When I was hanging out with her often, she would listen to my advice, but my Fe is not enough of course. That's the reason why we slowly parted ways actually. Man I really think duality is real and if you are an LSI you REALLY need an EIE. I guess this is just my opinion but LSIs are so vulnerable to Fe so ESEs would be the cause of their ruin. Last time I talked to her she started hanging out with a couple of Alpha people (mostly SEI and ESE), she got into some hedonistic alpha state. Not sure if she was happy, but she did mention that she was starting to feel lost in life. Never heard of her since then though, it's been a couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    From my experience LSI women are different from LSI men.
    A difference of a behavior between people of different sexes is from cultural norms and sexes' biology, but not from types. If your experience regularly controverts to basic types theory beyond the said factors - most possibly it's mistyping, what is not rarely.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    LSI women are as regimented in thought as are men. Social expectations and or motherhood mutes the public erections but behind the scenes, where LSIs work their magic best, there's no cognitive difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    the first one was very competitive about notes (
    Cracks me up. My notes were and still are undecipherable. I just consider that it is good to practice writing notes times. Not for the reason I'll never find those but it is funny how some random twists in your body can bring out memories.

    (But yeah, good way to learn math but if need you need to clarify it just write it in code language like LaTeX on a computer. I'm weird. A trick I learned from ILI.)
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    LSI-Se really aren't rigid, although they can be single-minded.

    As for my experience with them, they're pretty smart and alternate between being critical and super-gentle; they're beautiful. As for just two of many... My current dental hygienist is one, an LSI-Se nurse in my old neighborhood was one, she's helped me out with psychological problems I've been having, she's super-responsive although she lost her temper when I was young (I seem to remember a friend of one of her son's said I could have a vid game he had loaned to the LSI-Se nurse's son and so I came to her house to try to retrieve it and she exploded, she was quite resolute). They're impulsive, verbose like me (much more wordy than SLE-Ti), and they generally like everything in their desired order. They're convinced that they're right. They tend to slam things. They're devout christians. They have a high tendency toward having apple-shaped figures.

    I've communicated and spent more time with LSI-Se women than with ESI-Se women, in fact I've never communicated in person with a female I knew to be ESI-Se.

    They seem sympathetic, they seem oriented to people.

    Haven't known any LSI-Ti of either gender, but Hillary Clinton was one.

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    LSI-Se (C,H) are more relaxed compared to LSI-Ti (D,N) but LSI is still LSI. They’re rigid with their thinking and basically no one is successful at convincing them of anything that they don’t already agree with. Maybe their duals, but that’s very specific because not every dual is gonna fit the bill.

    My dad is LSI-N (LSI-Ti) and he’s not someone to fuck with. He’s hardcore rigid and he likes lightly joking around (Fe seeking) but he’s argued with many of his bosses for being wrong and sloppy. He’s super critical about... everything and if something doesn’t fit exactly like how he’s rationalized it out to be, he’s basically gonna kick your ass because then he believes you’re trying to trick him. He’s super suspicious and don’t trust anyone, not even me. He loves me but I know he don’t trust me. He trusts my mom with money matters, but he has “raging hatred” towards her which is basically the LSI way of deeply loving someone by saying they cannot get rid of the person no matter how hard they try. He cannot be convinced of anything although he can acquiesce to me due to his emotions that I’m his child. It’s beyond love and duty, it’s something deeper that I can’t really describe. But basically, LSI is hardass exterior but deep down they’re like bubbling with explosive emotions.
    Last edited by Kiana; 12-20-2020 at 03:54 AM.

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